Syracuse’s Roster Build - Archetypes

[Orangezoo]

The reason I’m so optimistic with this roster is George can make everyone better. He allows guys to play a role and not worry about creating. Kyle and Souare individually aren’t excellent offensively but George’s passing will led to easy dunks.

Having a true point guard (one of the best in the country) will elevate everyone’s game

This is the key. A true PG is a coach on the floor. Pair that with a shot blocker( or two) who can erase the mistakes on the other end.

These two things on their own don’t guarantee wins but they go a long ways into allowing for a larger margin of error ( including coaching but within limitations). They also reduce the number offensive possessions that are wasted because of a turnover or inability to get a decent shot and the number of defensive possessions where you give up an unchallenged shot around the rim. Both of these things have been a lingering issue in our struggles in the first two years under Red.

 

[CardiacCuse]

We had a low post scorer this year and how did that work out? He was physical but horrible on defense. Give me athletic bigs with length, who can move their feet all day long. This team should have a lot of flexibility on defense.

i mean...where do I start with this post?

a low post scorer as an entire offense is not something ...where did I say that?

rim protection and inside scoring are not either/or in center play...what are you even saying???

its better to have inside scoring than not. and i think an offense that cannot score inside will be much easier to defend and have a lower ceiling than championship caliber. almost every single championship caliber team can score inside, imo

there have definitely been years when the team couldnt score inside and it hurt a lot...like with the boeheim bros years, for example. there have been others. they had 3 point shooters but could barely get open looks bc there wasnt any inside threat to keep teams honest. and the guards couldnt [enetrate...the offense was okay but couldve been much better with all of that shooting.

you need multiple ways to hurt teams...penetration, inside scoring, 3 pt shooting, etc

if a team cannot hurt you inside you play tight on the perimeter and 3pt shooting suffers...

In today’s game, most teams don’t feature a back to the basket low post offense. It’s more common to utilize pick and rolls, passing out of the post, high/low and lobs. This isn’t to say a low post scoring presence isn’t valuable but many teams chose to focus on different styles of offense that don’t include frequent low post scoring.

Eddie Lampkin was our most consistent player last year but I can see a world where William Kyle averages more points per game just strictly based on style of play (transition, lobs, pick and roll with an exceptional PG)

they make it work bc they dont have that guy down low

but how many teams in the country are turning down guys like edey, bacot, clingan, etc etc???

NONE.

 

[Orangezoo]

i mean...where do I start with this post?

a low post scorer as an entire offense is not something ...where did I say that?

rim protection and inside scoring are not either/or in center play...what are you even saying???

its better to have inside scoring than not. and i think an offense that cannot score inside will be much easier to defend and have a lower ceiling than championship caliber. almost every single championship caliber team can score inside, imo

there have definitely been years when the team couldnt score inside and it hurt a lot...like with the boeheim bros years, for example. there have been others. they had 3 point shooters but could barely get open looks bc there wasnt any inside threat to keep teams honest. and the guards couldnt [enetrate...the offense was okay but couldve been much better with all of that shooting.

you need multiple ways to hurt teams...penetration, inside scoring, 3 pt shooting, etc

if a team cannot hurt you inside you play tight on the perimeter and 3pt shooting suffers...

they make it work bc they dont have that guy down low

but how many teams in the country are turning down guys like edey, bacot, clingan, etc etc???

NONE.

You keep referencing elite low post guys when you re engage on this argument. That’s the whole issue. There are a limited number of these types of centers out there that are both taller, have a long wingspan and are capable low post scorers while not being a liability on defense.

Guys who can play back to the basket in a traditional sense are rare. Most bigs get theirs on lobs, the offensive glass or a dump off pass. Very few are out there giving you a traditional look backing their man down.

Teams with good point guards and bigs that can finish well around the rim give you low post scoring options. Often it’s the playmaking and vision that comes from guard play that leads to easy buckets which isn’t factored in enough when it comes to getting buckets around the rim.

Kyle showed the ability to catch on the low block and get a bucket a couple times a game at SDS. That’s as much as you get from a big in the post these days that’s true low post offense outside the elite guys to start the conversation.

 

[CardiacCuse]

You keep referencing elite low post guys when you re engage on this argument. That’s the whole issue. There are a limited number of these types of centers out there that are both taller, have a long wingspan and are capable low post scorers while not being a liability on defense.

Guys who can play back to the basket in a traditional sense are rare. Most bigs get theirs on lobs, the offensive glass or a dump off pass. Very few are out there giving you a traditional look backing their man down.

Teams with good point guards and bigs that can finish well around the rim give you low post scoring options. Often it’s the playmaking and vision that comes from guard play that leads to easy buckets which isn’t factored in enough when it comes to getting buckets around the rim.

Kyle showed the ability to catch on the low block and get a bucket a couple times a game at SDS. That’s as much as you get from a big in the post these days that’s true low post offense outside the elite guys to start the conversation.

i dont think bigs who can shoot and score are that rare...i mean kyle was 3rd string behind 2 at ucla last year. clemson had one last year that was shooting 3s. same with stanford had a skilled big.

and rim protecting bigs are a dime a dozen, imo

i get it that you wanna be pragmatic and "realistic" given how far the program has fallen...but im just going with the basics...tall player who can score and defend...its not as rare as you claim.


i really hope im wrong about this...and the 69ers are good...but im doubtful.


i dont know if you truly believe that the center position is truly fine...or if you just wanna argue that this is the best we can do so deal with it ...or what...but im surprised everyone seems to be on-board with the center corps. im just surprised.

my suspiscion around all of this is that the target is merely to be adequate next year and not go for it all...and i dont like it. keep red his job and do just good enough for that instead of really try to be great.

 

[CuseSaint26]

i mean...where do I start with this post?

a low post scorer as an entire offense is not something ...where did I say that?

rim protection and inside scoring are not either/or in center play...what are you even saying???

its better to have inside scoring than not. and i think an offense that cannot score inside will be much easier to defend and have a lower ceiling than championship caliber. almost every single championship caliber team can score inside, imo

there have definitely been years when the team couldnt score inside and it hurt a lot...like with the boeheim bros years, for example. there have been others. they had 3 point shooters but could barely get open looks bc there wasnt any inside threat to keep teams honest. and the guards couldnt [enetrate...the offense was okay but couldve been much better with all of that shooting.

you need multiple ways to hurt teams...penetration, inside scoring, 3 pt shooting, etc

if a team cannot hurt you inside you play tight on the perimeter and 3pt shooting suffers...

they make it work bc they dont have that guy down low

but how many teams in the country are turning down guys like edey, bacot, clingan, etc etc???

NONE.

Low Post scoring and Inside scoring aren’t the same (at least to me)…low post implies back to the basket and I’d argue that modern teams rarely use this approach. Inside scoring is pick and roll, lobs, put back offensive rebounds. Syracuse has inside scoring threats on this year’s team

Edey, Bacot and Clingan are all outstanding players that any team would be thrilled to have but ironically, were home grown players that never entered the transfer portal. Due to what Centers demand in the transfer portal, it’s better to recruit high school guys that develop. If you don’t have that option, positionally versatile guys work better in the portal (ie William Kyle, Souare)

Look at last year’s portal, Oumar Ballo was the top rated center and went to Indiana. This was their best portal pickup and I’m sure they paid a hefty sum. Indiana finishes middle of the Big Ten, Ballo averaged 13 ppg and 9 rebounds. Indiana severely lacked playermakers.

My point isn’t to say he’s a bad player or Syracuse wouldn’t have been lucky to have him but it’s an outdated approach to focus recruiting on a Center in the transfer portal given the $$$ they demand

Teams that have an insane NIL budget can recruit the type of center you refer to as a luxury but not as a necessity. Otherwise, money is better spent on playmakers, shooters and 3&D type of players

 

[Niastri]

i mean...where do I start with this post?

a low post scorer as an entire offense is not something ...where did I say that?

rim protection and inside scoring are not either/or in center play...what are you even saying???

its better to have inside scoring than not. and i think an offense that cannot score inside will be much easier to defend and have a lower ceiling than championship caliber. almost every single championship caliber team can score inside, imo

there have definitely been years when the team couldnt score inside and it hurt a lot...like with the boeheim bros years, for example. there have been others. they had 3 point shooters but could barely get open looks bc there wasnt any inside threat to keep teams honest. and the guards couldnt [enetrate...the offense was okay but couldve been much better with all of that shooting.

you need multiple ways to hurt teams...penetration, inside scoring, 3 pt shooting, etc

if a team cannot hurt you inside you play tight on the perimeter and 3pt shooting suffers...

they make it work bc they dont have that guy down low

but how many teams in the country are turning down guys like edey, bacot, clingan, etc etc???

NONE.

I think you two are arguing over a moot point. Freeman is a very good post player, maybe too good to be guarded by most power forwards. We all are so excited about his perimeter skills that we forgot his full skill set.

He was a top50 recruit based on his post skills before he developed the handle and perimeter shooting. He shot up the rankings from mid 40’s to 8th overall his senior year because of his offensive versatility. But as a post player, Freeman is pretty much Rick Jackson. He’s the guy we can send into the post if we are struggling in scoring other ways.

I’m not convinced Kyle is incompetent there either. UCLA absolutely misused him, but Kyle was quite good at South Dakota State. He showed some skill in those highlights, he didn’t just big boy the mid majors, like you might expect.

Best of all, we have a bunch of perimeter players who have actually been coached to feed the post. George to Kyle might be a frequent play by play call this year, and not just on alley oop passes.

 

[hoopsupstate]

i mean...where do I start with this post?

a low post scorer as an entire offense is not something ...where did I say that?

rim protection and inside scoring are not either/or in center play...what are you even saying???

its better to have inside scoring than not. and i think an offense that cannot score inside will be much easier to defend and have a lower ceiling than championship caliber. almost every single championship caliber team can score inside, imo

there have definitely been years when the team couldnt score inside and it hurt a lot...like with the boeheim bros years, for example. there have been others. they had 3 point shooters but could barely get open looks bc there wasnt any inside threat to keep teams honest. and the guards couldnt [enetrate...the offense was okay but couldve been much better with all of that shooting.

you need multiple ways to hurt teams...penetration, inside scoring, 3 pt shooting, etc

if a team cannot hurt you inside you play tight on the perimeter and 3pt shooting suffers...

they make it work bc they dont have that guy down low

but how many teams in the country are turning down guys like edey, bacot, clingan, etc etc???

NONE.

How many of them are actually out there. Basically none!

 

[CardiacCuse]

Low Post scoring and Inside scoring aren’t the same (at least to me)…low post implies back to the basket and I’d argue that modern teams rarely use this approach. Inside scoring is pick and roll, lobs, put back offensive rebounds. Syracuse has inside scoring threats on this year’s team

Edey, Bacot and Clingan are all outstanding players that any team would be thrilled to have but ironically, were home grown players that never entered the transfer portal. Due to what Centers demand in the transfer portal, it’s better to recruit high school guys that develop. If you don’t have that option, positionally versatile guys work better in the portal (ie William Kyle, Souare)

Look at last year’s portal, Oumar Ballo was the top rated center and went to Indiana. This was their best portal pickup and I’m sure they paid a hefty sum. Indiana finishes middle of the Big Ten, Ballo averaged 13 ppg and 9 rebounds. Indiana severely lacked playermakers.

My point isn’t to say he’s a bad player or Syracuse wouldn’t have been lucky to have him but it’s an outdated approach to focus recruiting on a Center in the transfer portal given the $$$ they demand

Teams that have an insane NIL budget can recruit the type of center you refer to as a luxury but not as a necessity. Otherwise, money is better spent on playmakers, shooters and 3&D type of players

1. there were roughly 150 centers that avg double figures last season! finding a scoring center is really not that hard.

i will be flabbergasted if either "center" we have reaches that next year.

2. this is the portal era- roster rebuild every season - BUT this is also the cumulative effect of picking up guys like patterson, keeping hima, carey, keeping mcleod, getting burned by jesse...yeah its hard to find the jesse edwards of the world...but it aint that hard...maliq brown was a 3 star...edwards was not heavily recruited...you dont only have to build through the portal...you can find lesser known talents. in year 3 of autry era...his eye for talent has been weak af

3. there were roughly 150 centers that averaged double figures last season in ncaabb. 150! and youre insisting that syracuse just cant have one of them bc its too expensive. gmafb

4. this narrative/dichotomy thats its either center or pG ...pick one...is bogus and im not buying it no matter how many of you try to sell it to me.

5. there were 150 centers in ncabb that averaged double figure scoring last season in ncaabb...plenty of tall guys that can socre that are out there

6. theres also international players out there...that would actually be my preference any way for a center

 

[CuseSaint26]

1. there were roughly 150 centers that avg double figures last season! finding a scoring center is really not that hard.

i will be flabbergasted if either "center" we have reaches that next year.

2. this is the portal era- roster rebuild every season - BUT this is also the cumulative effect of picking up guys like patterson, keeping hima, carey, keeping mcleod, getting burned by jesse...yeah its hard to find the jesse edwards of the world...but it aint that hard...maliq brown was a 3 star...edwards was not heavily recruited...you dont only have to build through the portal...you can find lesser known talents. in year 3 of autry era...his eye for talent has been weak af

3. there were roughly 150 centers that averaged double figures last season in ncaabb. 150! and youre insisting that syracuse just cant have one of them bc its too expensive. gmafb

4. this narrative/dichotomy thats its either center or pG ...pick one...is bogus and im not buying it no matter how many of you try to sell it to me.

5. there were 150 centers in ncabb that averaged double figure scoring last season in ncaabb...plenty of tall guys that can socre that are out there

6. theres also international players out there...that would actually be my preference any way for a center

There is no question that having a good center benefits a basketball team but I think where we differ is that building a roster through the transfer portal and making the center the “big fish” leads to an overall weaker roster, especially in today’s game.

If you need evidence of this, look at Syracuse’s roster from last year. Eddie Lampkin was where we allocated the majority of our NIL funds and he wasn’t a difference maker despite being a good player. We’ll see how this year plays out but Nait George, on paper, seems like a difference maker with the potential to make every single player better than if George wasn’t on the roster.

I’m sure we can agree that we both want Syracuse to be really good next year and I feel like the staff has constructed a roster that will be far superior to the one we had last year, mainly because of they’ve addressed the various roles that comprise a great team and have gotten guys that will willingly fill them, even if they don’t average 10ppg. (Side Note: Maybe William Kyle will average 10ppg and Kline sees the potential based on the skill set and not just based on previous production)

 

[Orangezoo]

1. there were roughly 150 centers that avg double figures last season! finding a scoring center is really not that hard.

i will be flabbergasted if either "center" we have reaches that next year.

2. this is the portal era- roster rebuild every season - BUT this is also the cumulative effect of picking up guys like patterson, keeping hima, carey, keeping mcleod, getting burned by jesse...yeah its hard to find the jesse edwards of the world...but it aint that hard...maliq brown was a 3 star...edwards was not heavily recruited...you dont only have to build through the portal...you can find lesser known talents. in year 3 of autry era...his eye for talent has been weak af

3. there were roughly 150 centers that averaged double figures last season in ncaabb. 150! and youre insisting that syracuse just cant have one of them bc its too expensive. gmafb

4. this narrative/dichotomy thats its either center or pG ...pick one...is bogus and im not buying it no matter how many of you try to sell it to me.

5. there were 150 centers in ncabb that averaged double figure scoring last season in ncaabb...plenty of tall guys that can socre that are out there

6. theres also international players out there...that would actually be my preference any way for a center

Total honesty man but you are all over the map on this and keep bouncing all over. One day it’s a center that does it all the next it’s just a double digit scoring center then the next it’s a post scoring center and every time there is a counter point you move the goalposts again.

 

[Red2003]

1. there were roughly 150 centers that avg double figures last season! finding a scoring center is really not that hard.

i will be flabbergasted if either "center" we have reaches that next year.

2. this is the portal era- roster rebuild every season - BUT this is also the cumulative effect of picking up guys like patterson, keeping hima, carey, keeping mcleod, getting burned by jesse...yeah its hard to find the jesse edwards of the world...but it aint that hard...maliq brown was a 3 star...edwards was not heavily recruited...you dont only have to build through the portal...you can find lesser known talents. in year 3 of autry era...his eye for talent has been weak af

3. there were roughly 150 centers that averaged double figures last season in ncaabb. 150! and youre insisting that syracuse just cant have one of them bc its too expensive. gmafb

4. this narrative/dichotomy thats its either center or pG ...pick one...is bogus and im not buying it no matter how many of you try to sell it to me.

5. there were 150 centers in ncabb that averaged double figure scoring last season in ncaabb...plenty of tall guys that can socre that are out there

6. theres also international players out there...that would actually be my preference any way for a center

Federicko Federicko is getting paid a million dollars. That’s what a million dollar center looks like right now in the portal. It’s one thing to go overseas or to pick up a project center for depth no one will have an issue with that.

I just don’t think you have an idea what centers cost.

 

[Hopkins16]

The archetype of each player seems accurate and hopefully, each guy on the team understand their strengths and role. With regard to the low post/post conversation, I don’t think that we need a particular player, typically a center, to fill that role. It should come into play with matchups. For instance, you put a small guy on Freeman he should take advantage of that in the post. JJ was good at that last season when a small guard was on him. Versatility and skill level will allow an offensive player to recognize when and how to manipulate a matchup.

 

[Niastri]

The archetype of each player seems accurate and hopefully, each guy on the team understand their strengths and role. With regard to the low post/post conversation, I don’t think that we need a particular player, typically a center, to fill that role. It should come into play with matchups. For instance, you put a small guy on Freeman he should take advantage of that in the post. JJ was good at that last season when a small guard was on him. Versatility and skill level will allow an offensive player to recognize when and how to manipulate a matchup.

Matchup offense was something I felt we didn’t do well last season. Especially with Lampkin. Lampkin was often being guarded by guys 50+ pounds lighter than he. Yet, we would have him setting picks, on ball screens or handoffs out past the three point line.

If Lampkin handed the ball to Starling 30 feet from the basket, he’d still be 15 feet away by the time Starling needed him. Lampkin should have played all season long like he played in the NCAA Tournament game against Florida. Lampkin played bully ball all game. That poor 240lb freshman center for Florida looked like he wanted to cry by the end. But we rarely used Lampkin that way.

On those dribble handoffs next season, Kyle will be right there with Starling, though….

 

[Cusefan0307]

1. there were roughly 150 centers that avg double figures last season! finding a scoring center is really not that hard.

i will be flabbergasted if either "center" we have reaches that next year.

2. this is the portal era- roster rebuild every season - BUT this is also the cumulative effect of picking up guys like patterson, keeping hima, carey, keeping mcleod, getting burned by jesse...yeah its hard to find the jesse edwards of the world...but it aint that hard...maliq brown was a 3 star...edwards was not heavily recruited...you dont only have to build through the portal...you can find lesser known talents. in year 3 of autry era...his eye for talent has been weak af

3. there were roughly 150 centers that averaged double figures last season in ncaabb. 150! and youre insisting that syracuse just cant have one of them bc its too expensive. gmafb

4. this narrative/dichotomy thats its either center or pG ...pick one...is bogus and im not buying it no matter how many of you try to sell it to me.

5. there were 150 centers in ncabb that averaged double figure scoring last season in ncaabb...plenty of tall guys that can socre that are out there

6. theres also international players out there...that would actually be my preference any way for a center

I really enjoyed that National Championship game this year when Houston and Florida took turns dumping it to their bigs in the post.

Ahhh that's right Florida's center had all of 3 points and 5 rebounds while Houston's tallest guy at 6'8" played a total of 16 minutes.

In the SEC(widely known as the strongest conference last year) the highest scoring center was Cliff Omuruyi who averaged 7.9ppg.

Florida's starting center averaged 6 and Auburn's 5. Two final four teams. Those schools all valued defense in their center more than post play. That's what Red and Kline are doing here with Kyle.

 

[Grbac]

I don’t see the need for a back to the basket Center. The way our roster is constructed we will be a running team not a half court set team.
Transition, run and gun, pressure, etc. You can’t do that with a big doughboy at the 5. A guy like William Kyle is perfect for that style. He can fly up and down the court and has elite athleticism for a big. The traditional Centers won’t be able to hang with him.
I’ve warmed up to Kyle and think he will be outstanding. Reminds me of Clint Capela.

 

[Hopkins16]

I don’t see the need for a back to the basket Center. The way our roster is constructed we will be a running team not a half court set team.
Transition, run and gun, pressure, etc. You can’t do that with a big doughboy at the 5. A guy like William Kyle is perfect for that style. He can fly up and down the court and has elite athleticism for a big. The traditional Centers won’t be able to hang with him.
I’ve warmed up to Kyle and think he will be outstanding. Reminds me of Clint Capela.

I hope you are right. We’ve seen a lot of centers with the athleticism and speed to fly up and down the court, but can’t finish at the basket, much less have the hands to secure the ball. It looks easy but is much harder to do. Practice, practice, practice and training - hands strengthening and eye ball coordination.

 

[CardiacCuse]

There is no question that having a good center benefits a basketball team but I think where we differ is that building a roster through the transfer portal and making the center the “big fish” leads to an overall weaker roster, especially in today’s game.

If you need evidence of this, look at Syracuse’s roster from last year. Eddie Lampkin was where we allocated the majority of our NIL funds and he wasn’t a difference maker despite being a good player. We’ll see how this year plays out but Nait George, on paper, seems like a difference maker with the potential to make every single player better than if George wasn’t on the roster.

I’m sure we can agree that we both want Syracuse to be really good next year and I feel like the staff has constructed a roster that will be far superior to the one we had last year, mainly because of they’ve addressed the various roles that comprise a great team and have gotten guys that will willingly fill them, even if they don’t average 10ppg. (Side Note: Maybe William Kyle will average 10ppg and Kline sees the potential based on the skill set and not just based on previous production)

1. i dont want the team to allocate a majority of funds on center at the expense of the other positions, especially pg. i dont think it is easy to get both great pg and center...but i also even more strongly dont think it is either/or...as is being argued by many at the moment...

missing for 3 straight years on the "project" centers on the roster...comes home to roost eventually...theres many ways to build a roster, even in the portal era. so i dont buy the narrative that the portal determines everything about roster building.

2. lampkin's uasge was criminally low. part of that was not having a legit pg. part of that was scheme and playcalling. eddie wouldve averaged close to 20 if i was the coach...he was very rarely stopped by opposing centers...it was simply a matter of low volume and the team barely being able to get him the ball! on that note, im worried that autry wont know how to use a deep roster and will try to spread volume evenly to be "fair" while failing to take advantage of mismatches and areas to exploit. we have seen that already in both of reds seasons, imo

3. like i said, i agree this roster is better than reds first 2...but a fast horse needs a good jockey...so we have to see what happens on the court regardless of talent level. talent matters. a lot. but if the coach doesnt use it properly, a team can still fail when it shouldnt

 

[CuseSaint26]

1. i dont want the team to allocate a majority of funds on center at the expense of the other positions, especially pg. i dont think it is easy to get both great pg and center...but i also even more strongly dont think it is either/or...as is being argued by many at the moment...

missing for 3 straight years on the "project" centers on the roster...comes home to roost eventually...theres many ways to build a roster, even in the portal era. so i dont buy the narrative that the portal determines everything about roster building.

2. lampkin's uasge was criminally low. part of that was not having a legit pg. part of that was scheme and playcalling. eddie wouldve averaged close to 20 if i was the coach...he was very rarely stopped by opposing centers...it was simply a matter of low volume and the team barely being able to get him the ball! on that note, im worried that autry wont know how to use a deep roster and will try to spread volume evenly to be "fair" while failing to take advantage of mismatches and areas to exploit. we have seen that already in both of reds seasons, imo

3. like i said, i agree this roster is better than reds first 2...but a fast horse needs a good jockey...so we have to see what happens on the court regardless of talent level. talent matters. a lot. but if the coach doesnt use it properly, a team can still fail when it shouldnt

Just out of curiosity, who is the center available in this year’s transfer portal that you wanted Syracuse to pick up? If it’s easier, the three guys who would have satisfied you. Fair point about the “project centers” being misses recently

The point in the question isn’t to trap you and say “see, we weren’t even connected to the guys you wanted so it isn’t realistic” but by naming names, you may realize Kyle/Souare are better or at minimum, better value with high potential

 

[CardiacCuse]

Just out of curiosity, who is the center available in this year’s transfer portal that you wanted Syracuse to pick up? If it’s easier, the three guys who would have satisfied you. Fair point about the “project centers” being misses recently

The point in the question isn’t to trap you and say “see, we weren’t even connected to the guys you wanted so it isn’t realistic” but by naming names, you may realize Kyle/Souare are better or at minimum, better value with high potential

i mean i dont follow the sport well enough to name names...I just watch the SU games...

but it seems the opponent almost always has better centers the last years even when playing like a colgate or someone...it boggles the mind.

and getting someone like jesse edwards for example...i;d be totally cool with trying to find the next jesse internationally

kyle/suare give me carlos vibes...i thought they were signed as the backups not the starters

 

[Orangezoo]

i mean i dont follow the sport well enough to name names...I just watch the SU games...

but it seems the opponent almost always has better centers the last years even when playing like a colgate or someone...it boggles the mind.

and getting someone like jesse edwards for example...i;d be totally cool with trying to find the next jesse internationally

kyle/suare give me carlos vibes...i thought they were signed as the backups not the starters

We faced about 9 or 10 traditional centers all year and only a few meet the requirements you have been outlining. A good chunk of them had poor games a couple had great games and the rest in the middle. The rest of the year we faced teams running taller forwards playing the 5 in the mold of guys like Kyle and Souare.

Just go back and look at the box scores and rosters.

 

[CuseSaint26]

i mean i dont follow the sport well enough to name names...I just watch the SU games...

but it seems the opponent almost always has better centers the last years even when playing like a colgate or someone...it boggles the mind.

and getting someone like jesse edwards for example...i;d be totally cool with trying to find the next jesse internationally

kyle/suare give me carlos vibes...i thought they were signed as the backups not the starters

Understood, it wasn’t meant to be a “gotcha” question. I feel pretty good about how Kyle/Souare fit our roster but we’ll see how it all comes together. It’s also possible we add another center that is more traditional but I do think Kyle get the majority of center minutes.

 

[CardiacCuse]

We faced about 9 or 10 traditional centers all year and only a few meet the requirements you have been outlining. A good chunk of them had poor games a couple had great games and the rest in the middle. The rest of the year we faced teams running taller forwards playing the 5 in the mold of guys like Kyle and Souare.

Just go back and look at the box scores and rosters.

last year we had lampkin

im referencing the last 5 years or so...(and further back than that even)

 

[DomeHolmes]

Very interesting post... where did the team outline come from?

I am very excited for this team... had a few thoughts.

- In my opinion, I think Fennell has a better and quicker shot than Kingz and will fill that "Movement Shooter" role, while Kingz is the 3&D wing. Kingz is like Chris Bell, in that he takes a while to release the ball- it looks to me like Kingz needs to be wide open. Luckily he looks to be a quicker, more intense and explosive athlete than Bell... but to me, Fennell shoots it much quicker. He releases the ball higher and I think will have much more gravity as time goes on, because if he gets any space at all he can shoot it right in people's faces.

- Sadiq hopefully can be a 'lockdown wing'... but he is young and doesn't really seem to be a lockdown defender, no? He may be our 'roll man' instead? Just on his youth alone, physically and experience-wise, the lockdown defender is a tough role to fill for him. TO me, he's more of a great athlete and talent, but if he can defend the opponent's best players at an elite level as a freshman, that would be very impressive.

- Also, I'd say Donnie and Kiyan are both 'Iso Gods' who can score from all three levels and make 80%+ free throws, and I can't wait to watch them.

- I think the Cuse fan base has been cautious and hesitant to celebrate how awesome Kiyan is going to be, but the time is coming soon now.

The “movement shooter” might not be on our team.

Buddy, Andy, Gmac, Battle, Hughes, JG3, even Cooney just needed a tiny window while moving laterally to square up and get a quality shot.

Even great players like Waiters and Triche were shooters (and downhill guys), but not necessarily “movement shooters”.

Many very good shooting wings like White, Sutherland, Nichols, etc. also, were not movement shooters.

I like Kingz, but his highlight reel did not really show him scoring off screens and curls. We know JJ isn’t that guy, so maybe it’s Fennell or Kiyan if at all.

 

[baggerbob]

We faced about 9 or 10 traditional centers all year and only a few meet the requirements you have been outlining. A good chunk of them had poor games a couple had great games and the rest in the middle. The rest of the year we faced teams running taller forwards playing the 5 in the mold of guys like Kyle and Souare.

Just go back and look at the box scores and rosters.

And if we had someone like DC playing center everyone of those guys would have fouled out before the game was over. DC would have averaged 20+ points 12+ rebounds 3+ blocks playing about 25 minutes a game. And if he had a sidekick like Owen's they would have dominated everyone.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]