Steven Clark

[blizz]

Let's paper over the details because winning with a flimsy argument is still winning. And God knows we really need some some winning around here.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I guess they read this site. It was on WMU's message board, like, 2 months ago.

The last time someone posted a message board rumor, a sports reporter in Rochester lost his job. 2011 maybe? That was the time that guy posted a rumor from a gambling website that Scoop Jardine was involved in points shaving.

 

[DBCooper]

That would assume he was DQd for the clot...and you know what they say happens when you assume things.

That is correct. We cannot assume that the disqualification was due to the same issue.

However, unless a different reason is disclosed, there is no reason to assume that Tucker's diagnosis was wrong.

 

[RandomGuy]

The last time someone posted a message board rumor, a sports reporter in Rochester lost his job. 2011 maybe? That was the time that guy posted a rumor from a gambling website that Scoop Jardine was involved in points shaving.

Was from the articles/Lester. The one posted was also from Feb 20. I'm just surprised it took so long.

I'm not going to assume that a team of specialists/NCAA got it wrong. If they didnt prove otherwise, he never would have played. Lots of reasons for A DQ. Hope Steven is doing well.

 

[MadNY3]

Has this been posted here and I missed it? WMU DQ'd him too. Tough break...for a kid we all love watching.
Western Michigan coach Tim Lester to call the offense in 2018

DT Clark medically disqualified
Lester said that senior defensive tackle Steven Clark has been medically disqualified. Clark transferred to Western Michigan from Syracuse last year after he was medically disqualified by the Orange due to a genetic disorder.

"It hurts because I love the kid," Lester said. "He's been unbelievable. He's like another coach out there ... He's going to be an integral part of our team going forward."

The 6-foot-2, 285-pound Clark played in all 12 games with 11 starts last season, registering 27 tackles including 2 1/2 for loss.

Mark, when is your name going to start being credited on Syracuse.com?

 

[Cusefan69]

The whole tucker thing and dad thing are both topics that jumped the shark...move on...congrats to Steve in his new career...hope he has success...moving on...

 

[javadoc]

You ask questions that you don't know the answer to and then end it with that conclusion?

Is it possible that our school was playing it safe, and that a condition that was present at the time ended up getting worse?

We might have been playing it safe, sure. In the face of contrary evidence. At the time, there was no objective reason, based on the totality of the evidence, to conclude that a medical DQ was required. If we’re playing scared, fine. It is what it is. That’s the conclusion.

The questions pertain to the current DQ.

 

[Chip]

We might have been playing it safe, sure. In the face of contrary evidence. At the time, there was no objective reason, based on the totality of the evidence, to conclude that a medical DQ was required. If we’re playing scared, fine. It is what it is. That’s the conclusion.

The questions pertain to the current DQ.

You seem to have a lot of insider information that I certainly don’t have, so I’ll step aside.

Guess we got lucky on this one. Like Frank Drebin accidentally backing over a drug dealer with his car.

 

[javadoc]

You seem to have a lot of insider information that I certainly don’t have, so I’ll step aside.

Guess we got lucky on this one. Like Frank Drebin accidentally backing over a drug dealer with his car.

Guess WMU got lucky too, after they cleared him to play, based on the evidence discussed publicly at the time.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Guess WMU got lucky too, after they cleared him to play, based on the evidence discussed publicly at the time.

Yeah, I’d say they got damn lucky.

And why do you just assume that YOU knew all the facts??

This is crazy...

 

[javadoc]

Yeah, I’d say they got damn lucky.

And why do you just assume that YOU knew all the facts??

This is crazy...

There was an article at the time that said the WMU doc reviewed all the reports, including the specialists who were consulted outside our program. Their doc reviewed everything that was available to a medical professional at that time. And cleared him.

What more do I need to know about what happened at that moment?

 

[maxxyz]

There was an article at the time that said the WMU doc reviewed all the reports, including the specialists who were consulted outside our program. Their doc reviewed everything that was available to a medical professional at that time. And cleared him.

What more do I need to know about what happened at that moment?

That all the medical information was provided by the Clark's ? :noidea:

 

[orangenirvana]

Sucks for the kid, but I can’t help but wonder, where will the Tucker apology line be forming?

Dr. Tucker reacts to the news of his public redemption...

 

[KaiserUEO]

There was an article at the time that said the WMU doc reviewed all the reports, including the specialists who were consulted outside our program. Their doc reviewed everything that was available to a medical professional at that time. And cleared him.

What more do I need to know about what happened at that moment?

Maybe a dr on the payroll cleared him.

Or that the Dr sucked.

 

[CuseTroop]

The last time someone posted a message board rumor, a sports reporter in Rochester lost his job. 2011 maybe? That was the time that guy posted a rumor from a gambling website that Scoop Jardine was involved in points shaving.

Ohhhh man, Andy Adamson, or Adam Andyson lol something like that. I think that was the first board meltdown I ever experienced.

edit- says I joined in August 2011, this must have happened January/February 2012.

 

[MadisonCuse]

This does not prove anything we don't know why he was disqualified it could have been the knee or something else. The trainer who put him in a ill fitting knee brace and Dr. Tucker are both incompetent. Tucker has no business being a team physician he is a special brand of quack. Take a peak at is malpractice suits.

 

[RandomGuy]

This does not prove anything we don't know why he was disqualified it could have been the knee or something else. The trainer who put him in a ill fitting knee brace and Dr. Tucker are both incompetent. Tucker has no business being a team physician he is a special brand of quack. Take a peak at is malpractice suits.

That was a different Dr. Tucker, in the malpractice suits. No need to to falsely assign that to him. Steven was cleared by a team of specialists(5?), and AFAIK, the original specialist also backed off his claim. Neither the NCAA, or a university would ever risk that liability, if it were a concern. You were more likely to be struck by lightning, than THAT issue being the cause of his current misfortune. (check the odds, if you feel otherwise.)

Football is a dangerous sport. Sad to see he got banged up. I hear he's, still, absolutely crushing it in the weight room. Be nice to see him as a GA coaching D. If not? Coach Sobol(S&C) was a big, bad, STRONG, man(on to Kent State) Steven put Swolebole in his rear view mirror, long ago. Wouldn't be surprised to see him as a S&C coach, either. Best of luck. Hope to see him coaching in Orange.

 

[billsin01]

Sucks for the kid, but I can’t help but wonder, where will the Tucker apology line be forming?

I haven’t followed this all that closely in terms of what it was that got people so upset, but how any person with any sort of understanding of what’s going on with football and CTE would be against erring on the side of caution is baffling to me.

 

[OttoMets]

I haven’t followed this all that closely in terms of what it was that got people so upset, ...

The irresistible urge to pander to a player's parent, by all looks of things.

Combine that with a healthy dose of searching for things to complain about and looking for shortcomings at SU and you get an ugly topic.

 

[billsin01]

The irresistible urge to pander to a player's parent, by all looks of things.

Combine that with a healthy dose of searching for things to complain about and looking for shortcomings at SU and you get an ugly topic.

Yeah, I think the medical staff's job is not only to look out for the player's health to protect the player from himself, to a degree, but also to protect him from his parents. I'm not knocking Clark's parents but I do know that people put an awful lot of value in their kids' athletic accomplishments. One of my sons is a pretty decent athlete and I love it. I find that watching his games are some of my favorite things to do. I would imagine if he was a big-time DI athlete with some potential to even go beyond that and become a professional that it would be amazing. Hearing bad injury news would be devastating. That said, if I have even one reputable doctor telling me my son's long-term health is at-risk, I would really hope that I would listen to that guy and make the safe decision going forward.

 

[Pyle]

Lol, you tucker apologists really think you got something on this one don't you? You don't know why he was DQ'd. Your argument that Tucker is somehow redeemed is baseless. Tucker DQ'd him for blood clots, and everyone else in the world cleared him after and he played a full season. Everything else is assumption until facts come out. But to say this somehow vindicates Tucker's DQ is silly. At least until more is known.

 

[dasher]

Lol, you tucker apologists really think you got something on this one don't you? You don't know why he was DQ'd. Your argument that Tucker is somehow redeemed is baseless. Tucker DQ'd him for blood clots, and everyone else in the world cleared him after and he played a full season. Everything else is assumption until facts come out. But to say this somehow vindicates Tucker's DQ is silly. At least until more is known.

Everyone else in the world? That is the silly statement. One other school cleared him. Now, I'm not a Dr and have no idea whether he should have been cleared or not. But the fact that another school has now DQ him, is relevant.

 

[Pyle]

Everyone else in the world? That is the silly statement. One other school cleared him. Now, I'm not a Dr and have no idea whether he should have been cleared or not. But the fact that another school has now DQ him, is relevant.

The original specialist that Tucker spoke to went back on his diagnosis, he was cleared by other specialists, I wasn't referring to schools, I meant doctors.

It's only relevant if they DQ'd him for the same reason, which we don't know. He could have been DQ'd for concussions at this point which would have nothing to do with Tucker or clots.

 

[djorange1989]

The original specialist that Tucker spoke to went back on his diagnosis, he was cleared by other specialists, I wasn't referring to schools, I meant doctors.

It's only relevant if they DQ'd him for the same reason, which we don't know. He could have been DQ'd for concussions at this point which would have nothing to do with Tucker or clots.

maybe Bearcubs can come back on here and, without revealing what I know is private info, can perhaps let us know if the DQ is for something different or not. Understand if he can't, but maybe...

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Lol, you tucker apologists really think you got something on this one don't you? You don't know why he was DQ'd. Your argument that Tucker is somehow redeemed is baseless. Tucker DQ'd him for blood clots, and everyone else in the world cleared him after and he played a full season. Everything else is assumption until facts come out. But to say this somehow vindicates Tucker's DQ is silly. At least until more is known.

How can anyone be a "Tucker apologist?" Some on here choose to be logical instead of making a gut reaction based on one source.