Step back and think about, three 4-star SEC qbs

[GoSU96]

Shrader -
The industry-generated 247Sports Composite ranks Shrader as the nation's No. 13 dual-threat passer while 247Sports respectively ranks him No. 10
Shrader's offer list also included Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Virginia.

CDRW -
Rated a four-star prospect according to the 247Sports Composite Rankings... Ranked as the No. 16 QB in the country and the No. 14 overall prospect in Georgia according to the 247Sports Composite Rankings... Finished the 2020 Elite 11 Finals as Sports Illustrated All-American’s No. 5 QB from the event... Plays at a 5A high school (Cartersville) in Georgia, which is the third-largest classification in the state... Previously played for McEachern High School (Powder Springs, Ga.)... Chose Florida over offers from Florida State, Kentucky, Miami, Michigan, Ole Miss and Tennessee, among others.

Davis -
4 star, 23rd-best quarterback prospect in the country and No. 378 overall by 247Sports Composite… considered the second-best prospect in the state by Rivals… rated No. 237 on the ESPN300. Davis collected a total of 26 offers ranging from all over the United States. SEC offers included Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, and Texas A&M.

Are you kidding me, we’d be going nuts if one guy like this committed out of HS at any postion. This team has three, at Qb.

Wow.

 

[anomander]

Not for nothing but all of them received a lower transfer grade which they have been doing for years. Here are the regrades after seeing them compete against P5 athletes.

Shrader 80
Wilson 86
Davis 87

Obviously Shrader out played his transfer grade of an 80 and that had a lot to do with not fitting into Leach’s offense which requires an excellent passer. As much as i like Shrader i would say he has played like a high 3, low 4 star thus far.

 

[sufandu]

Not for nothing but all of them received a lower transfer grade which they have been doing for years. Here are the regrades after seeing them compete against P5 athletes.

Shrader 80
Wilson 86
Davis 87

Obviously Shrader out played his transfer grade of an 80 and that had a lot to do with not fitting into Leach’s offense which requires an excellent passer. As much as i like Shrader i would say he has played like a high 3, low 4 star thus far.

Yeah, it's easy to get excited about a high school kid that hasn't been a bust yet. I'm not saying any of these guys are busts, obviously Shrader has been great, but they don't transfer if they win the starting jobs at their first schools. I hope they all become great under Beck and we have awesome competition for the starting job after Shrader leaves.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Are you kidding me, we’d be going nuts if one guy like this committed out of HS at any postion. This team has three, at Qb.

Yup, this is a big deal and it gets glossed over a bit.

 

[SWC75]

Talent flows both ways through the portal. The football factories always recruit they guys they want and the guys you want. When the guys you wanted find out they aren't going to win the Heisman there, schools like SU look a lot better. I think it will be a trend that transfers in were higher rated, on average, than HS recruits. And they will already have some college experience.

 

[MadNY3]

Not for nothing but all of them received a lower transfer grade which they have been doing for years. Here are the regrades after seeing them compete against P5 athletes.

Shrader 80
Wilson 86
Davis 87

Obviously Shrader out played his transfer grade of an 80 and that had a lot to do with not fitting into Leach’s offense which requires an excellent passer. As much as i like Shrader i would say he has played like a high 3, low 4 star thus far.

Transfer grade? Whatever. They all left after one year In the SEC. The ROI on hype is not always immediate.

 

[TheCusian]

Yeah, it's easy to get excited about a high school kid that hasn't been a bust yet. I'm not saying any of these guys are busts, obviously Shrader has been great, but they don't transfer if they win the starting jobs at their first schools. I hope they all become great under Beck and we have awesome competition for the starting job after Shrader leaves.

SEC retreads > what we normally get from HS

 

[GoSU96]

Talent flows both ways through the portal. The football factories always recruit they guys they want and the guys you want. When the guys you wanted find out they aren't going to win the Heisman there, schools like SU look a lot better. I think it will be a trend that transfers in were higher rated, on average, than HS recruits. And they will already have some college experience.

Welcome to the party pal.

 

[orangefog]

Those players, especially quarterbacks, are rated out of high school on potential. SEC schools stockpile these quarterbacks and can only play one. There will always be these high potential quarterbacks available. They still have the same potential and they are less likely to transfer again. As long as we have Beck, I think we have a shot at one of these guys every year.

 

[Chip]

I'm old enough to remember when our transfer backup QBs were walk ons.

Anyone that's 7 years old is also old enough to remember.

 

[SUGIANT]

Yeah, it's easy to get excited about a high school kid that hasn't been a bust yet. I'm not saying any of these guys are busts, obviously Shrader has been great, but they don't transfer if they win the starting jobs at their first schools. I hope they all become great under Beck and we have awesome competition for the starting job after Shrader leav

 

[SUGIANT]

Jalen Hurts wasn’t to bad for a guy that lost his starting job.

 

[sufandu]

Jalen Hurts wasn’t to bad for a guy that lost his starting job.

Are those the same cases? Have any of our guys been the fulltime starter for a NC contender? A better example to make your point is probably Joe Burrow.

 

[bigmike]

SEC retreads > what we normally get from HS

And that’s no newfangled math.

We will likely get some guys transfer in from bigger programs who fail to make it, but that also occurs with HS recruits as well.

 

[sufandu]

Those players, especially quarterbacks, are rated out of high school on potential. SEC schools stockpile these quarterbacks and can only play one. There will always be these high potential quarterbacks available. They still have the same potential and they are less likely to transfer again. As long as we have Beck, I think we have a shot at one of these guys every year.

I think a couple things happen. Some of the guys hyped out of high school looked really good against inferior competition and don't live up to the hype when they get to college. The factories can bring in all of the highly rated guys and sift out the ones that don't cut it. Then there are the guys that are good but just not as good as the guy that wins the job or aren't a system fit. Our challenge is finding and landing the second kind and avoiding the first kind. We nailed it with Shrader. The jury is still out on the other two.

 

[orangefog]

I think a couple things happen. Some of the guys hyped out high school looked really good against inferior competition and don't live up to the hype when they get to college. The factories can bring in all of the highly rated guys a sift out the ones that don't cut it. Then there are the guys that are good but just not as good as the guy that wins the job or aren't a system fit. Our challenge is finding and landing the second kind and avoiding the first kind. We nailed it with Shrader. The jury is still out on the other two.

The beauty is, you only have to be right on half or less of these kinds of players. Our coaches can spot talent, and Beck can turn talent into production. We are going to have a big year this year, and it will be crucial to keep Beck here for a long time, because the wolves will come around after this year.

 

[sufandu]

The beauty is, you only have to be right on half or less of these kinds of players. Our coaches can spot talent, and Beck can turn talent into production. We are going to have a big year this year, and it will be crucial to keep Beck here for a long time, because the wolves will come around after this year.

Yeah, keeping a sharp eye out for the right transfers while going after the best high school kid you can get is the way to go. I'd love to get one of each every year. I hope we find a way to keep Beck a long time.

 

[orangefog]

Yeah, keeping a sharp eye out for the right transfers while going after the best high school kid you can get is the way to go. I'd love to get one of each every year. I hope we find a way to keep Beck a long time.

That's the key, that's our recipe for continued success.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm old enough to remember when our transfer backup QBs were walk ons.

Anyone that's 7 years old is also old enough to remember.

Yup, some years, a guy like Luke McPhail would be our backup QB.

This time, he'll be helping the scout team. He might even be pretty good! But the odds we need to find out are pretty low.

 

[UpstateSM]

All of the skill positions are crazy loaded. Damien Alford might be our 4th option and his resume includes game winning bombs and NFL-level acrobat catches.

Our backup running back went for 865 and 10 tudders two years ago. And there is legit talent behind him, too.

And the quarterback room is bananaland crazy for the Syracuse football that I know and love.

Just give me a competent offensive line and we can beat anyone on our schedule.

 

[anomander]

Transfer grade? Whatever. They all left after one year In the SEC. The ROI on hype is not always immediate.

That’s like saying Jarred Verse shouldn’t be regraded after you got to see him play. In the reverse we got Ingrham who i don’t anybody would argue is still a 93, but has been adjusted to a more suitable 84.

i would certainly take the transfer grade over a HS ranking when you’ve never seen their ability to compete at this level.

 

[Cuse12]

Best QB room in 20+ years. Impressive what Dino has done with upping our talent. It truly shows how a smaller private school has a lengthy turn around time to garner the talent necessary to be a winning team in a P5 conference. It just takes time. Happy we stuck it out with Dino or who knows where we would be right now!

 

[SoBristol]

Best QB room in 20+ years. Impressive what Dino has done with upping our talent. It truly shows how a smaller private school has a lengthy turn around time to garner the talent necessary to be a winning team in a P5 conference. It just takes time. Happy we stuck it out with Dino or who knows where we would be right now!

Our QB room was good in 2018 with Dungey backed by a 4 star Devito. Turned out Devito was a starter caliber QB for Illinois.

But sure, CDR-W and Davis bring great HS ratings.

 

[Cuse12]

Our QB room was good in 2018 with Dungey backed by a 4 star Devito. Turned out Devito was a starter caliber QB for Illinois.

But sure, CDR-W and Davis bring great HS ratings.

Yeah that was a solid room too!

 

[RF2044]

Shrader -
The industry-generated 247Sports Composite ranks Shrader as the nation's No. 13 dual-threat passer while 247Sports respectively ranks him No. 10
Shrader's offer list also included Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Nebraska, Ole Miss, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Virginia.

CDRW -
Rated a four-star prospect according to the 247Sports Composite Rankings... Ranked as the No. 16 QB in the country and the No. 14 overall prospect in Georgia according to the 247Sports Composite Rankings... Finished the 2020 Elite 11 Finals as Sports Illustrated All-American’s No. 5 QB from the event... Plays at a 5A high school (Cartersville) in Georgia, which is the third-largest classification in the state... Previously played for McEachern High School (Powder Springs, Ga.)... Chose Florida over offers from Florida State, Kentucky, Miami, Michigan, Ole Miss and Tennessee, among others.

Davis -
4 star, 23rd-best quarterback prospect in the country and No. 378 overall by 247Sports Composite… considered the second-best prospect in the state by Rivals… rated No. 237 on the ESPN300. Davis collected a total of 26 offers ranging from all over the United States. SEC offers included Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, and Texas A&M.

Are you kidding me, we’d be going nuts if one guy like this committed out of HS at any postion. This team has three, at Qb.

Wow.

Very true. We haven't been able to land QBs of this caliber out of HS, but we've benefitted from the portal in terms of being their second stop.

Ultimately, projecting QBs [outside of a top handful recognized as blue chip caliber] is somewhat of a crapshoot. It remains to be seen whether CDRW or Davis prove themselves [1] to be starting caliber, and [2] to be difference makers like ED and GS.

But all things being equal, it is better to have as many higher rated QBs on the roster as we can, to help increase the chances that one of them pans out. Feel the same way about Williams in the class of 2024 -- time will tell how good he is. But as Chip points out, this is a far cry from the not-too-distant-days where our backups were walk-ons. Admittedly pretty good walk ons, all things considered, but still a big dropoff from Dungey.

And Go is 100% right. The board lost our minds over DeVito. These three guys were higher rated.

QB room looks to be in great shape, long term -- which for our program is key.