Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC

[syrBossHogg]

Both have their flaws but I do prefer NFL over college now. NFL there’s more parity but it’s also a little biased towards big market cities in ways. College football helps small towns get national relevance but it’s also biased towards the big schools with huge alumni bases supporting the programs.

 

[JRHEETER]

A&M and WVU to the ACC could be the ticket.

Then eventually bring in Notre dame and maybe Cinci and there you have a conference that would rival the SEC

 

[longislandcuse]

Both have their flaws but I do prefer NFL over college now. NFL there’s more parity but it’s also a little biased towards big market cities in ways. College football helps small towns get national relevance but it’s also biased towards the big schools with huge alumni bases supporting the programs.

The anti-bias towards big cities, comparatively speaking, is what I love about the NFL.

Mahomes, Kelce, Hill etc in Kansas City.

Allen, Diggs in Buffalo.

Rodgers, Adams in Green Bay (for now).

I just named 7 of the top 20 players last year and only listed 3 small cities, who happened to have 3 of the 4 best teams. The other being Tampa Bay, another small market, that managed to sign Tom Brady as a free agent.

Compare to the NBA, where Giannis winning in Milwaukee is hailed as a minor miracle, given how that league runs.

Good point about CFB and small towns. It’s a beautiful thing to see…. Clemson, Tuscaloosa, Athens, Gainesville, and the list goes on.

 

[syrBossHogg]

The anti-bias towards big cities, comparatively speaking, is what I love about the NFL.

Mahomes, Kelce, Hill etc in Kansas City.

Allen, Diggs in Buffalo.

Rodgers, Adams in Green Bay (for now).

I just named 7 of the top 20 players last year and only listed 3 small cities, who happened to have 3 of the 4 best teams. The other being Tampa Bay, another small market, that managed to sign Tom Brady as a free agent.

Compare to the NBA, where Giannis winning in Milwaukee is hailed as a minor miracle, given how that league runs.

Good point about CFB and small towns. It’s a beautiful thing to see…. Clemson, Tuscaloosa, Athens, Gainesville, and the list goes on.

Yeah my point about the NFL was it’s still a big business at the end of the day. The Bills would prolly be in Toronto if not for the Pegulas, and I don’t like seeing the Chargers in LA instead of San Diego

 

[cuse62]

If everything is the same; and it was between Cuse and some other tams to join the big ten, could we use Michigan’s banner as leverage?

 

[oldpinepoint]

I think SU football has actually been so bad it’s affected a lot of fans on here.

College football is fun and offense oriented. I think SU football has been boring and awful.
Watching good Big XII and SEc games is awesome. It just sucks we really suck.

I think the NFL any team can beat any team. College football really few teams can compete or even beat the top teams. The rules of college football favor the better team.
The opposite is true in college basketball.

L

A&M and WVU to the ACC could be the ticket.

Then eventually bring in Notre dame and maybe Cinci and there you have a conference that would rival the SEC

no, not even close to SEC.

 

[longislandcuse]

L

no, not even close to SEC.

SEC will be in a league of its own, but if the ACC could swing A&M and ND, they’d potentially surpass the B1G.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Yeah I am sure the Big Ten would absorb some of the ACC schools if they would leave but it won’t be this super conference our board thinks is possible.

They don’t get the Big Ten CIC is about research dollars as well.

That is why I propose the ACC and Pac-12 strike an east coast/west coast alliance use the ACC network with ESPN backing and increase the payouts for each conference with a scheduling alliance.

Call it the PACC26

 

[longtimefan]

Yeah I am sure the Big Ten would absorb some of the ACC schools if they would leave but it won’t be this super conference our board thinks is possible.

They don’t get the Big Ten CIC is about research dollars as well.

That is why I propose the ACC and Pac-12 strike an east coast/west coast alliance use the ACC network with ESPN backing and increase the payouts for each conference with a scheduling alliance.

The scheduling alliance concept is doable for football. Not for any other sport (although an ACC-PAC12 BB Challenge might work).

 

[WoadBlue]

They didn’t.
The Big Ten wanted to break the ACC.
I don’t get how people don’t realize this.

This is a huge ding, sing, ding - we have a winner.

 

[RandomGuy]

How does Syracuse look when combining football and hoops I wonder.

Better. For hoops, our team value is #9 in the country(2016). For football # 57.

Here are how valuable the top 5 fb teams are in conference.

SEC. 4.35 Billion
B10. 3.43 Billion
ACC. 1.27 Billion.

Going past the 1st 5 makes the divide from the SEC even greater.

College Football Value Rankings

graphics.wsj.com

 

[djorange1989]

I think SU football has actually been so bad it’s affected a lot of fans on here.

College football is fun and offense oriented. I think SU football has been boring and awful.
Watching good Big XII and SEc games is awesome. It just sucks we really suck.

I think the NFL any team can beat any team. College football really few teams can compete or even beat the top teams. The rules of college football favor the better team.
The opposite is true in college basketball.

Being an SU football fan is the sports equivalent of being a camel: one good and exciting team in 2018 has to sustain our thirst for like 10 years. In the meantime this site is more like Joe Camel: a bunch of cartoon characters selling unhealthy crap(hope for a good season) to desperate people

 

[WoadBlue]

I don't. I think it's 50 50.

Here is why. Big wants a southern footprint. Big already plays a series against ACC in Basketball. ND would be in. BIG plays Lax.
ACC commissioner Northwestern guy. Academic fit.

Question. Why don't you think it happens.

I wonder if SEC leadership sees big pictures. Does the SEC know that the Big Ten in the South with UNC and UVA would cause the SEC endless heartaches? Does the SEC know that to get into the South that way, the BT likely would expand to 20, to also add Clemson and FSU, just to in the SEC as much as possible? Does the SEC know that in taking Texas and OU that it makes it easier for ACC members to entertain BT dollars?

Great idea's but the ACC must think bigger, we really need to convince the Big 10 that this was orchestrated by ESPN. The ACC won't survive by itself, we need to be combined with the Big 10.

The Big Ten may be as much behind this as the SEC is.

The BT would love to destroy the ACC. Why? The BT either wants to force ND into the BT or else ruin the ACC so tat ND suffers for rejecting the BT. Plus, the BT saw the ACC moving in to the northeast as the ACC trying to steal BT territory.

If the SEC leadership is clueless, it may not have considered that its greed for a state it already has (Texas) could lead to the BT getting planted in the South.

 

[WoadBlue]

I don't know if I believe this one because PSU isn't mentioned. So they're not going to target PSU to protect Rutgers and Maryland but they are going to target Clemson and FSU when they already have SC and UF?

I'd think they'd be looking at UVA, UNC, Michigan, OSU, PSU etc...first.

If the SEC has decided that it will go beyond 16 (assuming it gets Texas and OU), then the top 2 teams it wants will be UNC and UVA. If the SEC could woo UNC and UVA, it could do whatever it wants across the South and into border areas. It could add Dook, to have the nation's best basketball rivalry and start SEC lacrosse at the top. Clemson and FSU and GT to make 22 and own the entire region. VT and Texas Tech would be the kind of #23 and 24 teams the SEC would like to complete a Super League.

We know that BT officials have discussed the possibility of expanding to 20. SEC people might have decided that to protect its home region against the BT, it will expand to 24, and forever be the best in both revenue sports.

 

[dasher]

IMO - there definitely comes a day, where the ACC has to tell ND that we supported your independence while you danced around full membership, but it’s time, one way or another.

This type of news only accelerates that.

To what end? They would just okay. We will stay indy and throw our other sports in to the Big east. Oh, and forget about the football games we promised. How is the ACC better off with that?

 

[dasher]

SEC will be in a league of its own, but if the ACC could swing A&M and ND, they’d potentially surpass the B1G.

A & M isn't leaving the SEC and all of that money. People with brains don't let their money get mad.

 

[Alsacs]

A & M isn't leaving the SEC and all of that money. People with brains don't let their money get mad.

There absolutely no chance at all any school will willingly leave the SEC.
The payouts annually for members will approach 100 million per year.

It’s just not going to happen.
A&M is just going to likely get Texas and Oklahoma in another pod.
Put LSU/A&M/Arkansas/Mizzou in one pod.

 

[Finwad32]

To what end? They would just okay. We will stay indy and throw our other sports in to the Big east. Oh, and forget about the football games we promised. How is the ACC better off with that?

If there starts to be seismic shifts again, which this would be, ACC would need to add assets… we just found out in a week’s time that two of the biggest names in all of college football history are most likely finalizing a move in what could be a matter of weeks.

Do you think they’re the only schools having conversations? Do you think the B1G isn’t going to have a countermove? It’s the first couple dominoes to another whole cycle imo.

Eventually ND has to do something. And if it’s go Indy, their market value ain’t what it always was. Good luck getting premier NC games when there’s most likely a 9/10 game conference slate + additional playoff games for whichever conferences go mega.

 

[orange79]

If there starts to be seismic shifts again, which this would be, ACC would need to add assets… we just found out in a week’s time that two of the biggest names in all of college football history are most likely finalizing a move in what could be a matter of weeks.

Do you think they’re the only schools having conversations? Do you think the B1G isn’t going to have a countermove? It’s the first couple dominoes to another whole cycle imo.

Eventually ND has to do something. And if it’s go Indy, their market value ain’t what it always was. Good luck getting premier NC games when there’s most likely a 9/10 game conference slate + additional playoff games for whichever conferences go mega.

I hear you, but given that the CFP is likely to expand (8? 12?), I have to think ND is comfortable where they are.

 

[Finwad32]

I hear you, but given that the CFP is likely to expand (8? 12?), I have to think ND is comfortable where they are. View attachment 203838

I’d agree as it currently sits. But if conferences go full blown 16. Lose the Big12 and have the other 4 at 16. ND’s schedule will look a lot different than it does now.

If there’s a 12-team CFP, I don’t know that you could justify 12 regular season games, a conference Championship and then potentially 3 playoff games… with 9/10 conference games, would you really want to schedule tough NC games if you’re not Alabama?

Their name will always have sway in CFP selections, but they’re going to need a boat to ride on eventually.

 

[orange79]

This should be, well, interesting.

 

[OrangeDW]

Nevermind Texas, Oklahoma, ND...

where is UMass going?!?!

 

[Eric15]

Regardless, CFB used to be fun to watch overall.

To each their own obviously, but there is basically nothing in life including the laughter of my own children that brings me more joy than a college football Saturday. I literally get offended when society requires me to do anything on those days.

 

[nd1973]

I’d agree as it currently sits. But if conferences go full blown 16. Lose the Big12 and have the other 4 at 16. ND’s schedule will look a lot different than it does now.

If there’s a 12-team CFP, I don’t know that you could justify 12 regular season games, a conference Championship and then potentially 3 playoff games… with 9/10 conference games, would you really want to schedule tough NC games if you’re not Alabama?

Their name will always have sway in CFP selections, but they’re going to need a boat to ride on eventually.

Schedule is a concern right now. Because what if all the leagues shift to 10 games? We have set-up some OOC games with the SEC and wonder if they will not honor them because they just added two more difficult games.

 

[WoadBlue]

Mike DeCourcy wants Greg Sankey to Just Say No