Syracuse football defensive tackle Steven Clark's career put in jeopardy by blood clots

[bcubs9497]

Not sure we've ever the story on how the Dungey family persevered over the medical staff. Are there lessons there?

I know how. Can't tell details because I promised. It was dicey, though.

 

[nralecuse]

bcubs,
No good explanation can be given without more info.
How many months had he already been on Xarelto at the time it was stopped?

Possibly someone just looked at a calander and thought "ok he took the med the required time" without looking at the patient !!

 

[bcubs9497]

bcubs,
No good explanation can be given without more info.
How many months had he already been on Xarelto at the time it was stopped?

Treatment started early in November 2016.

 

[Killdozer]

I love how there are a bunch of armchair doctors on this board that see fit to criticize actual professionals that, you know, actually have liability.

This is a stupid post...by your example, the Dr would DQ every situation so not to be liable.

 

[nralecuse]

Treatment started early in November 2016.

When was the spring game ? seems he was on med for about 3 or 4 months which is the standard length of time protocol for Rx because usually the clot will be dissolved by that time BUT meds are not to be stopped before the ultrasound confirmation is obtained. Having been off anticoagulant and then having it restarted would not be expected to have a deleterious effect on your son.

 

[bcubs9497]

When was the spring game ? seems he was on med for about 3 or 4 months which is the standard length of time protocol for Rx because usually the clot will be dissolved by that time BUT meds are not to be stopped before the ultrasound confirmation is obtained. Having been off anticoagulant and then having it restarted would not be expected to have a deleterious effect on your son.

April. A doppler was performed there roughly at the same time. One was also done around the January time frame. Not concerned about deleterious effect. Wondering why they'd DC the med when, in their opinion, the clot was present at that time.

 

[nralecuse]

April. A doppler was performed there roughly at the same time. One was also done around the January time frame. Not concerned about deleterious effect. Wondering why they'd DC the med when, in their opinion, the clot was present at that time.

That is a very reasonable question to ask. They should answer that question.

 

[bcubs9497]

That is a very reasonable question to ask. They should answer that question.

Wished I would've asked it when we called Tucker. Was too busy being pissed to think of it.

 

[Macky44]

I believe we find out today if the team doc clears him. He's been given the green light by our vascular surgeon and hematologist in Alabama.

Endless likes. He is an unbelievable kid.

 

[jgeorge322]

Simple question, why cant he go back on and see if the clot clears, then re-evaluate?

 

[bcubs9497]

Simple question, why cant he go back on and see if the clot clears, then re-evaluate?

I don't know why.

 

[HtownOrange]

I have zero insight into the treatment of your son. and I am extremely sorry that this has happened and it sucks and I feel bad for you. i'd rather see his health protected than the alternative. nothing I am posting is meant as a criticism to you.

Respectfully, there are professionals who cleared this young man to play. By your own measure you contradict yourself. Even moreso because SU's MD has a history of being over cautious and refusing to allow kids to play who go one and play elsewhere without issues.

Additionally, the ultimate decision belongs to Steven. Not dad, mom, doctors, this board or Syracuse. Steven can leave and play elsewhere which defeats Syracuse's position on over caution.

We all agree that Steven's health is what is important but he has two doctors clearing g him and one doctor saying that he is "uncomfortable" which is no measure but an emotion. This emotion is what SU's MD bases his decision to DQ Steven. In short, emotions are ruling the day, not medicine, science, reason and choice (Steven's).

 

[bcubs9497]

Respectfully, there are professionals who cleared this young man to play. By your own measure you contradict yourself. Even moreso because SU's MD has a history of being over cautious and refusing to allow kids to play who go one and play elsewhere without issues.

Additionally, the ultimate decision belongs to Steven. Not dad, mom, doctors, this board or Syracuse. Steven can leave and play elsewhere which defeats Syracuse's position on over caution.

We all agree that Steven's health is what is important but he has two doctors clearing g him and one doctor saying that he is "uncomfortable" which is no measure but an emotion. This emotion is what SU's MD bases his decision to DQ Steven. In short, emotions are ruling the day, not medicine, science, reason and choice (Steven's).

Here's something that will blow your mind; Steven can't play football at SU anymore, yet he's fully capable of being a commissioned officer, or enlisting, in the Army. That's right, heterozygous Factor 5 Leiden is NOT a disqualifying medical condition for military service.

 

[Bambrewer]

Steve I think the part that blows me away the most is from my understanding of this condition is it doesn't mean he will get clots. His clots lined up in the places that the brace restricted the blood flow and caused these clots correct? Anyone of the kids or anyone else could have a restriction of their leg cause a clot. Through all his playing and day to day life he has never had a clot before and there is no reason to believe he will ever have a problem again. The Doppler has shown the clots are gone now correct? So putting him on thinners is just a preventive measure that should be up to him to use or not use. For the doctor to say take this drug for a year and you may be able to play again is ridiculous. Doing this won't change his genes and make it so this issues goes away. So he would have the same risk today as he would a year from now. If they are that concerned about this condition preventing people from playing they should test every player for it. And seeing it is a common issue you would have to bar lots of kids from playing.

 

[hoopsupstate]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Cubs, I can't imagine the pain/frustration/heartbreak/anger you and your family must be feeling right now. Please take consolation in the fact that we all sympathize with you.

 

[CuseLegacy]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

I think his parents have more faith in the doctors in Alabama that have cleared Steven. And there is no way if they had any doubt they would let him play.

 

[ForCuseSake]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

I'm not sure to whom you're directing this question.

I think it's safe to say nobody would feel worse than Steven's parents if he resumed his football career and, God forbid, something happened.

I respectfully disagree with your last sentence. Doctors are people; not infallible or beyond judgment. I say this as someone with deep family ties to the Syracuse medical community.

To quote one of my favorite Stanley Kubrick films, "It's a huge shlitt sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite."

 

[bcubs9497]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

I think you need to familiarize yourself with the history of events. And, we ALL have the right to judge a doctor, especially another doctor that makes his living out of "roto-rooting" another person's veins and arteries...

 

[Newhouser]

Is there another case out there where a different University handled it in a different manner? Legal options against the school for causing the problem? And why aren't their waivers in all sports that say "i understand the risk I won't sue".?

 

[bcubs9497]

Wanna know the odds of suffering accidental drug poisoning? It's 1/96 Mortality Risk
Wanna know the odds of Steven getting another clot? 5-7/1000 http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/15/e94#T1

 

[bcubs9497]

Lifetime odds of dying as a result of assault by firearm: 1/370
Steven clotting again: 5-7/1000

 

[bcubs9497]

Death by vehicle: 1/114
Steven clotting again: 5-7/1000

 

[PhatOrange]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

we sure do have the right to judge doctors. they present us with facts, opinions, hunches and guesses and we make our own choices. You're judging a doctor every time you get a second opinion and thank god for second opinions, or 3rd and 4th opinions.

 

[OrangeMojo]

We're talking someone's life long health versus playing football, which is a game. I feel bad for Steven, but how would you feel if something happened to him. None of us have the right or the knowledge to judge a doctor, but it still sucks!

There are two specialists that the family has a history with and whose main concern is for the player that have both cleared Steven to play vs 1 specialist in Syracuse whose main concern may be the potential liability of the school. To let a family practice doctor make the final decision over the two specialists the family knows is nonsense in my opinion. My wife is a physician and I hear all the time about some of the egregious mistakes that other doctors make and I know lots of doctors through her, some of which I would never trust my health or that of someone I care about to them - to say that none of us has the right to judge a doctor is just silly.