Class of 2014 The A+ List

[timkay99]

At this point, prospects with known Syracuse offers can safely be considered at or near the top of the recruiting board. Here is what we have (would say we are in good shape for at least 5 of these guys at this early stage):

Quarterbacks​

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William Ulmer (Washington DC)​

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Offers - Boston College, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Nebraska, North Carolina, Southern Miss​

Visits/Camps (24/7 Info) - Ohio State (Nov 24), Maryland (Sept 15), UNC Camp (July 20)​

Oregon has begun recruiting him.​

Timkay99 Leader - Maryland​

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DeShone Kizer (Toledo, OH)​

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Offers - Boston College, Bowling Green, Illinois, Louisville, Michigan State, Nebraska, Penn State, Syracuse (Daoust primary recruiter according to Rivals), Toledo​

Visits/Camps - Michigan State (many visits - coaches visit him and unofficials), Ohio State, Michigan​

Timkay99 Leader - Michigan State​

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A.J. Long (Lebanon, TN)​

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Offers - Arizona, Ohio, Syracuse, UCLA
Visits/Camps - Ton of official visits (Syracuse was first in February of last year). Notable unofficials are Louisville (x2), Vanderbilt, Alabama, NC State and South Carolina
Oregon has begun recruiting him
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Running Backs​

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Jeff Jones (Minneapolis, MN)​

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Committed to Minnesota​

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Charles Davis (Iowa Western CC)​

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Offers - Syracuse, Toledo
Visits/Camps - Unknown, believe he visited
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

Donte Thomas-Williams (Durham, NC)​

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Offers - Clemson, Florida, Minnesota, NC State, Ohio State, Purdue, South Carolina, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
Visits/Camps - North Carolina
* Cleared of a marijuana charge
* Potential package deal with teammate WR Trevion Thompson
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Dallas Rivers (Stone Mountain, GA)​

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Offers - Boston College, Conneticut, Maryland, Nebraska, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Visits/Camps - None reported
* Transferred from Tucker HS to Stephenson HS for senior year
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Naesean Howard (Camillus, NY)​

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Offers - Syracuse, Buffalo
Visits/Camps - None reported
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

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Devin Johnson (Dallas, TX)​

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Offers - Syracuse (Wheatley listed as recruiter, May 18, 2012 offer)
Visits/Camps - None reported
Reportedly receiving interest from LSU, Oklahoma and Oregon
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Troy Robinson (Washington, DC)​

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Offers - Syracuse (Rivals only)
Visits/Camps - None reported
North Carolina interest (247)
Same high school as William Ulmer (QB)
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Wide Receivers​

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Neiko Creamer (Bear, DE)​

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Offers - Rutgers, Tennessee, Boston College, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
Visits/Camps - Tennessee coach visit
Timkay99 Leader - Tennessee (Legacy)

Corey Holmes (Fort Lauderdale, FL)​

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Offers - 23​

Visits/Camps - Many​

Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse​

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Dionte Sykes (Gilbert, AZ)​

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Offers - UCLA, Arizona, Colorado, Michigan, Oregon State, Syracuse​

Visits/Camps - Arizona State, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon
Timkay99 Leader - Arizona State if offers

Jakari Dillard (Princeton, TX)​

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Committed to Texas Tech​

Tight End​

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Garrett Dickerson (Oradell, NJ)​

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Offers - Boston College, Conneticut, Maryland, Michigan, Northwestern, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Carolina, Stanford, Syracuse, Tennessee, Toledo, Vanderbilt
Visits/Camps - Michigan
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Offensive Line​

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Steven Moss (Fredericksburg, VA) - 6'5", 275 (OT)​

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Offers - Boston College, Clemson, East Carolina, Florida State, Illinois, Maryland, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, Penn State, South Carolina, Syracuse, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Visits/Camps - Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Virginia (x2), North Carolina, Ohio State
Timkay99 Leader - Open, but attending Va Tech junior day

Chad Mavety (Garden City, NY) - 6'6", 321 (OT)​

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Offers - Kansas, Miami, NC State, Ohio State, Syracuse
Visits/Camps - None reported
Timkay99 Leader - Open

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Damian Prince (Forestville, MD) - 6'7", 310 (OT)​

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Offers - Ummm, everybody
Visits/Camps - Rutgers, Ohio State
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse - no chance IMO

Connor Hayes (Traverse City, MI) - 6'4", 285 (OG)​

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Offers - Central Michigan, Duke, Indiana, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Western Michigan
Visits/Camps - Indiana (camp and visit), Pitt, Michigan State
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Defensive End​

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Da'Shawn Hand (Woodbridge, VA)​

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Offers - Alabama, Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia Tech (Announced Top 5)
Visits/Camps - Don't Care
Timkay99 Leader - Don't Care

Kurt Holuba (Oradell, NJ)​

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Offers - Boston College, UMass, Rutgers, Syracuse
Visits/Camps - UMass, Boston College, Rutgers
* Same school as TE Garrett Dickerson
Timkay99 Leader - Penn State if offers

Andrew Williams (McDonough, GA)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - Too Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Lawrence Marshall (Southfield, MI)​

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Offers - Bowling Green, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, San Diego State, Syracuse, Toledo
Visits/Camps - Lot of coach visits from Michigan, Michigan State unofficial
Timkay99 Leader - Michigan

Malik McDowell (Detroit, MI)​

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Offers - Florida, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Syracuse, Stanford, Wisconsin
Visits/Camps - Lot of head coach visits
Timkay99 Leader - Michigan

Lorenzo Carter (Norcross, GA)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse

Dewayne Hendrix (O'Fallon, IL)​

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Offers - Illinois, Kansas State, Michigan State, Missouri, Northern Illinois, Ole Miss, South Florida, Syracuse​

Visits/Camps - Shafer visit, Illinois unofficial​

Timkay99 Leader - Open​

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Defensive Tackles​

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Andrew Brown (Chesapeake, VA)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - List trimming, doubt Cuse makes it
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse

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Jay Hayes (Brooklyn, NY)​

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Committed to Notre Dame​

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Linebackers​

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Chris Frey (Upper Arlington, OH)​

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Offers - Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Syracuse, Toledo
Visits/Camps - Boston College, Virginia Tech (x3)
Interet from Virginia Tech, NC State, Tennessee, Indiana
Timkay99 Leader - Virginia Tech if offers

Carl Fuller (Detroit, MI)​

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Offers - Eastern Michigan, Syracuse, Toledo
Visits/Camps - Coach visit by Michigan (Mattison)
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Vincent Jackson (Tampa, FL)​

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Offers - Over 30
Visits/Camps - Everywhere
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Deon Drake (Detroit, MI)​

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Committed to Michigan State​

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Defensive Backs​

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D'Andre Payne (Washington, DC)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Kiy Hester (Montvale, NJ)​

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Offers - Many, Over 20
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Uphill climb for Syracuse

Wesley Green (Lithonia, GA)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Quincy Wilson (Fort Lauderdale, FL)​

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Offers - Over 30
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Significant uphill battle

Cortez McDowell (Locust Grove, GA)​

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Offers - Everybody
Visits/Camps - Georgia, Florida State
Timkay99 Leader - Alabama (recruited by Kirby Smart)

Jalen Williams (Newburgh, NY)​

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Offers - Syracuse
Visits/Camps - Penn State
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

Athletes​

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Juwann Winfree (Englewood, NJ)​

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Offers - Maryland, Michigan, Old Dominion, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Vanderbilt
Visits/Camps - Rutgers (x2), Maryland
Timkay99 Leader - Rutgers, but Cuse is in it

Terry Googer (College Park, GA)​

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Offers - Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Notre Dame, South Carolina, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Notre Dame

Myles Autry (Norcross, GA)​

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Offers - 20 plus
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Georgia

Omar Truitt (Washington, DC)​

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Offers - Richmond, Syracuse
Visits/Camps - Rutgers, Penn State (x2), West Virginia, Auburn
Timkay99 Leader - Penn State if offers

Curtis Samuel (Brooklyn, NY)​

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Offers - Conneticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia​

Visits/Camps - None reported​

Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse due to previous players from Erasmus Hall to attend​

 

[texascpa]

Wow, someone has been doing their homework. Thanks for the informative post.

 

[javadoc]

Where did you get that list? Are those Marrone's offers or Shafers'? If the former, are you sure that they still have an offer from the new staff, especially the guys on O?

 

[Marroniac]

Hopefully we can add Harold Cooper (cousin of Corey) to that list. He's a burner.

 

[jekelish]

The sheer effort alone should earn you dozens of likes.

 

[Cusefan4life]

At this point, prospects with known Syracuse offers can safely be considered at or near the top of the recruiting board. Here is what we have (would say we are in good shape for at least 5 of these guys at this early stage):

Quarterbacks​

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William Ulmer (Washington DC)​

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Offers - Boston College, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Nebraska, North Carolina, Southern Miss
Visits/Camps (24/7 Info) - Ohio State (Nov 24), Maryland (Sept 15), UNC Camp (July 20)
Oregon has begun recruiting him.
Timkay99 Leader - Maryland

DeShone Kizer (Toledo, OH)​

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Offers - Boston College, Bowling Green, Illinois, Louisville, Michigan State, Nebraska, Penn State, Syracuse (Daoust primary recruiter according to ), Toledo
Visits/Camps - Michigan State (many visits - coaches visit him and unofficials), Ohio State, Michigan
Timkay99 Leader - Michigan State

A.J. Long (Lebanon, TN)​

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Offers- Arizona, Ohio, Syracuse, UCLA

Visits/Camps - Ton of official visits (Syracuse was first in February of last year). Notable unofficials are Louisville (x2), Vanderbilt, Alabama, NC State and South Carolina
Oregon has begun recruiting him
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Running Backs​

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Jeff Jones (Minneapolis, MN)​

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Committed to Minnesota​

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Charles Davis (Iowa Western CC)​

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Offers- Syracuse, Toledo

Visits/Camps - Unknown, believe he visited
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

Donte Thomas-Williams (Durham, NC)​

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Offers- Clemson, Florida, Minnesota, NC State, Ohio State, Purdue, South Carolina, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

Visits/Camps - North Carolina
* Cleared of a marijuana charge
* Potential package deal with teammate WR Trevion Thompson
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Dallas Rivers (Stone Mountain, GA)​

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Offers- Boston College, Conneticut, Maryland, Nebraska, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, West Virginia

Visits/Camps - None reported
* Transferred from Tucker HS to Stephenson HS for senior year
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Naesean Howard (Camillus, NY)​

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Offers- Syracuse, Buffalo

Visits/Camps - None reported
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

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Devin Johnson (Dallas, TX)​

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Offers- Syracuse (Wheatley listed as recruiter, May 18, 2012 offer)

Visits/Camps - None reported
Reportedly receiving interest from LSU, Oklahoma and Oregon
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Troy Robinson (Washington, DC)​

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Offers- Syracuse ( only)

Visits/Camps - None reported
North Carolina interest (247)
Same high school as William Ulmer (QB)
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Wide Receivers​

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Neiko Creamer (Bear, DE)​

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Offers - Rutgers, Tennessee, Boston College, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
Visits/Camps - Tennessee coach visit
Timkay99 Leader - Tennessee (Legacy)

Corey Holmes (Fort Lauderdale, FL)​

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Offers - 23
Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse

Dionte Sykes (Gilbert, AZ)​

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Offers - UCLA, Arizona, Colorado, Michigan, Oregon State, Syracuse
Visits/Camps - Arizona State, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon
Timkay99 Leader - Arizona State if offers

Jakari Dillard (Princeton, TX)​

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Committed to Texas Tech​

Tight End​

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Garrett Dickerson (Oradell, NJ)​

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Offers- Boston College, Conneticut, Maryland, Michigan, Northwestern, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Carolina, Stanford, Syracuse, Tennessee, Toledo, Vanderbilt

Visits/Camps - Michigan
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Offensive Line​

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Steven Moss (Fredericksburg, VA) - 6'5", 275 (OT)​

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Offers- Boston College, Clemson, East Carolina, Florida State, Illinois, Maryland, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, Penn State, South Carolina, Syracuse, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia

Visits/Camps - Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Virginia (x2), North Carolina, Ohio State
Timkay99 Leader - Open, but attending Va Tech junior day

Chad Mavety (Garden City, NY) - 6'6", 321 (OT)​

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Offers- Kansas, Miami, NC State, Ohio State, Syracuse

Visits/Camps - None reported
Timkay99 Leader - Open

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Damian Prince (Forestville, MD) - 6'7", 310 (OT)​

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Offers- Ummm, everybody

Visits/Camps - Rutgers, Ohio State
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse - no chance IMO

Connor Hayes (Traverse City, MI) - 6'4", 285 (OG)​

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Offers- Central Michigan, Duke, Indiana, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Western Michigan

Visits/Camps - Indiana (camp and visit), Pitt, Michigan State
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Defensive End​

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Da'Shawn Hand (Woodbridge, VA)​

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Offers- Alabama, Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, Virginia Tech (Announced Top 5)

Visits/Camps - Don't Care
Timkay99 Leader - Don't Care

Kurt Holuba (Oradell, NJ)​

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Offers- Boston College, UMass, Rutgers, Syracuse

Visits/Camps - UMass, Boston College, Rutgers
* Same school as TE Garrett Dickerson
Timkay99 Leader - Penn State if offers

Andrew Williams (McDonough, GA)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - Too Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Lawrence Marshall (Southfield, MI)​

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Offers- Bowling Green, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, San Diego State, Syracuse, Toledo

Visits/Camps - Lot of coach visits from Michigan, Michigan State unofficial
Timkay99 Leader - Michigan

Malik McDowell (Detroit, MI)​

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Offers- Florida, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Syracuse, Stanford, Wisconsin

Visits/Camps - Lot of head coach visits
Timkay99 Leader - Michigan

Lorenzo Carter (Norcross, GA)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse

Dewayne Hendrix (O'Fallon, IL)​

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Offers - Illinois, Kansas State, Michigan State, Missouri, Northern Illinois, Ole Miss, South Florida, Syracuse
Visits/Camps - Shafer visit, Illinois unofficial
Timkay99 Leader - Open

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Defensive Tackles​

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Andrew Brown (Chesapeake, VA)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - List trimming, doubt Cuse makes it
Timkay99 Leader - Not Syracuse

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Jay Hayes (Brooklyn, NY)​

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Committed to Notre Dame​

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Linebackers​

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Chris Frey (Upper Arlington, OH)​

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Offers- Akron, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Syracuse, Toledo

Visits/Camps - Boston College, Virginia Tech (x3)
Interet from Virginia Tech, NC State, Tennessee, Indiana
Timkay99 Leader - Virginia Tech if offers

Carl Fuller (Detroit, MI)​

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Offers- Eastern Michigan, Syracuse, Toledo

Visits/Camps - Coach visit by Michigan (Mattison)
Timkay99 Leader - Open

Vincent Jackson (Tampa, FL)​

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Offers- Over 30

Visits/Camps - Everywhere
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Deon Drake (Detroit, MI)​

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Committed to Michigan State​

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Defensive Backs​

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D'Andre Payne (Washington, DC)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Kiy Hester (Montvale, NJ)​

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Offers- Many, Over 20

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Uphill climb for Syracuse

Wesley Green (Lithonia, GA)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - No shot for Syracuse

Quincy Wilson (Fort Lauderdale, FL)​

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Offers- Over 30

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Significant uphill battle

Cortez McDowell (Locust Grove, GA)​

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Offers- Everybody

Visits/Camps - Georgia, Florida State
Timkay99 Leader - Alabama (recruited by Kirby Smart)

Jalen Williams (Newburgh, NY)​

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Offers- Syracuse

Visits/Camps - Penn State
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse

Athletes​

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Juwann Winfree (Englewood, NJ)​

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Offers- Maryland, Michigan, Old Dominion, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Vanderbilt

Visits/Camps - Rutgers (x2), Maryland
Timkay99 Leader - Rutgers, but Cuse is in it

Terry Googer (College Park, GA)​

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Offers- Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Notre Dame, South Carolina, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Notre Dame

Myles Autry (Norcross, GA)​

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Offers- 20 plus

Visits/Camps - Many
Timkay99 Leader - Georgia

Omar Truitt (Washington, DC)​

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Offers- Richmond, Syracuse

Visits/Camps - Rutgers, Penn State (x2), West Virginia, Auburn
Timkay99 Leader - Penn State if offers

Curtis Samuel (Brooklyn, NY)​

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Offers - Conneticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia
Visits/Camps - None reported
Timkay99 Leader - Syracuse due to previous players from Erasmus Hall to attend

Would like to land Curtis and Naes to keep NY footprint.

 

[timkay99]

Where did you get that list? Are those Marrone's offers or Shafers'? If the former, are you sure that they still have an offer from the new staff, especially the guys on O?

Based on who is listed as offers on R****s and 247.

Obviously, there is great potential for these guys to be Marrone's offers. But, figured this would be a solid starting point as piece together the early offers (figure anyone with an offer by March or April is an A-list guy).

I know some of these guys have Wheatley listed as their recruiter (mostly midwest), so would assume someone would take over for him.

 

[javadoc]

Based on who is listed as offers on and 247.

Obviously, there is great potential for these guys to be Marrone's offers. But, figured this would be a solid starting point as piece together the early offers (figure anyone with an offer by March or April is an A-list guy).

I know some of these guys have Wheatley listed as their recruiter (mostly midwest), so would assume someone would take over for him.

OK cool, thx. I really wonder if the "profile" will change for some of the guys on O, especially WR's. It sounded like Marrone & co. had a system for evaluating prospects based on measurables, even down to hand size. We seem to have a lot of big WR's who are moderately fast, but no real burners, with the possible exception of Kobena. I wonder if McD wants speed more than anything, and will take shorter guys, or guys with more wiggle in general, and profile be damned.

 

[Crusty]

Hey Tim, nice work.

 

[timkay99]

I wonder if McD wants speed more than anything, and will take shorter guys, or guys with more wiggle in general, and profile be damned.

I agree 100 % on this. Judging by the players they were pursuing, it looks like speed will be a much more important factor to recruiting on offense.

I am excited to see the type of offensive skill players they target.

 

[PhatOrange]

It's from Scowt.

 

[Crusty]

He even wants TEs that can get downfield.

 

[jec1521]

Would love to get Garrett Dickerson. I'm an alum of the school he goes to (Bergen Catholic) and I've been impressed. Kiy hester is also very good.

 

[hburgcuse]

Thanks for the research!
3 biggest needs for next year's class, in my opinion = RB, QB, LB

Love to see that you have Howard, Davis, and Samuel listed with SU as the leader. 3 RB's (or Samuel at another position) next year to make up for the lack of any in this class would be sweet!

 

[Cuseregular]

I believe if I'm not mistaken, Nas Howard has offers from Nebraska and Utah too (this according to the data base here). Apparently also getting looks from some of the other big boys.

 

[orangenirvana]

Poncho Barnwell?

 

[CuseLegacy]

http://syracusefan.com/footballdatabase.php

Think you might find some additional info here under class of 2014. \\\

 

[CaliCuse]

Poncho Barnwell?

Since he is at Nassau CC I'm guessing they are watching him close. If Panch o has improved and still coming he would be on any A list.I would love to know who George is going after nat RB.There is a Florida kid who ranks pretty high "Sony Michel".

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Tim, if SU were to land Dickerson, JT from the other board will soil himself.

 

[timkay99]

Tim, if SU were to land Dickerson, JT from the other board will soil himself.

Haha, I know. I was thinking about that when was checking out the reported early offers.

 

[Shaggy]

Poncho Barnwell?

probably a lost cause

 

[Dnyr85]

probably a lost cause

Why do you say that?

 

[Shaggy]

Why do you say that?

only played in a few blow out games last year, did not do much at the Juco level.

 

[Dnyr85]

only played in a few blow out games last year, did not do much at the Juco level.

I see. I only asked because a coach(money3189, knows a lot about the kids from the Rochester area) posted this elsewhere:

"doing well academically. He didnt play as much as he wanted. They had two returning DE's. One with D1 offers and the other with D2 offers. He's gonna hit the S &C hard this off season, Nassau staff expecting big things from him next year. SU is still keeping tabs. Not sure if other schools been in to see him. He needed to get away from Rochester. Best thing for him"

I am in the group that hopes it works out well for him and he finds his way to the hill.

 

[Shaggy]

I see. I only asked because a coach(money3189, knows a lot about the kids from the Rochester area) posted this elsewhere:

"doing well academically. He didnt play as much as he wanted. They had two returning DE's. One with D1 offers and the other with D2 offers. He's gonna hit the S &C hard this off season, Nassau staff expecting big things from him next year. SU is still keeping tabs. Not sure if other schools been in to see him. He needed to get away from Rochester. Best thing for him"

I am in the group that hopes it works out well for him and he finds his way to the hill.

I am in the same group, never wish a kid bad, but I don't know if he has what is takes football wise. I do however hope he proves me wrong.