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Syracuse football defensive tackle Steven Clark's career put in jeopardy by blood clots

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It's too bad the athlete and parents can't just sign a waiver of liability, especially in this case, and if something happens (God-forbid) then the University isn't on the hook for anything.
 
reedny said:
OTB is the off-topic board (for politics). I don't think I misinterpreted your post ... since our "litigious culture" is not the primary driver of health care costs, not even in the top 10. Nothing personal. I also disagree with you about Clark, although that's very tough news for this young man. And I can understand why he'd want to get a second (or third) opinion. Either way, medical ineligibility may not be good for his FB aspirations (or the team), but his "betterment" certainly includes his health.
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Please show me my position on Steven Clark in this thread.

You should work on reading comprehension because you've made another poor inference.
 
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It sounds to me like Tucker plays a role similar to a risk manager. He reviews information and then makes a decision based on the risk/iability threshold of the institution. Many risk managers are not specialists in a given field but they represent their organization's risk and liability threshold. That's probably why the decision is not appealable. Maybe it's not a matter of whether Tucker's decision is right or wrong but whether the university's risk tolerance is appropriate for their student-athletes.
 
I'm sure there are more but this is becoming quite the trend, we had a TE who was dq'd went on to continuing playing at Tulsa I believe and most recently Knapp dq'd went on to play at Western Michigan and now Clark. Makes you wonder...
 
SUforme said:
I'm sure there are more but this is becoming quite the trend, we had a TE who was dq'd went on to continuing playing at Tulsa I believe and most recently Knapp dq'd went on to play at Western Michigan and now Clark. Makes you wonder...
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It is a noticeable trend and has happened with more players than the ones you listed. It's a bad policy
 
SUforme said:
Yeah like I said just the ones off the top of my head.
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Definitely makes one wonder. I don't hear about this kind of thing happening with such regularity at other programs.
 
javadoc said:
Bailey, if you are reading, this would make some good sports journalism. How do we compare to our acc peers? Fbs in general?
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If someone could make a list of all the players who have been dq'd recently at Syracuse and went on to play elsewhere definitely could be a interesting news story.
 
Alsacs said:
Tucker needs to prove his qualifications to be taken as an expert.
In court when you claim to be an expert you have to prove your qualifications before the court agrees your qualified to be an expert. . Tucker needs to prove his qualifications to be taken as an expert. In court when you claim to be an expert. Based on what I've read in this thread there appears to at least be a case to question this guy's qualifications to be An expert.
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The only way this would come up in court is if Dr. Tucker cleared someone to play and something further happened to the player because he was improperly cleared. The University pays him to render a decision based on his "educated" opinion, whether anyone else agrees with it, or not, and SU makes it's decision from that. You would have to prove that Dr. Tucker's opinion was unsound and that the decision has prevented Steven from pursuing football anywhere for court case to proceed.
 
Syracuse feels its better to lose and play it safe, then win and run huge risks, potentially damning ones.

of course they don't feel this will make them lose, so playing it safe is the smart play.

I assume they will also let him lead his life, so playing elsewhere (if cleared wherever) is a possibility.
 
orange_in_VA said:
It is a noticeable trend and has happened with more players than the ones you listed. It's a bad policy
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Speaking of that I'm sure it is on the board somewhere but too lazy to search. What ever happened with A.J. Long? I know he was cleared to play at Wagner but don;t see any stats from last year and he is not on their 2017 roster.
 
Fear of Liability, Lawyers and of Litigation - the doctors boogieman..
 
Consigliere said:
Speaking of that I'm sure it is on the board somewhere but too lazy to search. What ever happened with A.J. Long? I know he was cleared to play at Wagner but don;t see any stats from last year and he is not on their 2017 roster.
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Hurt his back in preseason and missed the whole season. Looks like he's planning to play out his remaining eligibility there at Wagner.
 
bcubs9497 said:
His health is just fine.
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Glad that Steven's health is good. Huge loss all the way around and I'm sure very upsetting for you and your family.

Will you be seeking the advise of an attorney to see if there is any way around Dr Tucker's opinion or to disqualify his opinion?

I appreciate your posts on this board and more so Steven's play on the field. I hope everything works out for the best for your family.
 
capeorange said:
Glad that Steven's health is good. Huge loss all the way around and I'm sure very upsetting for you and your family.

Will you be seeking the advise of an attorney to see if there is any way around Dr Tucker's opinion or to disqualify his opinion?

I appreciate your posts on this board and more so Steven's play on the field. I hope everything works out for the best for your family.
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guys you cant sue over a medical opinion or finding.

you can sue if you've placed in harm, when harm could've been prevented and you received harm.

it sucks, but if hes truly healthy, he will play elsewhere and it will be Syracuse's loss.

that's it.

there is NO WAY IN HELL, Syracuse changes their position on this...EVEN IF they change Dr's.
 
bcubs9497 said:
His health is just fine.
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Cubs you mentioned previously that his risk of death from this condition is less than death from a car accident. Do you know if that statistic was against the general population or among those that have been diagnosed with this condition?

And I might be misquoting you - I can't find the post again lol
 
Think it was over the moment they realized they caused the clots in the first place. Sounds like DiFino took Steven off the blood thinner after 6 months due to length of treatment for fear of side effects. Even with the last clot not fully dissipated. So two months later when it did even without them only made them breathe a huge sigh of relief. And the discovery of the gene was a clincher, regardless of the number of other doctors opinions. Even the nonsensical offer to go on the med again for a year with a promise to play again afterwards seems insincere. As care taker nailed it: double CYA.
 
capeorange said:
Glad that Steven's health is good. Huge loss all the way around and I'm sure very upsetting for you and your family.

Will you be seeking the advise of an attorney to see if there is any way around Dr Tucker's opinion or to disqualify his opinion?

I appreciate your posts on this board and more so Steven's play on the field. I hope everything works out for the best for your family.
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My inclination at this time is not to sue.
 
KaiserUEO said:
guys you cant sue over a medical opinion or finding.

you can sue if you've placed in harm, when harm could've been prevented and you received harm.

it sucks, but if hes truly healthy, he will play elsewhere and it will be Syracuse's loss.

that's it.

there is NO WAY IN HELL, Syracuse changes their position on this...EVEN IF they change Dr's.
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Which then begs the question - if he does play elsewhere - how does that paint our program? Are we overly conservative or is that program overly risky?

I do find the resistance to a third opinion bothersome. Especially in a case like this where you are talking about a potentially life altering event.
 
tep624 said:
Cubs you mentioned previously that his risk of death from this condition is less than death from a car accident. Do you know if that statistic was against the general population or among those that have been diagnosed with this condition?

And I might be misquoting you - I can't find the post again lol
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The 8/1000 chance for clotting is specific to those with heterozygous factor 5 leiden. The lifetime 1/114 chance of dying in a vehicle accident is the entire sample size (whatever that was).
 
bcubs9497 said:
The 8/1000 chance for clotting is specific to those with heterozygous factor 5 leiden. The lifetime 1/114 chance of dying in a vehicle accident is the entire sample size (whatever that was).
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Wow. Thanks. I'd definitely describe that as risk averse.

Really sorry about this turn of events. I've enjoyed following Steven's progression through the program from the time he first appeared on the scene as a prospect. I hope he is still able to play even if it isn't at Syracuse.
 
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