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Thamel gives some names

zjscuse said:
turning holy cross into a successful program may be more of a daunting task then the Syracuse job lol. I’d be perfectly happy with Chesney.
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He’s number 2 on my list. Would absolutely love him here.
 
My #2

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Why Clemson football's Garrett Riley is nation's highest-paid assistant — for now

Clemson football offensive coordinator Garrett Riley is the country's highest-paid assistant coach. The Tigers 10 assistants rank No. 9 nationally.
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Why Clemson football's Garrett Riley is nation's highest-paid assistant — for now​


Also a lesson to the admins in how much our peers are spending for top talent. You want Syracuse to be great? Open your wallets.


Clemson offensive coordinator Garrett Riley is the highest-paid assistant coach in college football this season at $2.05 million, according to the USA TODAY Network database of college football assistant coaches salaries released Thursday.
Riley, who was hired by coach Dabo Swinney on Jan. 13, is No. 1 by virtue of a one-time signing bonus of $300,000. That ranks him just ahead of Washington offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb, who will make $2,000,004 this season.
Collectively, Clemson’s staff of 10 full-time assistants, will make $7,775,000 this year, which ranks No. 9 in FBS in total compensation for assistants and No. 1 among ACC programs.
Ohio State, which has five assistants making $1 million or more and has a total payout of $9.3 million, is No. 1, just ahead of Georgia at $9.2 million.

Other schools ahead of Clemson are Alabama, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Kentucky and Michigan State.
Wes Goodwin, who is in his second full season as Clemson’s defensive coordinator, is the Tigers' next highest-paid assistant after Riley at $850,000. That ranks him at No. 100 on the USA TODAY list.
At South Carolina, assistant coaches will be paid a total of $6,185,000 this season, with defensive coordinator Clayton White and offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains leading the way at $1.2 million and $1 million, respectively.

The number of assistant coaches in the country making $1.5 million or more has increased from none 10 years ago to 18 in 2023. Even more astounding is that in 2014 only five assistants made $1 million or more; in 2023 that number has risen to 66.
At Clemson, Goodwin is followed by Nick Eason (defensive tackles), Mike Reed (cornerbacks) and Mickey Conn (safeties), each of whom will make $800,000 this season.
GoSU96 said:
It’s NOT a rebuild. It’s a level up job, not start from scratch. All hands this was a nine win roster entering the season. I get injuries happen, but this isn’t picking up from Robinson or Shafer.

Come on and at least understand the situation.
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GoSU96 said:
It’s NOT a rebuild. It’s a level up job, not start from scratch. All hands this was a nine win roster entering the season. I get injuries happen, but this isn’t picking up from Robinson or Shafer.

Come on and at least understand the situation.
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I understand the situation. Marrone is fine. I just question whether he'd be willing to come back.
 
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boog7 said:
Not really. First of all, defensively, whether run by White or Long, the 3-3-5 has been successful at SU. When TW was running it, the SU D was one of the tops in the nation. At Nebraska, White's D was top 15 nationally prior to Sat. And while the D may have taken a bit of step back under Long, it's still a solid unit and shows that the 3-3-5 does work at SU.

So if I'm JW and I see a defensive scheme that works well with the type of smaller, quicker athletes up front that Syracuse can regularly recruit, why would I want to scrap it? If Dino got one thing right, it was switching to the 3-3-5 - so there's no need to scrap it if it works. Obviously, White would continue using the now proven scheme, which is likely a signifigant part of TW's appeal to ADJW.

As far as Beck goes, he's still a mystery to me and I'm not sure it's accurate or necessarily fair his system "the same" as Babers "system" - if he had one. In someways you have to give Beck a Mulligan on this year's poor O bc of GS & CDRW's health/injuries, Sellers de-commit and Lamson's transfer - not to mention the o-line injuries. So btwn those things and the lack of receiving talent on the roster, the guy had his hand tied behind his back and hasn't really been able to show what he can do or what his "system" actually is, imho.

But I've been super impressed with how he's scraped together enough offense these last two weeks - with NO healthy QB - to win one game and compete valiantly in the loss. So if the theory - and that's all it is - that JW may be high on Beck, it could be based more on first hand observations at practice and his past accomplishments as an offensive coach before SU.

I just don't think anyone can assume Beck is a bad OC or dismiss his potential to be a good one based solely on this season. JW may or may not feel the same way - don't know but we shall soon see.
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It is the same schemes. So how does White being HC instead of Dino improve things? If you want to keep the 3-3-5 you can by keeping Dino. No need to fire him.

If the problem on O was injuries, why fire Dino? Especially if you keep the same OC next year?

Is White going to get QB, WR, and OL kids that Dino could not?

White was part of no show teams in 2020-2022 so why will that change in 2024?

You are advocating keeping both the O and D the same. Wouldn't that also be the case with Dino as HC? So why fire him?
 
orangepassion said:
I'm warming up by the Candle:
  • Lots of D-1 Head Coaching success.
  • Good recruiter reputation (named the Mid-American Conference “Recruiter of the Year” by Snout.com in both 2011 and 2012).
  • Good Offensive coach, which I think is harder to find than Defensive.

  • If you can get Mullen, Fritz, or Cignetti, they would be excellent hires/slam dunks with proven sustained HC success.
  • Lewis ditching his team to be an OC is a red flag to me.
  • I do think White has good potential and would be a good recruiter-just missing the HC experience. High upside.
  • I'm not as psyched about Chesney as others-If he was dominating like Leipold at D-3, I'd feel different.
  • Longo is an interesting name that checks off some boxes.
If I'm Wildhack, I'm meeting with as many people as possible and looking for someone who appears extremely motivated with a good plan for success starting with discipline, continuing with recruiting, and ending with recruiting. This includes a plan for a solid staff.

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Me too, recruit Ohio and bring them to the 315. He's my #1, chesney, then lewis
 
GoSU96 said:
Qb is obviously a problem. Other than that the offense isn’t a rebuild. It needs to upgrade two OL and one Wr.

3 of the top 6 OL hardly played this year. At least two of three will be back. I think they need to bring in two more Wholabaugh/Bleich type transfers.

WR, getting a Tristan Jackson type would go a long way to fix WR. That and keeping Gadsden. The other guys aren’t ones but they can be solid enough.
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Disagree Go. Until the Oline proves they are good it is a rebuild. I think Reed is a good piece to build off of. Maybe Cruz. To many ”ifs”. Especially if people want pro style and not run/pass guys at QB. So QB and need 2 of those. Oline. WR. if Allen leaves then RB.
 
swish7 said:
I sincerely hope AD JW is not picking the coordinators.

Hoping for a complete break from Babers & his tree.
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Not picking the coordinators. More like pairing strong, complimentary pieces together - if and only if - both men are willing to agree to such an arrangement. Legit talent is hard to find, hard to acquire and hard to keep. If you have access to and relationships with two talented coaches you believe in, then you try as best you can to keep them in house or get them back into the fold.

And imho, neither White or Beck come from the Babers "tree" - they both (presumably) came onto Wildhack's radar while working for DB. But Beck is from the Mendenhall/Anae tree and White is from the Rocky Long tree - and both trees have had a sustained success in D1 football.
 
1 - I laugh at people that bring up coaches because they could bring some guys with them. So what happens when they graduate? I want the best coach, not who may bring some good players.

2- Unfortunately, Syracuse is a stepping stone school. But so are a lot of other schools. It’s unrealistic to hire someone and expect them to be here for 20 years. As someone else posted in this thread, Oklahoma lost a coach, ND lost a coach, Penn State lost a coach. Everyone loses coaches for one reason or another. If someone wants our coach, that means our coach was successful and did his job. Much easier to hire someone to keep something going rather than building it from the ground up.

3- The more I think about it, the more Sean Lewis excites me. Clearly Lewis was the mastermind of the offense. Once he left, we had one solid year of offense, Dungeys final year. Then it was all downhill from there. We hired Dino because of his offense. Little did we know, it was actually Lewis’ offense. Dino was lost without Lewis. Lewis also has head coaching experience. The guy did things at Kent State, arguably the worst MAC head coaching job and did things at Kent State that haven’t been done since the 60’s. Then he goes to Colorado and has his offense averaging 35 points per game before being demoted. Since then, only 21 points per game. So innovative offensive coach, it’s his offense, so offensive philosophy would always be here as long as he was, previous head coaching experience at an extremely difficult place to win.

4- Still all in on Chesney though. Guys lost 8 games in 3 years. Beat D1 teams UConn and UB. 12-1 last year, only loss was in playoffs to champion South Dakota state. Lost by 21, but was actually the closest playoff game they played. They won the championship against North Dakota state by 24!! This year 7-4 but 2 loses against D1 teams, at Army and at BC. Lost both by 3 points. He essentially as successful against these D1 teams as Dino was, and he’s at an FCS school!!!
 
HRE Otto IV said:
It is the same schemes. So how does White being HC instead of Dino improve things? If you want to keep the 3-3-5 you can by keeping Dino. No need to fire him.

If the problem on O was injuries, why fire Dino? Especially if you keep the same OC next year?

Is White going to get QB, WR, and OL kids that Dino could not?

White was part of no show teams in 2020-2022 so why will that change in 2024?

You are advocating keeping both the O and D the same. Wouldn't that also be the case with Dino as HC? So why fire him?
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Here is my thinking only…

When you get to this level the margin for error is tiny but the difference in results is huge. It’s the same reason a low end Tour player is closer to weekend club olayer than to Tiger or Rory.

Dino is not “that far off” in the grand scheme but it is the culmination of small issues that creates a pretty big gap in the results. So I think someone like Tony can hone in on some of these things and show a lot of improvement without reinventing the wheel.

That leaves aside the whole who wants to coach here stuff…which impacts the whole thing even more
 
CU44SE said:
1 - I laugh at people that bring up coaches because they could bring some guys with them. So what happens when they graduate? I want the best coach, not who may bring some good players.

2- Unfortunately, Syracuse is a stepping stone school. But so are a lot of other schools. It’s unrealistic to hire someone and expect them to be here for 20 years. As someone else posted in this thread, Oklahoma lost a coach, ND lost a coach, Penn State lost a coach. Everyone loses coaches for one reason or another. If someone wants our coach, that means our coach was successful and did his job. Much easier to hire someone to keep something going rather than building it from the ground up.

3- The more I think about it, the more Sean Lewis excites me. Clearly Lewis was the mastermind of the offense. Once he left, we had one solid year of offense, Dungeys final year. Then it was all downhill from there. We hired Dino because of his offense. Little did we know, it was actually Lewis’ offense. Dino was lost without Lewis. Lewis also has head coaching experience. The guy did things at Kent State, arguably the worst MAC head coaching job and did things at Kent State that haven’t been done since the 60’s. Then he goes to Colorado and has his offense averaging 35 points per game before being demoted. Since then, only 21 points per game. So innovative offensive coach, it’s his offense, so offensive philosophy would always be here as long as he was, previous head coaching experience at an extremely difficult place to win.

4- Still all in on Chesney though. Guys lost 8 games in 3 years. Beat D1 teams UConn and UB. 12-1 last year, only loss was in playoffs to champion South Dakota state. Lost by 21, but was actually the closest playoff game they played. They won the championship against North Dakota state by 24!! This year 7-4 but 2 loses against D1 teams, at Army and at BC. Lost both by 3 points. He essentially as successful against these D1 teams as Dino was, and he’s at an FCS school!!!
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Lewis would not be a bad choice at all
 
I do agree the recent struggles on offense and whatever the last two games were have soured the idea of bringing in a defensive head coach. Just seems that side of the ball is so far away that our head coach has to be super focused on that side of the ball. Seems like hiring a defense guy and getting our defense to play at a standard to win games is an easier task. That is why I will always lean offensively for a HC.
 
Some of these names i am seeing proves that people don’t watch any other college football except Syracuse.

Others are just mind boggling. My top 3 so far are Lincoln Riley, Chip Kelly, and Manny Diaz.
 
boog7 said:
A few potential reasons why:
  • maybe ADJW thinks he sees a rising coaching star in TW and thinks he has what it takes to be a winning HC at SU - in spite of the program's acknowledged limitations.
  • maybe ADJW also thinks he sees a rising star in Beck but doesn't think he's ready to take over the program yet - however, maybe JW would still like to keep Beck at SU and possibly pair him w/ TW. And since White and Beck have a history, maybe JW thinks both parties would be OK with that sort of pre-arranged Offense/Defense marriage btwn two talented, up-and-coming young coaches eager to make a name for themselves.
  • maybe JW values White's intimate knowledge of the school, program/recruiting landscape and his family ties/New York roots. And maybe bc of those ties, TW has previously let it be known to JW that if the SU job ever became available, he'd definitely be interested.
  • maybe the SU hierarchy - and JW himself - also place some value in having a minority HC; a potential edge in recruiting/program marketing. I'm sure it's not a deciding factor but it is probably viewed as a plus.
  • maybe JW views a White/Beck tandem as a financially low risk/high reward pathway towards vastly upgrading the team's coaching, while also salvaging as best they can, a promising recruiting class - one of the best in years - and convincing the better players currently on the roster to stay on board.
Have no clue what ADJW is actually thinking of course - just pure SNF-watching conjecture.
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Why would we want what we just had? It’s the same with the Autry hire. You don’t hire from within when a HC is let go because things are going well.
 
Offense sells tickets and is exciting to watch.

We need both in the dome, we thought we had this in Dino to only find out it was the work of Sean Lewis.

I’m not opposed to Sean but a proven leader with an offensive mindset would be great. Chip Kelly is the ideal hire in this mold but it’s not a given he’s leaving UCLA
 
GoSU96 said:
I have no idea what Davis can do or the incoming kid. It would be better if CDRW looked credible but if anything he’s gone backwards. It’s not a good situation, but solvable.

Bradford and Petry should be depth guys, not 12 game starters. That’s what killed the team. If that’s what they are next year the team will be much better.

You always need new starters, it’s the nature of the sport. But it’s not like they have to bring in 22 kids that can play in the ACC. If the three linemen who were hurt all year played 12 games this season looks much different.
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I hope with whomever the new HC is that we get out of the obscure JUCO game. Those guys rarely amount to much.
 
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