St. John's fires Mike Anderson / hires Rick Pitino

[SJUBall]

No. It’s not possible.

Yes it is possible. Pitino did NOT kick Slazinski to the curb. Not in the least. Pitino absolutely wanted him to stay and share minutes with Ledlum who would certainly have the starter’s edge on the roster. Slazinski wants to be a starter and made the choice to leave, which Rick helped him do. It’s no coincidence he signed with WVU so shortly after Ledlum committing. Ledlum was willing to come over as an NIL walk-on. Just to clarify.

No Pitino did not run Slazinski off and Pitino wanted him to stay. Don’t forget Quinn only played 7 games last year and missed the rest after a major foot injury. SJU needed another quality PF or C regardless. Slazinski likely would still have gotten double digit minutes at PF spot had he stayed.

 

[HoustonCuse]

To a certain degree it doesn’t really matter. These players want to be treated and compensated as pros. You gotta take the good with the bad. It’s just a business decision to make a roster move like this for the GM.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yes it is possible. Pitino did NOT kick Slazinski to the curb. Not in the least. Pitino absolutely wanted him to stay and share minutes with Ledlum who would certainly have the starter’s edge on the roster. Slazinski wants to be a starter and made the choice to leave, which Rick helped him do. It’s no coincidence he signed with WVU so shortly after Ledlum committing. Ledlum was willing to come over as an NIL walk-on. Just to clarify.

No Pitino did not run Slazinski off and Pitino wanted him to stay. Don’t forget Quinn only played 7 games last year and missed the rest after a major foot injury. SJU needed another quality PF or C regardless. Slazinski likely would still have gotten double digit minutes at PF spot had he stayed.

Lol. I fondly remember these types of posts from the UK fans after they hired Cal.

You guys got a rental of success for your program. Enjoy it but there is a reality with a guy like Rick. Sugar coating or explaining things away is just part of the stages of acceptance.

 

[orangefog]

Yes it is possible. Pitino did NOT kick Slazinski to the curb. Not in the least. Pitino absolutely wanted him to stay and share minutes with Ledlum who would certainly have the starter’s edge on the roster. Slazinski wants to be a starter and made the choice to leave, which Rick helped him do. It’s no coincidence he signed with WVU so shortly after Ledlum committing. Ledlum was willing to come over as an NIL walk-on. Just to clarify.

No Pitino did not run Slazinski off and Pitino wanted him to stay. Don’t forget Quinn only played 7 games last year and missed the rest after a major foot injury. SJU needed another quality PF or C regardless. Slazinski likely would still have gotten double digit minutes at PF spot had he stayed.

Did Slazinski transfer to St. John's to share minutes? Obviously his role changed with the commitment of another player. So, did he get told that he needed to leave, apparently not, but still a bit shady by Pitino. I don't even blame him. His job is to build the roster with talent as quickly as possible. But, let's not pretend that Pitino didn't screw this kid a bit.

 

[miamicuse]

Did Slazinski transfer to St. John's to share minutes? Obviously his role changed with the commitment of another player. So, did he get told that he needed to leave, apparently not, but still a bit shady by Pitino. I don't even blame him. His job is to build the roster with talent as quickly as possible. But, let's not pretend that Pitino didn't screw this kid a bit.

College basketball recruiting has completely changed with NIL and the transfer portal. Basically every year a coach has to re-recruit his entire roster all over again, to keep those you want to stay from transferring, and to recruit from HS and the portal to fill out your roster. Often times it's a moving situation not knowing who will transfer out, who will test NBA, who will stay, who will come, and these are often intertwined, and decisions delayed until the last moment possible. With NIL, scholarship spot availability is no longer a show stopper if you can find NIL deals to cover that.

All of that means it should be clear by now, to both the coaches and the players, that everything is in play during the off season, constant moving parts, if the school gets another player that shares your position, then it will affect your minutes. If Pitino told the kid they are done recruiting for that position and this happens, probably not a good look, if both sides know going in that this could happen, then that's just how things work now.

We also don't know what conversations happened before JG3 and Symir transferred. Probably told they are moving in a different direction and let them decide to transfer as soon as possible. I have to think despite the nice farewell messaging from them there has to leave a bit of a sour taste.

Look at Quadir Copland, you don't think with the anticipation of JG3 graduating, Mintz heading to the NBA, that he would be in a good position for major minutes next season? But with JJ, Westry, Cuffe coming, and Mintz returning, you don't think that was a big surprise to him? Good thing that Copland is a team player and opted to stay.

This is just how collage basketball is now. The only thing that matters is what was said between Pitino and this kid when he decided to follow him to SJ. Did Pitino promised that he will start or did Pitino say he will always look to build a better team.

I will say that every time a kid transfers out of a program, with the exception of getting way more NIL money elsewhere (like Jesse), the kid probably felt they got screwed (promises not kept, opportunities not given, treated unfairly) to some degree.

 

[baggerbob]

College basketball recruiting has completely changed with NIL and the transfer portal. Basically every year a coach has to re-recruit his entire roster all over again, to keep those you want to stay from transferring, and to recruit from HS and the portal to fill out your roster. Often times it's a moving situation not knowing who will transfer out, who will test NBA, who will stay, who will come, and these are often intertwined, and decisions delayed until the last moment possible. With NIL, scholarship spot availability is no longer a show stopper if you can find NIL deals to cover that.

All of that means it should be clear by now, to both the coaches and the players, that everything is in play during the off season, constant moving parts, if the school gets another player that shares your position, then it will affect your minutes. If Pitino told the kid they are done recruiting for that position and this happens, probably not a good look, if both sides know going in that this could happen, then that's just how things work now.

We also don't know what conversations happened before JG3 and Symir transferred. Probably told they are moving in a different direction and let them decide to transfer as soon as possible. I have to think despite the nice farewell messaging from them there has to leave a bit of a sour taste.

Look at Quadir Copland, you don't think with the anticipation of JG3 graduating, Mintz heading to the NBA, that he would be in a good position for major minutes next season? But with JJ, Westry, Cuffe coming, and Mintz returning, you don't think that was a big surprise to him? Good thing that Copland is a team player and opted to stay.

This is just how collage basketball is now. The only thing that matters is what was said between Pitino and this kid when he decided to follow him to SJ. Did Pitino promised that he will start or did Pitino say he will always look to build a better team.

I will say that every time a kid transfers out of a program, with the exception of getting way more NIL money elsewhere (like Jesse), the kid probably felt they got screwed (promises not kept, opportunities not given, treated unfairly) to some degree.

That's why Red's system if he plays fast, and pressures on defense should help.
Playing a lot of players keeps players fresh, and more efficient on offense and defense.
It always helps keeping and recruiting players, they know playing time is there.
JB with only playing 7 wouldn't have been a good fit in this new era.

 

[longtimefan]

That's why Red's system if he plays fast, and pressures on defense should help.
Playing a lot of players keeps players fresh, and more efficient on offense and defense.
It always helps keeping and recruiting players, they know playing time is there.
JB with only playing 7 wouldn't have been a good fit in this new era.

Not necessarily. Every player wants the PT--30 or 35 minutes, or more. If you set up a system where multiple guys get 15-20 minutes, and nobody gets 30, you might lose some top-end recruits.

 

[721Comstock]

Not necessarily. Every player wants the PT--30 or 35 minutes, or more. If you set up a system where multiple guys get 15-20 minutes, and nobody gets 30, you might lose some top-end recruits.

This is almost exactly what Ham does at Fla St. and he seems to always reel in plenty o talent.

Houston played 10 guys who averaged 10+ minutes / game.
Top 2 were 32 & 31.
Then 29, 28, 26.

Bottom 5: 15, 15, 14, 14, 10.

Jarace Walker was the 28.
He was drafted 8th.