Steven Clark

[Pyle]

How can anyone be a "Tucker apologist?" Some on here choose to be logical instead of making a gut reaction based on one source.

The ones who ran on here to apologize to Tucker after finding out WMU DQ'd him fit the bill for sure.

It's funny the whole logical, one source comment. Tucker consulted one specialist who later went back on his diagnosis but Tucker stuck with the DQ. Clark was then cleared by a number of other specialists and then cleared by another University's medical team so to me the person who only had one source was Tucker.

The only really logical thing that can be said here, is that we don't have enough information to vindicate Tucker's diagnosis or not. There is currently zero evidence of any correlation between the two DQs.

 

[Bayside44]

The ones who ran on here to apologize to Tucker after finding out WMU DQ'd him fit the bill for sure.

It's funny the whole logical, one source comment. Tucker consulted one specialist who later went back on his diagnosis but Tucker stuck with the DQ. Clark was then cleared by a number of other specialists and then cleared by another University's medical team so to me the person who only had one source was Tucker.

The only really logical thing that can be said here, is that we don't have enough information to vindicate Tucker's diagnosis or not. There is currently zero evidence of any correlation between the two DQs.

Only the school's medical team can "clear" a kid. Otherwise it's an opinion.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

It's funny the whole logical, one source comment. Tucker consulted one specialist who later went back on his diagnosis but Tucker stuck with the DQ. Clark was then cleared by a number of other specialists and then cleared by another University's medical team so to me the person who only had one source was Tucker.

The only really logical thing that can be said here, is that we don't have enough information to vindicate Tucker's diagnosis or not. There is currently zero evidence of any correlation between the two DQs.

Right, there isn't enough info to say Clark was DQ'ed because of blood clots.

My one source comment is directed at you - where did you hear about Tucker consulting a specialist who changed his mind as from Clark's father on this board? Did you have it verified elsewhere? How are you so sure Tucker did the wrong thing?

 

[RandomGuy]

Right, there isn't enough info to say Clark was DQ'ed because of blood clots.

My one source comment is directed at you - where did you hear about Tucker consulting a specialist who changed his mind as from Clark's father on this board? Did you have it verified elsewhere? How are you so sure Tucker did the wrong thing?

NCAA cleared the transfer, with no penalty.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

NCAA cleared the transfer, with no penalty.

So? How does that demonize Tucker?

 

[RandomGuy]

Not demonizing. Just pointing out that the NCAA looked at the evidence, agreed, and Steven got a waiver.

 

[Chip]

The ones who ran on here to apologize to Tucker after finding out WMU DQ'd him fit the bill for sure.

It's funny the whole logical, one source comment. Tucker consulted one specialist who later went back on his diagnosis but Tucker stuck with the DQ. Clark was then cleared by a number of other specialists and then cleared by another University's medical team so to me the person who only had one source was Tucker.

The only really logical thing that can be said here, is that we don't have enough information to vindicate Tucker's diagnosis or not. There is currently zero evidence of any correlation between the two DQs.

What exactly are you defending against at this point?

Are you still mad that our doctor didn't clear Clark? Or is it something else?

 

[RandomGuy]

His father, from the wmu board.

He's a bit beat up. Some of it cumulative since his freshman year. As of now, pretty sure he's not playing next Friday.

That was after his last/final injury.
I'll go with the cumulative. Football takes its toll.

 

[Scooch]

Dino Babers is entering his third season has head coach, and John Wildhack is in his second year as AD. As far as anyone knows, neither of them have expressed any desire to remove Tucker from his post, or have complained about the DQs within the football program. Until the only two people who matter are agitated by things I don't see the need to obsess over this stuff.

 

[Pyle]

What exactly are you defending against at this point?

Are you still mad that our doctor didn't clear Clark? Or is it something else?

Simply defending myself and others who had an issue with the DQ in the first place. As soon as others found out about WMU they all came on here to chastise us for questioning the doc to begin with. I've had enough experience with bad dr's to understand they are not infallible.

 

[Pyle]

Dino Babers is entering his third season has head coach, and John Wildhack is in his second year as AD. As far as anyone knows, neither of them have expressed any desire to remove Tucker from his post, or have complained about the DQs within the football program. Until the only two people who matter are agitated by things I don't see the need to obsess over this stuff.

They was quite a bit of rumbling after Clark that Dino was indeed not happy and that the process was being looked at on the hill. It's also been stated that the Doc is JB's buddy and since we all know who is really running the show on the hill it shouldn't surprise you that Tucker is still there.

 

[Bayside44]

They was quite a bit of rumbling after Clark that Dino was indeed not happy and that the process was being looked at on the hill. It's also been stated that the Doc is JB's buddy and since we all know who is really running the show on the hill it shouldn't surprise you that Tucker is still there.

Dino doesn't want a kid having a medical issue on his watch esp when it's preventable.

SU did a study on concussions and DQs. We were slightly above ACC average but we also had kids competing in the ACC that had no business being here. AJ Long says hello.

 

[Scooch]

They was quite a bit of rumbling after Clark that Dino was indeed not happy and that the process was being looked at on the hill. It's also been stated that the Doc is JB's buddy and since we all know who is really running the show on the hill it shouldn't surprise you that Tucker is still there.

Rumbling from who? As reported by someone on this board? Given the large investment SU has made in the football program the past couple years, and the extremely high regard that our AD holds Babers in, I find it very hard to fathom that he would retain a doc that Dino wants gone.

 

[rrlbees]

They was quite a bit of rumbling after Clark that Dino was indeed not happy and that the process was being looked at on the hill. It's also been stated that the Doc is JB's buddy and since we all know who is really running the show on the hill it shouldn't surprise you that Tucker is still there.

was it a poster that said tucker was jbs buddy and that's why hes still here?

 

[orange79]

Until the only two people who matter are agitated by things I don't see the need to obsess over this stuff.

Well, there goes the internet.

 

[Scooch]

Well, there goes the internet. View attachment 126519

Haha. Hey I love pointless internet arguments as much as anyone. This one confuses the hell out of me though.

 

[TheCusian]

So? How does that demonize Tucker?

I think it shows *exactly* what we thought here: he didn’t weigh all of the evidence. He made a call and then dug in. Good for him to have the balls to do it, but I don’t think he’s absolved of all criticism. Do you?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How can anyone be a "Tucker apologist?" Some on here choose to be logical instead of making a gut reaction based on one source.

I am a Tucker apologist actually.

Chris Tucker.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I think it shows *exactly* what we thought here: he didn’t weigh all of the evidence. He made a call and then dug in. Good for him to have the balls to do it, but I don’t think he’s absolved of all criticism. Do you?

I'm not a lawyer. But the way I see it - Someone on the training staff messed up, which revealed the issue in the first place. No matter what the family said about assuming responsibility, that's a liability that will never go away. If something worse had happened to Clark while affiliated with Syracuse after that point, the University would have been on the hook. A doctor is the face of the issue, but that's not what's going on here. Questions about his competency in this case and this case alone are irrelevant.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm not a lawyer. But the way I see it - Someone on the training staff messed up, which revealed the issue in the first place. No matter what the family said about assuming responsibility, that's a liability that will never go away. If something worse had happened to Clark while affiliated with Syracuse after that point, the University would have been on the hook. A doctor is the face of the issue, but that's not what's going on here. Questions about his competency in this case and this case alone are irrelevant.

That’s not my contention. I get why he said he did it and why the university went with his recommendation. Liability is and should a real concern. What bothers me (and others) is when presented with more information or the chance to hear from multiple other professionals (specialists, while he is not) - he seemingly decided to not even listen. And it seems that this is not the first time.

I’m not saying that he’s a bad doctor or that the university isn’t right in weighing their liability heavily. I’m saying he’s not above reproach and should, when presented with dissenting opinions, consider them. I also think their should be a real appeals process. BCubs seemed frustrated with communication. That’s an easy fix, liability and lawyers be damned.

 

[dasher]

Not demonizing. Just pointing out that the NCAA looked at the evidence, agreed, and Steven got a waiver.

The NCAA wasn't making a medical judgment. One school dq ed him and another school didn't. Would make no sense for the NCAA not to grant him immediate clearance.

 

[RandomGuy]

His genetics gave him a tiny chance more, of being affected, than someone without. On par with your chances of being struck by lightning...

If that's the tree you want to bark up, that's your right. Buy a lottery ticket, but make sure you stay very low. Best of luck.

 

[MadNY3]

Lol, you tucker apologists really think you got something on this one don't you? You don't know why he was DQ'd. Your argument that Tucker is somehow redeemed is baseless. Tucker DQ'd him for blood clots, and everyone else in the world cleared him after and he played a full season. Everything else is assumption until facts come out. But to say this somehow vindicates Tucker's DQ is silly. At least until more is known.

Yeah. He went to Western Nowehere Michigan. So "everyone" really wanted to go there...


And reminder, his career is done. So there's room for understanding the DQ. No?

 

[CuseOnly]

Everyone else in the world? That is the silly statement. One other school cleared him. Now, I'm not a Dr and have no idea whether he should have been cleared or not. But the fact that another school has now DQ him, is relevant.

There were several other specialists that cleared Stephen, even the specialist that Tucker was relying on for diagnosis cleared him to play. The only doctor that didn't clear him was Tucker, who is not a specialist in the field of Stephen's blood condition.

WMU cleared him based on the diagnosis of several specialists.

Tucker was the outlier and all the Tucker apologists should look back at all of the concussion DQ's.

He is a family practice physician, there is a reason you see your primary AND THEN GET A REFERRAL TO A SPECIALIST because a Primary care physician is not qualified or versed in the treatment of those types of things. Normally, then the specialist takes over the treatment of that particular malady...but not for SU athletes it seems.

 

[sufandu]

Rumbling from who? As reported by someone on this board? Given the large investment SU has made in the football program the past couple years, and the extremely high regard that our AD holds Babers in, I find it very hard to fathom that he would retain a doc that Dino wants gone.

I can't remember if he said anything about DB's opinion of Tucker, but another player's parent said on this board that many players seek medical treatment outside of the AD because they don't trust the SU medical staff. That seems significant.