Tebow makes a lot of people look stupid

[BostonOrange]

Agreed. However I think after 14 games teams, especially the Steelers have had a chance to adjust. Its basically a numbers game. If you try to stop the big plays, Denver can run on you. If you load the box and stuff the run, Denver can throw on you, IF and only IF, Tebow keeps progressing as a passing QB.

Im so happy people are finally stopping with the stupid "Wildcat" comparisons. This offense is way more sustainable and multi-dimensional than the wildcat. The Steelers are the #1 defense in the NFL and are coached by a HOF legend and Denver showed when that offense is run correctly it is a beast to defend. The Steelers took away the run. Every friggin 1st down it was a run for 2 yards...over and over and over so good for the Steelers, they shut down the #1 rushing offense, BUT you leave yourself vulnerable to the pass and if Tebow can be even somewhat accurate throwing the ball they are going to be a hard team to stop.

I think the biggest problem with this offense long term is that the QB will get killed. I think with the right guy (Vick, young McNabb, even Big Ben) you can be very effective with this offense in short spurts, or maybe even for a season or two. But, if I'm building an NFL team I don't want my franchise QB taking 15 kill shots a game. That is what makes it tough to sustain.

 

[longislandcuse]

McGahee is banged up = Mendenhall tore his ACL last week? not really
Denver's best Olineman out probably equals Pouncy from Pittsburgh missing the game. But Pouncy was the center (and best Olinemen from the Steelers), so it's a bigger loss for Pittsburgh.
Dawkins out = Ryan Clark out, James Harrison hurt, Casey Hampton going out early in the game, Keisel hurt, Woodley hurt? not even close.

Oh yeah, I also forgot that Big Ben was playing on one leg. That probably didn't effect him either.

I know all about teams being "banged up" at this point in the season, but the Steelers definitely had more injuries than normal to deal with. Also, the injuries hit many of their best players. Hampton, Keisel and Harrison are the core up front for the Steelers - their loss (or reduction of ability due to injury) was significant.

Yea man, ill give you they had injuries, so does everyone else. It happens. "Take this with a grain of salt" is a pretty ridiculous statement, no? Big Ben looked pretty friggin good to me, dude is a warrior and plays great injured. I guarantee you if the Steelers won, some people would pick them to beat the Pats this weekend...theyre still a damn good team.

 

[longislandcuse]

I think the biggest problem with this offense long term is that the QB will get killed. I think with the right guy (Vick, young McNabb, even Big Ben) you can be very effective with this offense in short spurts, or maybe even for a season or two. But, if I'm building an NFL team I don't want my franchise QB taking 15 kill shots a game. That is what makes it tough to sustain.

Denver's offense is way more conventional than people think. Yea Tebow runs but not as much as people think and the hits he takes when running are alot less impactful than the ones he gets in the pocket.

 

[djcon57]

Tebow was great yesterday...outstanding. Seriously.

THAT SAID...I saw that play in the Giants game...did ANYONE say, "Oh my god, what a pass by Eli" or did they say, "Holy , what a run and catch by Nicks"

The play was made by Thomas. Tebow got it on him though to his credit.

Long term? I still don't see it.
Jake Delhomme won playoffs games too...hell, even got to a super bowl. Mark Sanchez won playoff games. TJ YATES won this week. Loser Tony Romo has won a playoff game.

We'll see unlike others though, if and when Tebow does it, I'll say I was wrong.

 

[longislandcuse]

Tebow was great yesterday...outstanding. Seriously.

THAT SAID...I saw that play in the Giants game...did ANYONE say, "Oh my god, what a pass by Eli" or did they say, "Holy ****, what a run and catch by Nicks"

The play was made by Thomas. Tebow got it on him though to his credit.

Long term? I still don't see it.
Jake Delhomme won playoffs games too...hell, even got to a super bowl. Mark Sanchez won playoff games. TJ YATES won this week. Loser Tony Romo has won a playoff game.

We'll see unlike others though, if and when Tebow does it, I'll say I was wrong.

Honest assessment. Tebow did have some great throws though, the 80 yd overtime was nothing compared to the TD to Royal or the 3rd down pass to Thomas down the sideline. What I though was the most impressive was hitting some short routes. The quick out route to the back for a first down, the back shoulder throw and the quick slant he hit. He also had a quick slant at the goal line that was right on the $$$ and DT dropped it.

 

[djcon57]

I agree, every play or bad game doesn't make the guy's career, lets give him a season or two to see how Denver winds up. Right now, Denver is in teh final 8, that is pretty good. People need to chill on both sides with Tebow, he is limited in certain areas but great in others and he is a very likeable guy. I am not a man of the church but it really doesn't bother me eitherway but you can tell that Tebow is a solid stand up dude and it has nothing to do with, for me anyway with his faith. It's a non issue eitherway. He is also in his 2nd year as an NFL qb. People get all defensive on the issue, I just like watching the kid play, it can be furstrating at times, very exciting others. Chill...

I get it, he fumbled a few times, isn't that accurate, etc etc. The talking heads are so out of control with the Tebow

You hit it on the head.

This is a long term debate. Some people want to be right or wrong on one game. Seattle beat New Orleands last year. Didn't mean Matt Hasselbeck was some great QB and didn't mean Drew Brees sucks.

If Tebow loses to NE, doesn't mean he sucks. Let's see his staying power. That will give us the answer.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Yea man, ill give you they had injuries, so does everyone else. It happens. "Take this with a grain of salt" is a pretty ridiculous statement, no? Big Ben looked pretty friggin good to me, dude is a warrior and plays great injured. I guarantee you if the Steelers won, some people would pick them to beat the Pats this weekend...theyre still a damn good team.

Ben basically gave the game to the Broncos in the 2nd quarter with his horrible interceptions. I wouldn't say he played good yesterday. He did make a valiant effort in the comeback to tie it. I'd rather have an injuried Ben than a healthy Batch.

I knew the Steelers playoff hopes were doomed with their injury issues. Of course NFL teams are banged up at this point in the year, but the Steelers were definitely a little more "banged up" than normal and their injuries were to players that were more significant to the team and difficult to replace.

FWIW, I like Tebow. Guy is a winner at all phases of life.

 

[djcon57]

Honest assessment. Tebow did have some great throws though, the 80 yd overtime was nothing compared to the TD to Royal or the 3rd down pass to Thomas down the sideline. What I though was the most impressive was hitting some short routes. The quick out route to the back for a first down, the back shoulder throw and the quick slant he hit. He also had a quick slant at the goal line that was right on the $$$ and DT dropped it.

He also bounced one on 3rd down that gave Pitt a chance to win on that last drive...and they might've won if the center didn't gun it over Ben's head.


But, ya, Tebow's throw to Royal was easily his best of the day. That was a great throw.

 

[Marsh01]

We all know there isn't a chance in hell that Tebow goes in and beats Brady and NE in Foxboro. Not gonna happen.

IMO, the Ravens are going to the Super Bowl from the AFC. Ravens/Packers should be a good game.

Tebow will have very little to do with the outcome Saturday night. This is all on the Denver defense. If they play well and hold the Pats to under 20 points then Denver certainly has a shot. The Pats defense is not very good and I think that Denver will move the ball. If Brady goes off and puts up 34 then Denver has no shot.

Their game earlier in the season is how it will play out if the Denver defense does not play well.

As far as your second comment, I agree that the Ravens are going. However the Giants will beat the Pack

 

[BostonOrange]

Denver's offense is way more conventional than people think. Yea Tebow runs but not as much as people think and the hits he takes when running are alot less impactful than the ones he gets in the pocket.

I don't know man really? He gets what...10 carries a game and doesn't slide much. Yeah I guess you are right he didn't take any huge hits yesterday but still that adds up over a season. I'd rather have Brady\Manning\Brees turtling in the pocket and living to fight another day personally. I've watched almost every Pats game of Brady's career and it's rare that he gets hit hard. One injury in 10 years...

 

[sabach]

Tebow was great yesterday...outstanding. Seriously.

THAT SAID...I saw that play in the Giants game...did ANYONE say, "Oh my god, what a pass by Eli" or did they say, "Holy ****, what a run and catch by Nicks"

The play was made by Thomas. Tebow got it on him though to his credit.

Long term? I still don't see it.
Jake Delhomme won playoffs games too...hell, even got to a super bowl. Mark Sanchez won playoff games. TJ YATES won this week. Loser Tony Romo has won a playoff game.

We'll see unlike others though, if and when Tebow does it, I'll say I was wrong.

Didn't you predict a few weeks ago that long term Tebow would not win a playoff game? I think you are already wrong.

 

[djcon57]

Didn't you predict a few weeks ago that long term Tebow would not win a playoff game? I think you are already wrong.

I did indeed...and I was wrong about that...and you'll see I said he was outstanding.

Now since Tebow fan wants to thump his chest...make a prediction...give me his long term prospects. Does he win a super bowl? Get to a AFC/NFC championship game? Start 50 career games?

What are we working with here?

 

[Scooch]

Tebow will have very little to do with the outcome Saturday night. This is all on the Denver defense. If they play well and hold the Pats to under 20 points then Denver certainly has a shot. The Pats defense is not very good and I think that Denver will move the ball. If Brady goes off and puts up 34 then Denver has no shot.

Their game earlier in the season is how it will play out if the Denver defense does not play well.

As far as your second comment, I agree that the Ravens are going. However the Giants will beat the Pack

Actually, IMHO it's the Pats D that will most determine Saturday's outcome.

There is no way that BB will employ the same aggressive scheme that Pittsburgh did. The Pats play a safety 30-35 yards off the LOS on almost every play. Tebow most likely won't be able to achieve the ridonkulous 30 yards/completion rate like he did yesterday. Pats give up a ton of yards, but they make teams work for it (had one of the lowest totals of giving up 20+ yard plays in the league this year). It is almost a classical execution of bend-(A LOT)-but-don't-break.

So if the Pats can make Tebow go 8-10 plays for a score, as opposed to 3, bad things will happen to the Broncos eventually. The Pats O is going to score, probably a lot. So I think Tebow is going to have an enormous role in this outcome, for better or worse.

 

[sabach]

I did indeed...and I was wrong about that...and you'll see I said he was outstanding.

Now since Tebow fan wants to thump his chest...make a prediction...give me his long term prospects. Does he win a super bowl? Get to a AFC/NFC championship game? Start 50 career games?

What are we working with here?

A few weeks ago you mocked Tebow fans by bragging that you had a brain in your head because you did not base your opinion of someone on one game. Then, in the same post you went on to predict that Tebow would not win one playoff game thereby proving that you in fact do not have a brain by your very own standards.

I have no idea what Tebow will do with the rest of his career, but I get a kick out of people raising the bar on Tebow each time he accomplishes something the experts say he will never do. I also believe that this was the point of the OP by Millhouse.

 

[djcon57]

A few weeks ago you mocked Tebow fans by bragging that you had a brain in your head because you did not base your opinion of someone based on one game. Then, in the same post you went on to predict that Tebow would not win one playoff game thereby proving that you in fact do not have a brain by your very own standards.

I have no idea what Tebow will do with the rest of his career, but I get a kick out of people raising the bar on Tebow each time he accomplishes something the experts say he will never do. I also believe that this was the point of the OP by Millhouse.

My opinion he would not win a playoff game had nothing to do with ONE game. If you see that post I made was BEFORE Pittsburgh lost Mendy, Ryan Clark, their starting DTs, their pro bowl center, and Ben was on one ankle.

I put money on Denver +9 for that reason.

By you not "setting the bar", you get to raise and lower the bar as you please...it's a convenient position for Tebow fan.

 

[Millhouse]

A few weeks ago you mocked Tebow fans by bragging that you had a brain in your head because you did not base your opinion of someone on one game. Then, in the same post you went on to predict that Tebow would not win one playoff game thereby proving that you in fact do not have a brain by your very own standards.

I have no idea what Tebow will do with the rest of his career, but I get a kick out of people raising the bar on Tebow each time he accomplishes something the experts say he will never do. I also believe that this was the point of the OP by Millhouse.

yup they just keep moving the goalposts. the intensity of criticism of the guy is a combo of some people really disliking bible thumpers and football meatheads who hate anything that challenges the status quo

guy threw for 300 in a playoff win. if he sucks, i sure wish a bills qb would suck like that. been 22 years since the bills did that. kelly did it twice in 17 games.

 

[Guinness]

yup they just keep moving the goalposts. the intensity of criticism of the guy is a combo of some people really disliking bible thumpers and football meatheads who hate anything that challenges the status quo

guy threw for 300 in a playoff win. if he sucks, i sure wish a bills qb would suck like that. been 22 years since the bills did that. kelly did it twice in 17 games.

To be fair the Bills do not have the defense required to play the sort of game that John Fox plays. If Denver had the Bills defense they probably would have struggled to get 4 wins.

 

[bnoro]

Actually, IMHO it's the Pats D that will most determine Saturday's outcome.

There is no way that BB will employ the same aggressive scheme that Pittsburgh did. The Pats play a safety 30-35 yards off the LOS on almost every play. Tebow most likely won't be able to achieve the ridonkulous 30 yards/completion rate like he did yesterday. Pats give up a ton of yards, but they make teams work for it (had one of the lowest totals of giving up 20+ yard plays in the league this year). It is almost a classical execution of bend-(A LOT)-but-don't-break.

So if the Pats can make Tebow go 8-10 plays for a score, as opposed to 3, bad things will happen to the Broncos eventually. The Pats O is going to score, probably a lot. So I think Tebow is going to have an enormous role in this outcome, for better or worse.

Not to mention Belichick does very well the second time he faces a team in a season, especially in the playoffs. Having Patrick Chung and Brandon Spikes and Dane Fletcher this time around will help greatly as well. I can see the Pats D having one of its best games of the season on Saturday. It also helps that the Broncos have a short week, and that it's a late start at the Razor. I don't think this one's close.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Tebow was 9 for 20 in regulation, for 236 yards. Do you think it was him or the receivers giving him all those yards?

Tebow sucks.

 

[Scooch]

yup they just keep moving the goalposts. the intensity of criticism of the guy is a combo of some people really disliking bible thumpers and football meatheads who hate anything that challenges the status quo

guy threw for 300 in a playoff win. if he sucks, i sure wish a bills qb would suck like that. been 22 years since the bills did that. kelly did it twice in 17 games.

Tebow doesn't "suck", but I'm surprised you're defending him so aggressively. I mean I love that the kid plays a different kind of game, it's a welcome breath of fresh air in such a copycat league.

But Denver has scored the following in his wins:

18
38
17
17
16
35
13
29

Five times under 20 points in this day and age is pretty bad. One might argue that the Broncos were winning in spite of him, not because of him, over many games this season.

I imagine you've changed your tune on Nassib now, since he ranks better statistically, relatively speaking, than Tebow, across the board.

 

[sabach]

My opinion he would not win a playoff game had nothing to do with ONE game. If you see that post I made was BEFORE Pittsburgh lost Mendy, Ryan Clark, their starting DTs, their pro bowl center, and Ben was on one ankle.

I put money on Denver +9 for that reason.

By you not "setting the bar", you get to raise and lower the bar as you please...it's a convenient position for Tebow fan.

Your opinion was made after the first NE game and before Denver had even qualified for the playoffs, let alone knew that they were playing the Steelers. I guess I don't get what all the Steeler facts have to do with an opinion you gave on Dec 19.
As of Dec 19, Tebow had started 12 NFL games and had a record of 8-4.
My point in not setting the bar is that I have no idea what Tebow's career is going to look like. He hasn't even begun to start his career yet. If you want me to give you a long term prediction on Tim Tebow's career based on having now started 15 games in the NFL, I'm not doing it. Just because you gave a prediction and were wrong doesn't mean we all have to be like you.

 

[djcon57]

Your opinion was made after the first NE game and before Denver had even qualified for the playoffs, let alone knew that they were playing the Steelers. I guess I don't get what all the Steeler facts have to do with an opinion you gave on Dec 19.
As of Dec 19, Tebow had started 12 NFL games and had a record of 8-4.
My point in not setting the bar is that I have no idea what Tebow's career is going to look like. He hasn't even begun to start his career yet. If you want me to give you a long term prediction on Tim Tebow's career based on having now started 15 games in the NFL, I'm not doing it. Just because you gave a prediction and were wrong doesn't mean we all have to be like you.

Fair enough. When will be enough games for you to give a prediction? You are more than glad to call out others when they are wrong...I think it's fair that you do the same at some point.

 

[sabach]

Fair enough. When will be enough games for you to give a prediction? You are more than glad to call out others when they are wrong...I think it's fair that you do the same at some point.

You are absolutely correct.
I predict that Tim Tebow will start in the Divisional Playoff Game this Saturday against the New England Patriots and that the Patriots will win 31-13.
I predict that Aaron Rodgers, the best football playing born-again Christian QB in the NFL will beat Drew Brees, the second best football playing born-again Christian QB in the NFC Championship Game and go on to win the Super Bowl for a second straight year.
I predict Tim Tebow will start next season as the Denver starting quarterback.
I predict Denver will play a much tougher schedule next year as a division champion and will not make the playoffs going 6-10.
I predict that after next season, Elway will re-evaluate whether to keep Tebow as the starter.
I predict that even if Tim Tebow is cut from the Broncos after next year and never plays another down in the NFL, he will go on to live a fruitful life ministering to those in need throughout the world.
I predict that my last prediction makes me "Tebow Fan" as you like to call us far more than any football win ever will, especially since I am not a Broncos fan.

 

[Guinness]

I predict Denver will play a much tougher schedule next year as a division champion and will not make the playoffs going 6-10.
I predict that after next season, Elway will re-evaluate whether to keep Tebow as the starter.

^ This.

 

[djcon57]

You are absolutely correct.
I predict that Tim Tebow will start in the Divisional Playoff Game this Saturday against the New England Patriots and that the Patriots will win 31-13.
I predict that Aaron Rodgers, the best football playing born-again Christian QB in the NFL will beat Drew Brees, the second best football playing born-again Christian QB in the NFC Championship Game and go on to win the Super Bowl for a second straight year.
I predict Tim Tebow will start next season as the Denver starting quarterback.
I predict Denver will play a much tougher schedule next year as a division champion and will not make the playoffs going 6-10.
I predict that after next season, Elway will re-evaluate whether to keep Tebow as the starter.
I predict that even if Tim Tebow is cut from the Broncos after next year and never plays another down in the NFL, he will go on to live a fruitful life ministering to those in need throughout the world.
I predict that my last prediction makes me "Tebow Fan" as you like to call us far more than any football win ever will, especially since I am not a Broncos fan.

Yes, Tebow seems like a great guy...I hope he continues to inspire the nation and I hope he can keep up with the high high moral standards everyone has set for him..I just worry because it seems almost impossible (see Favre).

That said...you are realistic with his long term prospects. I think it's a very fair goalpost to set.