Symir Injury...

[SWC75]

But that would imply... the coach...

I'm as critical as anyone when there's a valid criticism to be made. Saying the coach isn't "able/willing" to get the job done or saying, (as was done a couple of weeks back) that he intentionally recruited a roster of players not as good as his sons to justify playing them as much as he does are not valid statements and I will say so. I also give credit where it's due so that when I criticize, it will have more meaning because it's the product of a balanced point of view.

 

[pearl31]

Saying the coach isn't "able/willing" to get the job done

Is the coach just a victim of bad luck, then? A whole, long series of circumstances beyond his control? Perhaps the team underperforming for 8 consecutive years is not really, truly within the purview of the coach? Or, perhaps in your esteemed view he actually has gotten the job done?
Please, I'd LOVE to be enlightened.

(And, again, you might want to consider whom this is getting real about what this program has become - I've defended the coach TO A FAULT in my many years as a fan and on this website.)

 

[djcon57]

I'm as critical as anyone when there's a valid criticism to be made. Saying the coach isn't "able/willing" to get the job done or saying, (as was done a couple of weeks back) that he intentionally recruited a roster of players not as good as his sons to justify playing them as much as he does are not valid statements and I will say so. I also give credit where it's due so that when I criticize, it will have more meaning because it's the product of a balanced point of view.

i personally don’t believe he recruited a roster of players not as good as his sons to justify playing them.

I do believe he recruited a short bench to avoid playing time complaints.

 

[SWC75]

i personally don’t believe he recruited a roster of players not as good as his sons to justify playing them.

I do believe he recruited a short bench to avoid playing time complaints.

I think he expected Guerrier, Braswell, Newton and Richmond to be here and thus only recruited Benny. When all of his forwards and Richmond left, he scrambled to fill the gap with Swider, Jimmy and Symir and found he couldn't get anybody else because they knew they were going to play behind his sons and Joe and they weren't going to transfer here to be reserves. It may to his advantage that his sons won't be on next year's team as potential further recruits won't be spooked by the name.

 

[JoeSU]

Jumped into the chin of Banchero and received a cut on his forehead. Potentially a concussion.

Even after watching the replays, it wasn't clear to me how Symir received a gash on his forehead after banging the back of his head into Banchero's chin. Was it from hitting the floor afterwards?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think he expected Guerrier, Braswell, Newton and Richmond to be here and thus only recruited Benny. When all of his forwards and Richmond left, he scrambled to fill the gap with Swider, Jimmy and Symir and found he couldn't get anybody else because they knew they were going to play behind his sons and Joe and they weren't going to transfer here to be reserves. It may to his advantage that his sons won't be on next year's team as potential further recruits won't be spooked by the name.

If 20 or so knowledgeable posters here knew KR and Woody were gone midway through last season, there’s simply no way that Jim didn’t. And he chose not to replace KR with someone of equal ability. I don’t believe he “couldn’t get anybody” he just didn’t. I’m guessing that he told other potential transfers that he had his starters at guard and transfers could fight for minutes in practice.

 

[pearl31]

If 20 or so knowledgeable posters here knew KR and Woody were gone midway through last season, there’s simply no way that Jim didn’t. And he chose not to replace KR with someone of equal ability. I don’t believe he “couldn’t get anybody” he just didn’t. I’m guessing that he told other potential transfers that he had his starters at guard and transfers could fight for minutes in practice.

Exactly. To accept the "we thought we'd have X, Y, and Z and then we didn't, so this is what we're stuck with" is to accept being gaslighted.

 

[orangencpolice]

I’m still trying to figure out how Banchero gave Symir head stitches & a potential concussion with his chin… & have simply nothing happen to him. No blood, no grabbing at his face/chin, no mouth issues, no concussion, it literally did nothing to him, dude just kept on playing.

P.S. it’s obviously ‘roids

Yeah, you would have thought that Banchero would have been the player that was seriously injured. Not a dig on Torrence, because he was obviously injured. I am willing to bet that Banchero could take a punch. Getting drilled in the chin with anything hurts and could potentially knock you out.

 

[orangemass]

I think he expected Guerrier, Braswell, Newton and Richmond to be here and thus only recruited Benny. When all of his forwards and Richmond left, he scrambled to fill the gap with Swider, Jimmy and Symir and found he couldn't get anybody else because they knew they were going to play behind his sons and Joe and they weren't going to transfer here to be reserves. It may to his advantage that his sons won't be on next year's team as potential further recruits won't be spooked by the name.

I disagree. Jimmy was coming here regardless. Guerrier braswell and newton saw it coming and bailed

 

[djcon57]

If 20 or so knowledgeable posters here knew KR and Woody were gone midway through last season, there’s simply no way that Jim didn’t. And he chose not to replace KR with someone of equal ability. I don’t believe he “couldn’t get anybody” he just didn’t. I’m guessing that he told other potential transfers that he had his starters at guard and transfers could fight for minutes in practice.

Correct. They picked up Symir knowing he couldn’t shoot and would prob play 10 mins a game max and closed up shop. Can’t tell me otherwise.

 

[SWC75]

Correct. They picked up Symir knowing he couldn’t shoot and would prob play 10 mins a game max and closed up shop. Can’t tell me otherwise.

And recruited Benny knowing he wasn't really the #32 recruit in the country.

 

[djcon57]

And recruited Benny knowing he wasn't really the #32 recruit in the country.

what does that have to do with getting 3 guards and 3 forwards?

i specifically said I think he got players he thought were good, he thought he’d be fine with 8 guys, playing the same two guards for 35 mins a game.

he wanted Joe to be the starting unquestioned PG for whatever reason and didn’t want to deal with the questions. Well, he got his wish

 

[SWC75]

what does that have to do with getting 3 guards and 3 forwards?

i specifically said I think he got players he thought were good, he thought he’d be fine with 8 guys, playing the same two guards for 35 mins a game.

he wanted Joe to be the starting unquestioned PG for whatever reason and didn’t want to deal with the questions. Well, he got his wish

The real difference between you and others who see it your way and me is that I don't believe that Jim Boeheim would consciously do anything to hurt the Syracuse University basketball program, even to promote his sons, (both of whom are very good college basketball players) and do you do believe that he would. It's character issue and I have too much respect for his character to agree with you.

 

[djcon57]

The real difference between you and others who see it your way and me is that I don't believe that Jim Boeheim would consciously do anything to hurt the Syracuse University basketball program, even to promote his sons, (both of whom are very good college basketball players) and do you do believe that he would. It's character issue and I have too much respect for his character to agree with you.

honest question...did you read my post?

let me type it out again: I believe Jim thought he would have a good team. He didn’t think he was consciously hurting the team.

 

[tbonezone]

Yeah, you would have thought that Banchero would have been the player that was seriously injured. Not a dig on Torrence, because he was obviously injured. I am willing to bet that Banchero could take a punch. Getting drilled in the chin with anything hurts and could potentially knock you out.

head cuts bleed a lot and look gruesome but typically aren't that serious. if there is a concussion issue that's a whole nuther story...we play monday. and yes it's hard to believe Banchero took the bobo brazil coco butt to the chin and walked away. one tough dude.

(edit. and can you imagine the Dukies rage if a su back up guard took out pablo ala trae young in a blowout game ?)

 

[MSOrange]

honest question...did you read my post?

let me type it out again: I believe Jim thought he would have a good team. He didn’t think he was consciously hurting the team.

Yep he completely whiffed on his evaulation of the talent.

 

[pearl31]

The real difference between you and others who see it your way and me is that I don't believe that Jim Boeheim would consciously do anything to hurt the Syracuse University basketball program, even to promote his sons, (both of whom are very good college basketball players) and do you do believe that he would. It's character issue and I have too much respect for his character to agree with you.

It's occurring to me that your arguments regarding Jim Boeheim and the current state of the basketball program are either significantly uninformed or not being made in good faith. I haven't seen anyone on this forum claim JB is trying to lose or hurt Syracuse basketball. It's like you can't or won't acknowledge a coach like JB can desire like mad to win every single game but at the same not not be able to do the things required to remain (Syracuse-level) successful.

 

[SBU72]

The real difference between you and others who see it your way and me is that I don't believe that Jim Boeheim would consciously do anything to hurt the Syracuse University basketball program, even to promote his sons, (both of whom are very good college basketball players) and do you do believe that he would. It's character issue and I have too much respect for his character to agree with you.

I'm with you. I can't believe that with JB's competitive nature that he would purposely hold the team down to showcase his sons. I believe that not only JB but many other coaches were caught completely off guard on the impact of the portal on college athletics. SU is not the only school hit hard by having so many kids including ones they were counting on leave. Bona lost as many or more than SU. They were picked to dominate and win the A10 but have struggled a bit with all the changes they had. When the portal hit is was to late to bring in new recruits. JB went with the ones he knew but alas that didn't work out so well.

 

[Ozone!]

Tough break for Symir!

Who replaces his ball handling for the rest of this season; Joe cannot go the entire game without a break! If it’s someone with lesser athletic talent, ball handling, ouch!

I’m not saying Symir is the point guard we need; he loves playing for Cuse and gives all he’s got each game.

 

[SWC75]

honest question...did you read my post?

let me type it out again: I believe Jim thought he would have a good team. He didn’t think he was consciously hurting the team.

So do I. I guess I'm lumping you together with those who believe that Jim didn't recruit competition at those positions to clear the way for his sons. If that's wrong, I apologize.

 

[SWC75]

It's occurring to me that your arguments regarding Jim Boeheim and the current state of the basketball program are either significantly uninformed or not being made in good faith. I haven't seen anyone on this forum claim JB is trying to lose or hurt Syracuse basketball. It's like you can't or won't acknowledge a coach like JB can desire like mad to win every single game but at the same not not be able to do the things required to remain (Syracuse-level) successful.

They are claiming that he declined to recruit better players in order to showcase his sons and lacked the ability and will to do the things necessary to give us a strong team. You can question his judgement but not his commitment to the program.

 

[orangemass]

It's occurring to me that your arguments regarding Jim Boeheim and the current state of the basketball program are either significantly uninformed or not being made in good faith. I haven't seen anyone on this forum claim JB is trying to lose or hurt Syracuse basketball. It's like you can't or won't acknowledge a coach like JB can desire like mad to win every single game but at the same not not be able to do the things required to remain (Syracuse-level) successful.

Agree. Jb is stubborn and it has come back to bite him

 

[UD1954]

With the Portal in play kids just aren't going to accept limited playing time.... Boehiem is stubborn which is going to lead to a lot of roster turnover as long as he coaches in my opinion. Coaches today are treading a fine line between a kid's dreams and winning and l question Boehiem's ability to adjust.

 

[Sherman20]

The real difference between you and others who see it your way and me is that I don't believe that Jim Boeheim would consciously do anything to hurt the Syracuse University basketball program, even to promote his sons, (both of whom are very good college basketball players) and do you do believe that he would. It's character issue and I have too much respect for his character to agree with you.

I’m with you on that view, and I know that a lot don’t agree. I just can’t believe he’d go with a smaller roster so his sons could play 35+mpg and somehow inoculate himself from criticism over playing time. I believe he simply made a very poor judgement call (one in a long line lately) that this roster could overcome the athleticism deficit, and he didn’t use the portal to its full advantage.

 

[tbonezone]

They are claiming that he declined to recruit better players in order to showcase his sons and lacked the ability and will to do the things necessary to give us a strong team. You can question his judgement but not his commitment to the program.

well loyalty to his boys is a one off. piss poor player evaluation can't be fixed at his age. which is worse ?