Steve Angeli: Torn Achilles

[Dr. Bill]

For those who are our board doctors and surgeons. How long from surgery is the typical recovery for a player being able to fully practice again? Are there potential issues with a repair that could impair the timeline? Is the player susceptible to Achilles injury again any more so than before?

Recovery for athletes post surgery to fully practice is typically 9-12 months. Potential post surgical risks that could delay healing : Infection and nerve damage. Susceptibility to re-tearing the repaired achilles tendon is low for surgical repair: 3-5%. There is always the potential for a decrease in athletic performance post achilles injuries especially in the areas of explosive movements. The quality of the rehabilitation program is critical to the post surgical results relative to the time frame for complete return to athletic competition.

 

[Reyes39]

Good question, I can take this one.

He probably won't be able to resume most football like activities for some 6-9 months.

Unless he opts to get a peg leg as a treatment plan.

In that case, he'd be ready to go after the bye week.

It would be nearly impossible for him to sustain the same injury on a peg leg.

Forget the peg leg...

 

[Cusefan69]

Recovery for athletes post surgery to fully practice is typically 9-12 months. Potential post surgical risks that could delay healing : Infection and nerve damage. Susceptibility to re-tearing the repaired achilles tendon is low for surgical repair: 3-5%. There is always the potential for a decrease in athletic performance post achilles injuries especially in the areas of explosive movements. The quality of the rehabilitation program is critical to the post surgical results relative to the time frame for complete return to athletic competition.

Thanks for the info!

 

[orangezen]

I saw them in the early 70's at the fair grounds along with Spoky Tooth and Jo Jo Gunn.

I was at that show

 

[capeorange]

I was at that show

We used to get a lot of great bands playing in Syracuse.

 

[wiseman3]

Not that this really matters right now, but this definitely throws a wrench into the future QB succession plan for the next few years. For me the way Steve was playing this season and especially against Clemson, it was his job next year for a run at the ACC title and then Carney taking over (or another transfer if for whatever reason he wasn't ready). Now things get pretty complicated if Angeli gets a medical redshirt. Would he be 100% for next year? Depending on how Rickie plays is he in the mix? Rickie getting and keeping the job for 2 additional years would almost certainly leave Carney on the outside possibly transferring. Again doesn't mean much now and a ton can change obviously, but its an interesting situation. Damnit I feel for Angeli, he was finding his groove

 

[ECE '76]

I think we may actually have a chance to win the ACC and make a run for it all next year

I think we have a chance to win the ACC this year, esp so if Steve Angeli was still playing. Remember, we are undefeated in the ACC right now.

Last year it wasn't until the Cal game that everything started clicking for SU. This year it started clicking yesterday. No reason we can't hang with Miami. And ND is not a league game.

 

[ECE '76]

According to Clemson's QB, he actually faked it. Both of them, in fact.

It sure looked like to me that Clemson's strategy was to get Angeli out of the game. Falling on his leg on the first drive, multiple roughing the passer penalties, there should have been a targeting call.

 

[ECE '76]

According to a friend, who is an orthopedic surgeon, a pre-existing knee injury can many times precipitate an achilles injury because the knees and the achilles tendon are part of the same kinetic chain. the knee injury doesn't cause the achilles injury, but it can indirectly increase the vulnerability of the achilles due to how th body compensates, leading to altered biomechanics, muscle imbalances, and reduced flexibility. If you notice, Angelli had a left knee brace on... Whatever the cause, it is sad news for Steve and the cuse!!!

Steve was noticeably gimpy on that leg after the injury to it on the first drive. I can't imagine sitting around for the 96 minute delay and then going all out to play on it more helped things.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I love King Crimson have seen them about 6 or 7 times a favorite band

In the court of the Crimson King is one of the greatest albums of all time... Pure Psychedelic, proggy bliss. Any recommendations for other albums I should dive into? I have that one on vinyl but somehow haven't taken the time to explore the rest of their catalog

 

[AZOrange]

According to a friend, who is an orthopedic surgeon, a pre-existing knee injury can many times precipitate an achilles injury because the knees and the achilles tendon are part of the same kinetic chain. the knee injury doesn't cause the achilles injury, but it can indirectly increase the vulnerability of the achilles due to how th body compensates, leading to altered biomechanics, muscle imbalances, and reduced flexibility. If you notice, Angelli had a left knee brace on... Whatever the cause, it is sad news for Steve and the cuse!!!

That’s what I said yesterday! Glad I’m not crazy…

 

[wfschrec]

Najee Harris of the Chargers also just blew his out in a non-contract injury ... crazy.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I knew this would be an Achilles heel to our team...

Bad taste

 

[AZOrange]

Najee Harris of the Chargers also just blew his out in a non-contract injury ... crazy.

It keeps happening …

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Feel bad for the young man. I had confidence in him to bring us a great season.
But can someone remind me why I had such confidence?
Just because I was thinking about how I felt in the 3rd qtr of the Uconn game. He looked pretty terrible to be honest. He for sure showed guts and promise in the 4th and looked pretty good against ^Colgate. Didn't do poorly against Tenn.
But going into the Clemson game I had ...oh boy, damnit "faith" in Angeli "belief without 'much' evidence"
Yea he was the leading passer in the dang nation but to me that was sneaky, surprising at least to me...
To me...this makes it easy for me to believe very strongly that we have one of best OCs and Offensive systems out there. One of the best QB coaches/assistants that all work together very well with the right HC that leads in a way to make it all max out, bet.
We had good evidence that Nixon was top tier as an OC, we have been told as much.
Lets see how we do with Collins, or any other QB that could play. Clearly there is talent there but that doesn't mean automatic success.
These kids need great coaching, good/the right systems, plays that set them up for success, comfortability. Our coaches will get him/them there.
Repetitions are always mentioned but they are so valuable, with reps the game begins to slow down in the mind, the more ya see, the more you know, the better ya get and chemistry is formed, creative/positive lil things happen. Resulting in instinctive actions, the thought process is done, you now dictate the speed of the game. Confidence comes.
Not to mention the supporting cast of players are loaded up. WRs, TEs, RBs, OL. 2 deep def has only given up like 50 pts in the last 14 qtrs.
Hmmm, long story short...we good, we have talented players & Coaches. Next man up...Angeli can still be a valuable leader this year.
Ok...the end.

Edible snuck up on me here, blast from the past like 1993, Im ready to play for these coaches.

 

[sufandu]

Doesn't the toe usually hang down limp on an Achilles tear? It didn't look like it was, which is my only hope it's less severe - because otherwise I thought for sure it was an Achilles.

When you see on the replay the funky position his foot was in as he was going down, you can tell it was limp.

 

[sufandu]

Ready to go??? Don’t they do inspections on these kids like they do for carnival rides?

They're not doing MRI's on people that aren't complaining of some sort of pain or dysfunction. Sometimes connective tissue is slowly failing without feeling it. It happens with ACLs too.

 

[Cuseregular]

When you see on the replay the funky position his foot was in as he was going down, you can tell it was limp.

Yep and right before the play started that he went down you can see he’s clearly moving it around trying to kind of “shake it off”, so it was obviously bothering him already before it finally went on him.

 

[sufandu]

Once again...

30% of 12 games = 3.6 games, rounded up to 4.

This is Angeli's 4th game.

It's no different than any other player who plays in 4 games and redshirts.

The issue is that Angeli already redshirted once back in 2022.

He needs to apply for a hardship waiver to be granted a 6th year of eligibility in order to take 2025 as a second redshirt year. The fact that he only played 4 games and his injury occurred in the first half of the season works in his favor.

He probably needs to show that first redshirt was for health reasons and not choice, correct?

 

[Cuseregular]

They're not doing MRI's on people that aren't complaining of some sort of pain or dysfunction. Sometimes connective tissue is slowly failing without feeling it. It happens with ACLs too.

Exactly. Having taught orthopedics for 30 years Here’s analogy I use with ligament and disc injuries.

Picture a piece of burlap bag, with each successive insult and/or injury some of the fibers start to fray, One or two or a few at first, and then it starts the cascade and rip completely

 

[sufandu]

I know you’re not asking for my opinion, but I believe carney has beat out jakhari based on carney being in at Colgate.

Didn't someone say Jakhari has been hurt?

 

[sufandu]

According to a friend, who is an orthopedic surgeon, a pre-existing knee injury can many times precipitate an achilles injury because the knees and the achilles tendon are part of the same kinetic chain. the knee injury doesn't cause the achilles injury, but it can indirectly increase the vulnerability of the achilles due to how th body compensates, leading to altered biomechanics, muscle imbalances, and reduced flexibility. If you notice, Angelli had a left knee brace on... Whatever the cause, it is sad news for Steve and the cuse!!!

I wonder if that is more often a long term wear and tear type thing, especially in an older population. It doesn't seem like a banged up knee would cause enough stress to tear a young healthy achilles just a couple hours later unless there was already some unkown damage. We've seen so many athletes play with banged up knees in the past.

 

[Cuseregular]

I wonder if that is more often a long term wear and tear type thing, especially in an older population. It doesn't seem like a banged up knee would cause enough stress to tear a young healthy achilles just a couple hours later unless there was already some unkown damage. We've seen so many athletes play with banged up knees in the past.

Exactly correct. This is likely the culprit in this post from yesterday. Seen way too many in my health care practice over the years from this:

Post in thread 'Clemson Postgame Party Thread'

Saturday at 10:56 PM

Amazing win. I didn't think we would be able to score on their D. That first half was perfect. Nixon is special. Although I wish he wasn't allergic to running the ball. Especially after Angeli went down. Even more so when we were trying to kill clock.

From the replay Angeli's foot went sideways, which to me wouldn't indicate an achilles. Unless it happened the step prior. I would guess that it is an ankle injury.

Had the injury not occurred, we legit had a chance at a big season. But I think there is a huge drop off with Collins.

Great job by ERob. We could have been even better had...

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But, again, his young age makes him such an outlier in this, at least in my experience as the ones I’ve seen are with older folks 35+. So strange, such a bummer, for him AND us