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We have a new Chancellor and a new AD. Can we now please change (or eliminate) the drug policy? You know - the one the NCAA does not require us to have? At the minimum can we please remove pot from any remaining policy? You know - the drug that does not enhance athletic performance? The one that caused zero overdoses in the past year(s)? The drug that was a linchpin the NCAA penalties? That one? Please?
 
I'll reiterate - it is completely idiotic to publish a policy that then makes you required to comply with the policy, and then not comply with your own policy. Creating policies to give the appearance of a strong compliance environment and then not enforcing them is never a good course of action. It will eventually come back to bite you.
 
Toga said:
We have a new Chancellor and a new AD. Can we now please change (or eliminate) the drug policy? You know - the one the NCAA does not require us to have? At the minimum can we please remove pot from any remaining policy? You know - the drug that does not enhance athletic performance? The one that caused zero overdoses in the past year(s)? The drug that was a linchpin the NCAA penalties? That one? Please?
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Their policy should mimic the NCAA rules in this case...whatever they are. The bare minimum.
 
not having a policy does that help us when we play in NCAA games where they do have a policy? isnt the issue more if you want a policy make sure it helps the players, the family, the school.
 
Like I sad in the other drug thread started on the basketball board, don't test and penalize and you run the risk of the NCAA catching a kid during their random testing during bowl games and the NCAA tournament. Then the kid is out a year. Better to be proactive. But you gotta follow the policy.
 
tep624 said:
I'll reiterate - it is completely idiotic to publish a policy that then makes you required to comply with the policy, and then not comply with your own policy. Creating policies to give the appearance of a strong compliance environment and then not enforcing them is never a good course of action. It will eventually come back to bite you.
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Exactly. Making more red tape for yourself. No good comes from that policy especially since SU isn't required to even have it.
 
Stern said:
Exactly. Making more red tape for yourself. No good comes from that policy especially since SU isn't required to even have it.
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So, you'd rather have a kid test positive during a bowl game (well, a guy can hope, can't he?) or the NCAA tournament and lose them for a year? Rather than trying to intervene early, and have the first penalty be a phone call to mom and dad? How can that be 'no good coming from that policy...'?
 
orange79 said:
So, you'd rather have a kid test positive during a bowl game (well, a guy can hope, can't he?) or the NCAA tournament and lose them for a year? Rather than trying to intervene early, and have the first penalty be a phone call to mom and dad? How can that be 'no good coming from that policy...'?
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You sound like you copy and pasted one of my posts. Lol.
 
orange79 said:
So, you'd rather have a kid test positive during a bowl game (well, a guy can hope, can't he?) or the NCAA tournament and lose them for a year? Rather than trying to intervene early, and have the first penalty be a phone call to mom and dad? How can that be 'no good coming from that policy...'?
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How about we have a drug policy but not make the penalties as ridiculous as they are right now. Let's do what the Southern schools do.

1st offense - Have to write on the board, "Say No To Drugs" at least 10 times
2nd offense - Have to write on the board, "Say No To Drugs" at least 20 times
3rd offense - Have to run 2 laps around the field - After all they are student athletes
4th offense - Have to actually do your own classwork
5th offense - 1/2 game suspension - Only to be used for walk-ons and kids who never see the field
6th offense - 1 game suspension - Only to be used for walk-ons and kids who never see the field

If the policy and penalties are totally up to you, why over-penalize anyone, so stupid.
 
orange79 said:
So, you'd rather have a kid test positive during a bowl game (well, a guy can hope, can't he?) or the NCAA tournament and lose them for a year? Rather than trying to intervene early, and have the first penalty be a phone call to mom and dad? How can that be 'no good coming from that policy...'?
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If he tests positive in October or December is there a huge difference for a school like SU? Odds are SU isn't playing in a national title game so if he is suspended for a bowl game it isn't the end of the world and I would rather have the kid all year and have him "maybe" miss a bowl game in this scenario we are talking about; a bowl game that really has no great meaning. Regarding basketball and the NCAA tournament, I would again take my chances. I would hope the head coach would be strong enough to drill this in the teams head and season long testing isn't needed to drive home the point they will be drug tested at seasons end so get off anything you may be on now! I don't see the need for the policy.

That's just my .2
 
Stern said:
If he tests positive in October or December is there a huge difference for a school like SU? Odds are SU isn't playing in a national title game so if he is suspended for a bowl game it isn't the end of the world and I would rather have the kid all year and have him "maybe" miss a bowl game in this scenario we are talking about; a bowl game that really has no great meaning. Regarding basketball and the NCAA tournament, I would again take my chances. I would hope the head coach would be strong enough to drill this in the teams head and season long testing isn't needed to drive home the point they will be drug tested at seasons end so get off anything you may be on now! I don't see the need for the policy.

That's just my .2
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He wouldn't just be suspended for the bowl game.

The penalty for positive tests of both performance-enhancing and street drugs is strict and automatic. Student-athletes lose one full year of eligibility for the first offense (25 percent of their total eligibility) and are withheld from competition for a full season. A second positive test for street drugs results in another lost year of eligibility and year withheld from competition. A second positive result for PED usage will render the student-athlete permanently ineligible.
 
CuseOnly said:
How about we have a drug policy but not make the penalties as ridiculous as they are right now. Let's do what the Southern schools do. 1st offense - Have to write on the board, "Say No To Drugs" at least 10 times 2nd offense - Have to write on the board, "Say No To Drugs" at least 20 times 3rd offense - Have to run 2 laps around the field - After all they are student athletes 4th offense - Have to actually do your own classwork 5th offense - 1/2 game suspension - Only to be used for walk-ons and kids who never see the field 6th offense - 1 game suspension - Only to be used for walk-ons and kids who never see the field If the policy and penalties are totally up to you, why over-penalize anyone, so stupid.
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You have that a bit backwards. What makes our penalties so ridiculous? First time call mom and dad. Second time consulting. Is that a killer? LSU and Georgia among other southern schools, suspend on first offense.
 
rrlbees said:
You have that a bit backwards. What makes our penalties so ridiculous? First time call mom and dad. Second time consulting. Is that a killer? LSU and Georgia among other southern schools, suspend on first offense.
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Our 2 DE's that are now suspended are suspended 50% of the season, 6 games for a second offense. Not sure where you are getting consulting from for a second offense.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...amir_ealey_failed_drug_tests_sources_say.html

Directly from a copy of the policy:
The players failed two drug tests, sources said. A second violation carries a suspension from practice and competition, according to a copy of the policy obtained by Syracuse.com/The Post-Standard.

It reads a player "will be suspended from practice and competition for the number of events equaling a minimum of 50 percent of an academic year's competition regular schedule."

Not sure but I don't think any schools in the SEC or even any in the ACC are suspending anyone 6 games in Football or 15 games in Basketball for a second offense = Ridiculous.
 
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CuseOnly said:
Our 2 DE's that are now suspended are suspended 50% of the season, 6 games for a second offense. Not sure where you are getting consulting from for a second offense.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...amir_ealey_failed_drug_tests_sources_say.html

Directly from a copy of the policy:
The players failed two drug tests, sources said. A second violation carries a suspension from practice and competition, according to a copy of the policy obtained by Syracuse.com/The Post-Standard.

It reads a player "will be suspended from practice and competition for the number of events equaling a minimum of 50 percent of an academic year's competition regular schedule."

Not sure but I don't think any schools in the SEC or even any in the ACC are suspending anyone 6 games in Football or 15 games in Basketball for a second offense = Ridiculous.
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Uber excessive

Modify the punitive actions of the policy
 
orangenauburn said:
Uber excessive

Modify the punitive actions of the policy
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Should be at most 1 game for a second offense.

Kid in the SEC got pulled over and charged with DUI under age and was penalized and suspended half a game. He was charged with a crime that involved illegal underage drinking and operation of a vehicle while impaired and only got a half game. SU's policy is ridiculous.
 
CuseOnly said:
Should be at most 1 game for a second offense.

Kid in the SEC got pulled over and charged with DUI under age and was penalized and suspended half a game. He was charged with a crime that involved illegal underage drinking and operation of a vehicle while impaired and only got a half game. SU's policy is ridiculous.
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Following that kind of policy will hurt recruiting once its severity is used against us by our competitors, and believe me they will.
 
CuseOnly said:
Our 2 DE's that are now suspended are suspended 50% of the season, 6 games for a second offense. Not sure where you are getting consulting from for a second offense. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...amir_ealey_failed_drug_tests_sources_say.html Directly from a copy of the policy: The players failed two drug tests, sources said. A second violation carries a suspension from practice and competition, according to a copy of the policy obtained by Syracuse.com/The Post-Standard. It reads a player "will be suspended from practice and competition for the number of events equaling a minimum of 50 percent of an academic year's competition regular schedule." Not sure but I don't think any schools in the SEC or even any in the ACC are suspending anyone 6 games in Football or 15 games in Basketball for a second offense = Ridiculous.
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Well since this thread was posted on both boards, my comments are related to basketball and our self reporting and the NCAA trouble. I could provide it to you or you could google it, but what I stated was our drug policy. Glad to see some teeth was put into it. The suspensions has been moved from 3rd offense to second. I could also provide you with links about the penalties at other schools and the suspensions coming with the first offense. Schools need to take it serious and most do even if some fans don't.
 
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SUbear said:
Following that kind of policy will hurt recruiting once its severity is used against us by our competitors, and believe me they will.
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What if ours is less strict?
 
CuseOnly said:
Our 2 DE's that are now suspended are suspended 50% of the season, 6 games for a second offense. Not sure where you are getting consulting from for a second offense. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...amir_ealey_failed_drug_tests_sources_say.html Directly from a copy of the policy: The players failed two drug tests, sources said. A second violation carries a suspension from practice and competition, according to a copy of the policy obtained by Syracuse.com/The Post-Standard. It reads a player "will be suspended from practice and competition for the number of events equaling a minimum of 50 percent of an academic year's competition regular schedule." Not sure but I don't think any schools in the SEC or even any in the ACC are suspending anyone 6 games in Football or 15 games in Basketball for a second offense = Ridiculous.
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And as promised, here's the article from this year about the drug policy related to the NCAA issues. You'll notice the change in the 2nd offense. Went from counseling who would decide if a player was "clean" to now being suspension for a percentage of games.
 
CuseOnly said:
Our 2 DE's that are now suspended are suspended 50% of the season, 6 games for a second offense. Not sure where you are getting consulting from for a second offense. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...amir_ealey_failed_drug_tests_sources_say.html Directly from a copy of the policy: The players failed two drug tests, sources said. A second violation carries a suspension from practice and competition, according to a copy of the policy obtained by Syracuse.com/The Post-Standard. It reads a player "will be suspended from practice and competition for the number of events equaling a minimum of 50 percent of an academic year's competition regular schedule." Not sure but I don't think any schools in the SEC or even any in the ACC are suspending anyone 6 games in Football or 15 games in Basketball for a second offense = Ridiculous.
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And as promised here is just one article of many about other schools. You're wrong about southern schools doing nothing. Their penalties are as harsh or harsher as ours.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ing-details-best-left-to-conferences-not-ncaa

Btw, you might be interested in a couple other things.

The NCAA has reduced to 1/2 season the suspension for failing an NCAA test when it involves pot. Mitch McGary says hello as does the Oregon WR who had to miss the NC game.

Of much interest is the NCAAs committee on drugs, brought forth a proposal to eliminate all testing for recreational drugs by the NCAA and leave it up to the schools. It was rejected by the schools presidents.
 
xc84 said:
Their policy should mimic the NCAA rules in this case...whatever they are. The bare minimum.
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I thought There isn't a specific NCAA policy, just a rule that says you have to follow your own policy.
 
Look at The Code of Student Conduct which is so out of touch that it lists safety violations in the category of Hazing and Bullying.
The structure of the university is becoming very corporate with lawyers writing policy that doesn't make sense on its face. This policy
we are discussing here is just onc example of many.
 

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