That last pass was nunesian

[Millhouse]

Put it out anywhere near the corner where only he can get it

He missed by a mile

This is why babers experimented with devito

It's dungey's team but he's not a good enough passer to win more than seven. I had hope that he made a leap in efficiency but games like this kill him

Hope we have a 2013 type of year now. Getting ranked will have to wait

 

[upperdeck]

devito has the much higher passing upside.. but he also probably gets sacked 6-7 times yesterday where ED made plays.. the question is does he make plays that lead us to not being in those spots where he needs to escape all those times?

 

[P Vasiloff]

devito has the much higher passing upside.. but he also probably gets sacked 6-7 times yesterday where ED made plays.. the question is does he make plays that lead us to not being in those spots where he needs to escape all those times?

Agree but where s that great expereinced offensive line. #59 gets a lot of hype but gets beat pretty often.

 

[orangecuse]

Listening to Dungey's post game remarks is somewhat deflating, not to mention a head scratcher. He admitted he felt the pressure and still decided to loft it up "for grabs" hoping our receiver would be able to make a play...on 1st frigging down, nonetheless. Makes you really question his mental -on field- capacity and situational awareness.

 

[OrangeDW]

devito has the much higher passing upside.. but he also probably gets sacked 6-7 times yesterday where ED made plays.. the question is does he make plays that lead us to not being in those spots where he needs to escape all those times?

Agreed. Though DeVito did make that play (that got taken back by penalty) against WMU where he escaped pressure and found someone on the sideline for a big game. He’s got potential there.

But Dungey after the delay was really making things happen pretty much on his own. I think that dynamic ability is sorely needed...because he’s still the only dynamic player on our whole offense.

Hopefully Jackson and Abdul add that to our team next year and I think Harris, Johnson, and Howard all have that potential too. They’re just young and not fully there yet. Our upperclassmen skill guys are pretty basic.

 

[qdawgg]

devito has the much higher passing upside.. but he also probably gets sacked 6-7 times yesterday where ED made plays.. the question is does he make plays that lead us to not being in those spots where he needs to escape all those times?

Maybe he gets sacked more, maybe not. ED had a lot of time to hold onto the ball at times, maybe Devito makes the better read on those plays. It's not like Devito is immobile

 

[upperdeck]

I am really disappointed in either the reads or the play design.. just from the limited tv angles there were half a dozen times the inside slot guy had position and no safety and we continue to check it short.. if you never throw that, then teams never have to account for it. When you scheme the safety away why are we not reading that as where to go first? i get it on 3rd down plays to take the 1st down but we attack so seldom now and you have to wonder how much is ED and his arm since TD goes deep way more in the little he is in the game.

we barely threw the bubble, we went away from Riley, there were guys open but we always seemed to throw to someone else who was more tightly covered.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I am really disappointed in either the reads or the play design.. just from the limited tv angles there were half a dozen times the inside slot guy had position and no safety and we continue to check it short.. if you never throw that, then teams never have to account for it. When you scheme the safety away why are we not reading that as where to go first? i get it on 3rd down plays to take the 1st down but we attack so seldom now and you have to wonder how much is ED and his arm since TD goes deep way more in the little he is in the game.

we barely threw the bubble, we went away from Riley, there were guys open but we always seemed to throw to someone else who was more tightly covered.

Didn’t Babers say that the qb decides where to go with the ball? It’s EDs call where the bsll goes... he doesnt have the confidence to hit the inside slot or the bubble.

 

[phil77]

So the biggest question is was Dungey ever great in the passing game? I remember a lot of plays where he did just chuck it up to either Etta or Ish and they would win the battle down the field. Occasionally he will make great throws but overall he isn't a consistent accurate passer needed for this system. He is a warrior, leader and playmaker but isn't an accurate passer especially down the field especially in this offense.

 

[cuse10]

So the biggest question is was Dungey ever great in the passing game? I remember a lot of plays where he did just chuck it up to either Etta or Ish and they would win the battle down the field. Occasionally he will make great throws but overall he isn't a consistent accurate passer needed for this system. He is a warrior, leader and playmaker but isn't an accurate passer especially down the field especially in this offense.

Yes. It's not like he was bad. When he had legitimate threats out wide, he would hit those guys in stride. Custis can't do that. Butler can't do that. While Dungey has struggled this season, his cast isn't good enough. That kid from WMU that Babers recruited at BGSU would have been a coup for this offense. That's the type of receiver that Dungey needs and has had in the past. In addition to that, this is the difference between Sean Lewis and Mike Lynch. Lewis would go for the deep pass and over the middle. Lynch is very Lester like in all he calls are screens and RPOs.

 

[Dcuse]

Put it out anywhere near the corner where only he can get it

He missed by a mile

This is why babers experimented with devito

It's dungey's team but he's not a good enough passer to win more than seven. I had hope that he made a leap in efficiency but games like this kill him

Hope we have a 2013 type of year now. Getting ranked will have to wait

Disagree with all. Wasn’t a great pass but let’s face it...Williams got out fought for that ball. It was catchable by a tougher individual. He will be good but like all younger guys, needs to add strength. The Dungey argument is nauseating. Devito wouldn’t have made any tackles yesterday. We scored 37. We are 6-0 with a slightly less than average run defense. It is the OVERWHELMING reason we are where we are at.

 

[tbonezone]

nunes came to my mind . leave your feet and throw into double coverage . stoopid. in overtime or anytime.

 

[Millhouse]

Disagree with all. Wasn’t a great pass but let’s face it...Williams got out fought for that ball. It was catchable by a tougher individual. He will be good but like all younger guys, needs to add strength. The Dungey argument is nauseating. Devito wouldn’t have made any tackles yesterday. We scored 37. We are 6-0 with a slightly less than average run defense. It is the OVERWHELMING reason we are where we are at.

Ok

 

[djorange1989]

It was a dumb risky pass. Use Dungey’s legs against their tired D and after you hopefully score you go for two and the win. First play in OT that is a brutal error. As Millhouse said we will have to wait on being ranked and turning the corner, 6-6 or 7-5 will have to do, and I will take it.

 

[tbonezone]

i'm sensing with eric dungey that it may be between the ears. he's a great athlete and competitor who wants to win so badly he lays it all on the line. but sometimes you have to look at the big picture and your goals.
he's too emotional imo. trash talks too much. takes unnecessary hits when he could slide. i guess that makes him gritty ? gritty is good but game smarts win out in the long run. eric needs to rein it in a bit and play smart.
i'll take the wise man over the heisman every day. this ain't a dungey knock but a correction suggestion.

 

[anomander]

Another big play was after the long Custis pass and short run, it was 2nd and 6 (?) on the around the 25 and ED took off before having the ball im his hands. We recover on the 36 and it's 3 and extremely long. Lot's of mental errors yesterday. You can't have your most experienced player making so many mental errors and expect to win on the road in conference. I don't know what's going on, but he just seems off.I really thought it would have been a good idea to see what Tommy could have done with a couple series.

 

[UelSU]

It was just a really, really poor throw by Eric, but he didn't lose the game on his own. We have lots of issues and now teams know all about them. It will be a struggle from here on out. TD is the future, but we ride or die with ED this year unless he gets hurt.

 

[dasher]

Disagree with all. Wasn’t a great pass but let’s face it...Williams got out fought for that ball. It was catchable by a tougher individual. He will be good but like all younger guys, needs to add strength. The Dungey argument is nauseating. Devito wouldn’t have made any tackles yesterday. We scored 37. We are 6-0 with a slightly less than average run defense. It is the OVERWHELMING reason we are where we are at.

Thank you

 

[Cusefan69]

Location wasn’t great for ED but that’s what happens when you’re basically falling to the ground with two Pitt guys on ya. Maybe I am not recalling that correctly but pretty sure he wasn’t standing there clean and misfired...pretty sure he was getting drilled as he threw it.

 

[shu 49]

Agreed. Though DeVito did make that play (that got taken back by penalty) against WMU where he escaped pressure and found someone on the sideline for a big game. He’s got potential there.

But Dungey after the delay was really making things happen pretty much on his own. I think that dynamic ability is sorely needed...because he’s still the only dynamic player on our whole offense.

Hopefully Jackson and Abdul add that to our team next year and I think Harris, Johnson, and Howard all have that potential too. They’re just young and not fully there yet. Our upperclassmen skill guys are pretty basic.

It’s hard cuz Ed stays on one target. Td might scan faster and quicker. Worth a few series.

 

[leftytg]

If Dungey were even half as good as the majority of this board seems to think he is, Syracuse would be the best non-Clemson team in the ACC.

We're not.

He may or may not be the best option for this team right now. Reasonable minds can differ on that point. But the fact remains that Dungey just isn't all that good of a passer, which is a pretty darn important attribute for a successful QB. Syracuse will never be an efficient offense so long as Dungey is playing QB.

This is important because efficiency on offense is PARTICULARLY important to Syracuse because of the pace we want to play at. We play at a fast pace to try to force the opposing D into a single look, to sow confusion, and to press a conditioning advantage we think we can train for and exploit. In exchange for those benefits, we accept that we're putting our D at a disadvantage. They get less rest and are more exposed than a D with a slower paced offense. 3 and outs are particularly crippling given the overall team strategies.

The idea is that with a high paced AND efficient offense, we'll keep rolling a loaded die and the odds will be such that we'll have more points at the end of the game. In other words, given the hoped for advantages gained by having the fast pace, we'll come out ahead in the end by churning out possessions.

This strategy is severely compromised when the offense isn't efficiency. Dino believes in the system and needs to have buy in and commitment for it. He's running it, despite the fact that the lack of offensive efficiency is hanging out the defense to dry. Dungey isn't accurate enough to open up the playbook and he is too stubborn and committed to hero ball to be counted on as a consistent decision maker.

 

[Millhouse]

Thank you

I didn't argue that Devito should play FYI

 

[upperdeck]

it would not shock me if we didnt script a plan for 1-2 series going forward. still we didnt lose because the offense didnt score. a bunch of crappy things happened, a fumble call, a snap, some breakdowns on D. it all adds up.

 

[Chip]

devito has the much higher passing upside.. but he also probably gets sacked 6-7 times yesterday where ED made plays.. the question is does he make plays that lead us to not being in those spots where he needs to escape all those times?

DeVito can move too, and avoid the rush. I’m not saying it because I want him to play now (unless there’s a Dungey injury that’s causing inaccuracy). I’m only saying it because it’s not something we’re going to lose next year.

 

[qdawgg]

Disagree with all. Wasn’t a great pass but let’s face it...Williams got out fought for that ball. It was catchable by a tougher individual. He will be good but like all younger guys, needs to add strength. The Dungey argument is nauseating. Devito wouldn’t have made any tackles yesterday. We scored 37. We are 6-0 with a slightly less than average run defense. It is the OVERWHELMING reason we are where we are at.

It wasn't a great pass, on 1st down, running, with 2 guys about to sack him. The pass was almost the equivalent of just throwing the ball up on a hail mary. The fact that Williams didn't make a catch on a ball thrown behind him to two defenders is an asinine assessment of what happened. The only part of this that involves Williams is he just so happened to be in the location of where the ball was being thrown. There were many reasons that you don't make that throw given the exact circumstances, to blame the WR is silly.