Sounds like Hacket's genius was on full display

[SWC75]

Come on, we all know that those MAC and WAC schools that put up 40 points a game have rosters loaded with Broylds.

Right?

OrangePA answered that last year: We can't have passing attacks like they have in the west because there isn't the talent in the east to have that kind of attack.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I was kinda disappointed to see some of the formations we did yesterday. I mean seriously do we really need to have a fullback out there as often as we do? Do we really think it scares teams when in obvious passing situations we go shotgun and spread a FB out wide vs having another WR in? Do we need to use as many two TEs set as we do? We can choose 5 skill postions players to put into a game at a time. We should be putting our best possible 5 guys out there. Is our 2nd TE and/or FB in our top 5? We have a ton of RBs and WRs yet we only play 3 at a time. We have little depth at TE and FB yet we usually play two at a time. That to me defies logic.

Ugh you just reminded me of the most frustrating aspect of Marrone's offense. Whenever we finally go 4 wide why in the hell are two of them a RB and a TE. We never actually put 4 WR out there it always has to be a FB, TE or even a RB I dont get it. Dont even bring up 5 wide, I dont think that package exists in this offense.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Ugh you just reminded me of the most frustrating aspect of Marrone's offense. Whenever we finally go 4 wide why in the hell are two of them a RB and a TE. We never actually put 4 WR out there it always has to be a FB, TE or even a RB I dont get it. Dont even bring up 5 wide, I dont think that package exists in this offense.

If you run 4 WR's into the huddle, the defense counters with 6 DB's.

If the DC sees 2 WR's a TE and a RB in the huddle, maybe they only use a standard 4-3 package. When you line up 4 wide, there's the possibility of a mismatch.

Or maybe, we just use our 4 best athletes. Can't really take Provo off the field.

 

[SmilinBob]

As I wrote in another thread I rally don't consider Stevens a tight end. Still I get the point though and agree. The full back is used to block, tight ends are going out for passes so the FB picks up the first guy through...I have no problem with that.

As for the young Hackett. I'm yes and no on the guy right now. If we have a better offense it would give him a little more leeway to make a mistake on a call or two but since this offense doesn't have that type of consistency, a bad call/bad execution or whatever shows up more. My thinking is he needs to improve his game time breakdowns and see what the defense is doing and find ways to exploit that. Sometimes that might might be more of getting a rock to bleed there are calls I'd like to see him make that he doesn't but I'm not there and sometimes there are things going on that we don't know about that they can't use right then but...I need to see improvement and again the key is the o-line. I loved the tackling yesterday, did not like the blocking.

 

[JeremyCuse]

If you run 4 WR's into the huddle, the defense counters with 6 DB's.

If the DC sees 2 WR's a TE and a RB in the huddle, maybe they only use a standard 4-3 package. When you line up 4 wide, there's the possibility of a mismatch.

Or maybe, we just use our 4 best athletes. Can't really take Provo off the field.

Not saying we need to always have 4 WR out there (trust me with this offense we rarely do) but when its third and 15 we need to have 4 WR's out there not Jerome Smith and Beckett Wales. I would much rather see Broyld, Sales, Lemon, Flemming/Cornelius/Hale.

 

[kingottoiii]

If you run 4 WR's into the huddle, the defense counters with 6 DB's.

If the DC sees 2 WR's a TE and a RB in the huddle, maybe they only use a standard 4-3 package. When you line up 4 wide, there's the possibility of a mismatch.

Or maybe, we just use our 4 best athletes. Can't really take Provo off the field.

See I think that is an NFL mentality and part of our issues. In the NFL a RB or TE split wide can cause a mismatch. Where as having a 3rd or 4th WR going against a 3rd or 4th DB is a wash. However when your TE is Stevens or your RB is Smith or your FB is a walkon, then IMO you are making things easier for the D not harder. And when you have a 3rd or 4th WR going against a 3rd or 4th DB, chances are that 3rd or 4th DB is either a big drop off in ability or young and raw. IMO there is a greater chance of a break down going against bench players, then there is by going against starters. IMO more often than not a 3rd DB on an NFL team is a good player while a 3rd DB on a college team is a 3rd DB because he is not good enough to start. So IMO the greater chance for a mismatch is getting the less talented 3rd DB in there vs trying to cause a mismatch with your less talented TE/RB going against their talented starting LB/S.

IMO Marrone's thinking would work well in the NFL or SEC, but in the BE it is simply over thinking things.

 

[Scooch]

If you run 4 WR's into the huddle, the defense counters with 6 DB's.

If the DC sees 2 WR's a TE and a RB in the huddle, maybe they only use a standard 4-3 package. When you line up 4 wide, there's the possibility of a mismatch.

Or maybe, we just use our 4 best athletes. Can't really take Provo off the field.

Yeah, this is called "over thinking" and I suspect that's precisely what Marrone is doing.

Just get the kids who have the most athleticism and the best chance of making plays on the field as often as humanly possible. I mean would it be bad for our 3rd or 4th wideout to be playing against a backup DB?

 

[SmilinBob]

A lot of this depends on who you are playing and how they defend the 4 receivers. You send 4 receivers out and have a full back block with the front 5. Some teams blitz 5/6. We struggled with that. Now you need a dump guy or tall guy to get the ball to quick. Stevens is the tall guy and Smith is the dump. Of course the FB could be that guy but that could swing in many ways and tough to depend on. This is to me why you don't see 4 wr's. Now, if Nassib can take off more that also helps.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'd like to add the WV game for an example...the hillbillies don't know what a tight end is so that killed them. Other teams took the te away.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Just get the kids who have the most athleticism and the best chance of making plays on the field as often as humanly possible.

In other words ... 2 WR's a RB, and a TE.

 

[kingottoiii]

In other words ... 2 WR's a RB, and a TE.

IMO our best 5 skill guys are

Sales, Lemon, Broyld, PTG, and Wales.

How often will we see these 5 on the field at the same time?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

IMO our best 5 skill guys are

Sales, Lemon, Broyld, PTG, and Wales.

How often will we see these 5 on the field at the same time?

Unless it's a running play ... then I'd prefer Smith.

 

[echosofmanley]

I know it goes against the HC and staff's plan, but we seem best suited to just pound the ball forward.
We need to run the clock and hope for the best.

 

[Czar]

I know it goes against the HC and staff's plan, but we seem best suited to just pound the ball forward.
We need to run the clock and hope for the best.

With our O-Line? lol okay dude, hey give me what you're smoking.

 

[bnoro]

It's funny that so many criticize Hackett in this post when he wasn't calling the plays. Half of what you saw wasn't even in our playbook. So don't get all bent out of shape, it was some coaches and players having some fun.

 

[SmilinBob]

I was talking about the past few years not yesterday but I can't speak for the others.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Kobena looked very explosive yesterday. Kobena appeared to be open at least two or three times but QB missed him. For the first time since Marrone got here there are people who can make plays at WR. Lemon, Sales, Broyld and Kobena need to get the ball. If having Cleveland on the field over one of those four than Cuse has a real problem. Three offensive lineman were out yesterday and others were in the wrong spots, but they looked confused and overwhelmed. It might be more productive to get the ball to the play makers quickly, instead of pounding into the middle for two yards.

 

[orange126]

Reading way too much into a split squad "game". There will be plenty of opportunity to express our disgust during the season.

 

[PhatOrange]

First job?

Check the Resume. The guy was bred to be a coach for gosh sakes. I suspect he knows more about football than all the coaches you can't name.

You may have liked White and Browning - I did too - but their experience didn't help them much here. Hackett with his supposed lack of experience has won 13 games and a bowl game in two years.

So, I'll take his experience level over White and Browning for now.

And if we get him more and more guys like Ashton Broyld Coach Hackett will become a better and better coach.

Oh, and one question. How the heck do you know what kind of recruiter Hackett is? Do you sit in on meetings or home visits or do you attend coaches clinics or listen to phone calls?

My goodness.

I'm well aware of Hackett's resume or else I wouldn't make such a statement. And just because the guy was 'bred' to be a coach doesn't make him good. I also doubt he knows anymore about football than any other Coordinator or proven QB coach.

Here's his resume: We are basically his firt gig and he's doing the two most important things - OC/QB

2011-Present Offensive Coordinator/QB/TE - Syracuse
2010 Quarterbacks - Syracuse

2008-09 Offensive Quality Control Coach - Buffalo Bills
2006-07 Offensive Quality Control Coach - Tampa Bay

2005 Recruiting Coordinator/Specialist - Stanford
2004 Offensive/Defensive Coordinator ASSISTANT - Stanford
2003 Offensive ASSISTANT - Stanford
Spring 2003 ASSISTANT LB Coach - Cal Davis

In my opinion that resume does not qualify you to be the Offensive Coordinator for a BCS program. Those assistant positions are volunteer and the Offensive QA jobs don't mean didly to being an O-Coordinator. The guy hasn't even Coordinated a D3 offense before and while I COMPLETELY agree that execution is a HUGE problem with our offense that doesn't excuse the person who's running it.

If you get any coach more Ashton Broyld's they'll look like a genius. I'm more impressed when a coach is able to move the football and score points without needing these types of players. Teams like Toledo don't have any Ashton Broyld's but they run systems that are more cohesive which the players CAN execute.

And to your last question OP, the only thing I need to know if Hackett can recruit or not are the results. Period. I don't care how great he is sitting on a living room couch, or how personable he is on the phone. The results speak for themselves, he gets a big fat zero.

 

[SWC75]

I will go to my grave thinking that the best football line-up is a fullback for inside running and blocking, a halfback for outside running and pass catching, a tight end for possession receiving and blocking two wide-outs, at elast one of whom is a ddep threat.

Smith, Gulley, Wales/Stevens, Lemon and Sales/Kobena

 

[PhatOrange]

It's funny that so many criticize Hackett in this post when he wasn't calling the plays. Half of what you saw wasn't even in our playbook. So don't get all bent out of shape, it was some coaches and players having some fun.

I'm not talking about yesterday either, I'm referring to the last few years. You can see from yesterday though that the design hasn't changed, tweaks are just that, tweaks.

Play calling and offensive scheme are a problem and realistically Hackett is only Coordinating what is likely Marrone's design so they both should share the blame but Hackett does call the play during the season and last year he stunk.

 

[richmondcuse03]

It's funny that so many criticize Hackett in this post when he wasn't calling the plays. Half of what you saw wasn't even in our playbook. So don't get all bent out of shape, it was some coaches and players having some fun.

agreed. reading into a spring game normally is useless, but even more so when the coach has already made a point of keeping things fairly tight lipped.

 

[echosofmanley]

With our O-Line? lol okay dude, hey give me what you're smoking.

? Is the Oline light and athletic? Pass protection could be awful. They seem built more for straight forward.

Do you post on syracuse.com? Lots of simpleton bluster over there.

 

[orangenirvana]

Okay, so now you say that there is no way to determine if any improvement has been made - that we have to wait until September. Fair enough.

But you ruin the comment by complaining about the amount of points scored yesterday.

It was a scrimmage - repeat that to yourself three times.

You have no idea what they were actually trying to do.

It was a split team.

There was no scheming going on.

It was a scrimmage for gosh sakes.

We will see. I certainly hope you're right but we've seen this movie before.

 

[OrangePA]

We will see. I certainly hope you're right but we've seen this movie before.

I'm not sure I have seen this movie before except maybe back in the early 1980s when Coach Mac was developing the program.

Recall that in 1986 there was the "Sack Mac Pack."

And then 1987 happened pretty much under all of our noses.

I see a program that is developing - that has brought in more and more athletes. I don't think we saw that under Robinson.