Syracuse 10,000 point NBA players

[Brooky03]

really is rather mind numbing to see how few players we actually have in the big league period.

Big picture, we were running red hot in terms of getting players drafted for so long that we were probably overdue for regression.

 

[CusefanATL]

Jerami at 9947. Hasn’t played since scoring 20 on 12/18 due to Achilles tendinitis. We can’t have another Rony Seikaly.

 

[satsuma]

we have 3 total. Jerami Grant is kind of likely going to be #4. But how bad are his knees?

This list... is not great.


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This is a great table, but in my opinion, you highlighted the wrong column.

I believe there's one simple career stat that says more about a player's NBA value than anything else, and it's minutes played.

Scoring is conditional on so many things: coaches, offensive sets, teammates, and so on. Looking only at individual point totals might penalize players who specialize in other things (assists, for example) that are just as valuable in a team sport.

Minutes are more straightforward: you're on the court because you're healthy and can contribute, whether you're a starter or a reserve. I guess players on bad teams might play more minutes out of necessity, but in general, it's not a number that can be easily skewed.

Sports fans never really talk about career minutes, so when I say that Jerami Grant has played over 20,000 minutes in his NBA career, what does that actually mean? That's not a milestone that gets celebrated, though maybe it should. Based on this table, it means he's 7th among former Syracuse players.

For better context, you'd probably want to compare him to other players who've been in the league as long as he has.

 

[CusefanATL]

This is a great table, but in my opinion, you highlighted the wrong column.

I believe there's one simple career stat that says more about a player's NBA value than anything else, and it's minutes played.

Scoring is conditional on so many things: coaches, offensive sets, teammates, and so on. Looking only at individual point totals might penalize players who specialize in other things (assists, for example) that are just as valuable in a team sport.

Minutes are more straightforward: you're on the court because you're healthy and can contribute, whether you're a starter or a reserve. I guess players on bad teams might play more minutes out of necessity, but in general, it's not a number that can be easily skewed.

Sports fans never really talk about career minutes, so when I say that Jerami Grant has played over 20,000 minutes in his NBA career, what does that actually mean? That's not a milestone that gets celebrated, though maybe it should. Based on this table, it means he's 7th among former Syracuse players.

For better context, you'd probably want to compare him to other players who've been in the league as long as he has.

Rationally, i agree with everything you said.

but from a fan point of view, people care about production. and in that case I want Syracuse players to get 10k+ points

 

[Entropic]

I was just poking through some the names like McCullough, Grant, MCW and Lydon. I know there are more but I'm too lazy to look it up right now. Are we one of the only schools that lost guys fairly consistently after their freshmen/sophomore year when they averages like 10 points a game? I would understand, lottery pick, averaged 25 a game, etc.

Leaving prematurely to be a 2nd round pick rather than staying longer and building your status seems to me, to indicate guys didn't like being in the program. Maybe it happens at all the blue bloods (which I still considered us during those years)?

 

[DoctahLexus]

I was just poking through some the names like McCullough, Grant, MCW and Lydon. I know there are more but I'm too lazy to look it up right now. Are we one of the only schools that lost guys fairly consistently after their freshmen/sophomore year when they averages like 10 points a game? I would understand, lottery pick, averaged 25 a game, etc.

Leaving prematurely to be a 2nd round pick rather than staying longer and building your status seems to me, to indicate guys didn't like being in the program. Maybe it happens at all the blue bloods (which I still considered us during those years)?

It is in your best interest to enter the league as early as possible. A junior or senior from college entering the league is already considered on the older side with a lower ceiling. If you can get drafted on your potential as a young player that is your best chance at making some money in the league. "Staying longer and building your status" is not really a thing. You build status by entering the draft and playing against the very best.

We are far from being the only school to lose guys with potential early. Also three of the four names you mentioned were first rounders. Guys enter the draft in an attempt to get paid, not because they hate the program.

 

[Cheriehoop]

It is in your best interest to enter the league as early as possible. A junior or senior from college entering the league is already considered on the older side with a lower ceiling. If you can get drafted on your potential as a young player that is your best chance at making some money in the league. "Staying longer and building your status" is not really a thing. You build status by entering the draft and playing against the very best.

We are far from being the only school to lose guys with potential early. Also three of the four names you mentioned were first rounders. Guys enter the draft in an attempt to get paid, not because they hate the program.

Wonder if that mindset, ‘the leave early to get paid’ especially for players in the lower 1st round and 2nd round, could change now with some of the exorbitant $ being earned in college with NIL?

 

[Entropic]

It is in your best interest to enter the league as early as possible. A junior or senior from college entering the league is already considered on the older side with a lower ceiling. If you can get drafted on your potential as a young player that is your best chance at making some money in the league. "Staying longer and building your status" is not really a thing. You build status by entering the draft and playing against the very best.

We are far from being the only school to lose guys with potential early. Also three of the four names you mentioned were first rounders. Guys enter the draft in an attempt to get paid, not because they hate the program.

No I get that part but isn't the money pretty different between 24th pick and top 10? Lydon going at 29th and fizzling out immediately. Maybe finish out your degree move up to the top 15 and make millions more? Too much risk maybe?

 

[ar inj]

No I get that part but isn't the money pretty different between 24th pick and top 10? Lydon going at 29th and fizzling out immediately. Maybe finish out your degree move up to the top 15 and make millions more? Too much risk maybe?

Need to get to the second contract as soon as possible. That is where the real money is.

 

[Brooky03]

No I get that part but isn't the money pretty different between 24th pick and top 10? Lydon going at 29th and fizzling out immediately. Maybe finish out your degree move up to the top 15 and make millions more? Too much risk maybe?

Yeah, too much risk, especially if you think you’re already at/near your ceiling. Like, if you come back for your Junior year and put up basically the same numbers as your Sophomore year, you go from a late 1st round pick to late 2nd. That’s a big difference in money and in the leash you get to figure things out before the NBA tosses you in the dumpster out back.

 

[Starman]

Yeah, too much risk, especially if you think you’re already at/near your ceiling. Like, if you come back for your Junior year and put up basically the same numbers as your Sophomore year, you go from a late 1st round pick to late 2nd. That’s a big difference in money and in the leash you get to figure things out before the NBA tosses you in the dumpster out back.

After Battle came back for year 3 and went undrafted, I'll never fault someone for leaving early. At least if they go in the first round.

Obviously things change with nil.

 

[Entropic]

Yeah, too much risk, especially if you think you’re already at/near your ceiling. Like, if you come back for your Junior year and put up basically the same numbers as your Sophomore year, you go from a late 1st round pick to late 2nd. That’s a big difference in money and in the leash you get to figure things out before the NBA tosses you in the dumpster out back.

Makes sense, thanks.

 

[tbonezone]

can anyone here name the last 5 syracuse players to appear in an NBA allstar game.
(or should i write mike ?)

 

[Briancuse]

Seikaly is 9 short?

Seikaly is 9 short?

He should pull a Bernie mac in mr 3000 and comeback to get those 9 points

 

[tbonezone]

Rony a bit of an overachiever my books.

anyone who watched him grow as a freshman and learn technique inside appreciates this.

 

[Eric15]

Rony a bit of an overachiever my books.

In fairness he is a 6’10” muscular millionaire.

 

[Cusefan0307]

After Battle came back for year 3 and went undrafted, I'll never fault someone for leaving early. At least if they go in the first round.

Obviously things change with nil.

Battle was never getting drafted. He couldn’t shoot.

 

[CusefanATL]

Jerami came back and has played 2 games scoring 16 and 22 in just 45 min combined. Putting him at 9,985 career points and we are officially on 10k watch. They play tonight at 9pm.

 

[cuseattle]

Battle was never getting drafted. He couldn’t shoot.

His sweet spot was a few inches inside the arc.

 

[Toga]

we have 3 total. Jerami Grant is kind of likely going to be #4. But how bad are his knees?

This list... is not great.


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I would have guessed Schayes given his 28 year NBA career.

 

[CusefanATL]

Jerami came back and has played 2 games scoring 16 and 22 in just 45 min combined. Putting him at 9,985 career points and we are officially on 10k watch. They play tonight at 9pm.

and he's out again with Achilles tightness

 

[CusefanATL]

Battle was never getting drafted. He couldn’t shoot.

He was a great shooter with his feet just inside the 3 pt line. unfortunately that is now the worst shot in the NBA. He would have been a really good pro in the 80's and early 90's

same with Kofi Cockburn who would have def been a top 5 pick if not the #1 pick if he went pro anytime before 2006. Instead, hes never touches an NBA court.

 

[Archbold44]

Syracuse BBall has had some NBA talent. Our deep dance runs were usually anchored by at least one NBA caliber player. But we also thrived in many regular seasons with players that were not really built for success in the NBA, like CJ Fair. We had plenty of exciting seasons without players that were highly regarded by the NBA.

I think it helps to have a system that works and identify players that fit into that system. But that does not help players make it IN the NBA. It does not help coaches learn how to coach elsewhere or in different systems. The JB coaching tree is pretty weak.

I get the argument that the 2-3 zone does not work today. But this post-JB experiment has been like some coach taking over for Army football and abandoning their wishbone-esque offense. I get that Army is not going to win a title running that offense. But you better be an expert at whatever offense you ARE bringing in. Autry's expertise was, in all likelihood, the 2-3 zone. This would be like Army firing its coach and then bringing in the Navy coach running a similar offense and asking him to start running a pass-friendly offense that he never previously used. If you want to change systems, why hire a coach that runs a similar system to what you are abandoning?

In other words, if we were handing the keys to Autry, it should have been to continue the 2-3 zone for at least a few years while we develop the expertise in M2M using it more and more. If we are making a continuity hire, why break our most obvious continuity? That defeats the purpose. If that was Autry's idea, it has failed.

If we wanted to hire a guy to bring in some sort of other system, we should have hired a guy with expertise at some other system. Instead, we have a coach without expertise at M2M running the 80th or 200th best M2M defense in the country. If you are BC, you just faced 15 teams running the M2M before us. It's just a game. No new wrinkle to deal with. Just a talent/effort issue. If we are on our game, we can be good. If we are off of our game, it is no big deal for the opponent to deal with.

Perhaps it would be better to have the best 2-3 zone vs a mediocre M2M defense, perhaps not. But this whole thing has been a lose-lose for Autry and the fans, ultimately.

 

[85SUAlum]

Syracuse BBall has had some NBA talent. Our deep dance runs were usually anchored by at least one NBA caliber player. But we also thrived in many regular seasons with players that were not really built for success in the NBA, like CJ Fair. We had plenty of exciting seasons without players that were highly regarded by the NBA.

Unfortunately, CJ Fair was another player who chose to come back when there was a lot of draft buzz about him and saw his draft stock fall precipitously.

 

[CusefanATL]

he’s 3 points away and just entered the game!