The Chancellor Hire Will Determine Our Fate

[Scooch]

The reality is Syracuse has no choice but to invest in athletics in order to remain a successful academic institution. With enrollment trends and how students are selecting colleges, we have to be able to offer students a big time college sports environment. The school has this data and knows it. Without it, Syracuse is a very overpriced middle of the road university in a location a lot of students don’t want to go when they can go south for college or select less expensive schools in the northeast or ones with better academic rankings.

Look at the peers in the northeast and it’s obvious. BC falls back on academic reputation and its location. All the small liberal arts schools have much better academic reputations throughout the northeast. Then you have state or smaller schools that are more affordable.

Without sports, Syracuse could be a failing university. Kent knew that and it’s why he supported athletics. You can only spend so much of course but we have spent a lot. We just got stuck with a bad replacement for Boeheim after his end of career issues.

Everyone should read this post. Then read it again. Then ponder it for 5 minutes. And read it again. Copy it into a Word doc. Then refer to it every 3 weeks or so.

It's 1000% spot on about the reality of Syracuse University.

 

[jr4750]

Without sports, Syracuse could be a failing university. Kent knew that and it’s why he supported athletics. You can only spend so much of course but we have spent a lot. We just got stuck with a bad replacement for Boeheim after his end of career issues.

He literally reiterated that this week in his Senate remarks. I hope the new Chancellor agrees.

Chancellor Syverud Highlights University’s $1.8B Economic Impact in Senate Address

Thanks to the Athletics Policy Committee for their report. If there’s any Power-Four-Conference university in the country that claims all the money for athletics is coming from within athletics efforts, I think they’re not being transparent. I will tell you; the answer is some of the money is...

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[SUFan44]

Jw is perfectly capable

Is he though?

 

[LpoolNative]

Is he though?

Yes, this “jw is incompetent” narrative has already been disproven months ago.

Enough.

 

[SUFan44]

Yes, this “jw is incompetent” narrative has already been disproven months ago.

Enough.

Why? Because a few internet posters believe otherwise?

I could re-litigate this for days, but his tenure hasn't exactly been successful with on-field/court results. In any way, shape or form.

 

[721Comstock]

Why? Because a few internet posters believe otherwise?

I could re-litigate this for days, but his tenure hasn't exactly been successful with on-field/court results. In any way, shape or form.

So…

We didn’t win 10 games and get ranked in Football in ‘24?

We didn’t have our best HS crootin class EVER
- and first 5* croot in decades -
just this past cycle?

We didn’t spend 100’s of million$ on Dome renovations?

Cuse Soccer won a Natty! 1st ever!!

Women’s hoops team is quite good this year.

The only true clunker was hiring Red -
and the BOT (and JAB) had a lot more to do with that than Wildhack.

But, other than that…

 

[tbonezone]

meet your new chancellor

imagine the fun watching our players running down the concourse airplane arms out ...

 

[elimunelson]

Everyone should read this post. Then read it again. Then ponder it for 5 minutes. And read it again. Copy it into a Word doc. Then refer to it every 3 weeks or so.

It's 1000% spot on about the reality of Syracuse University.

Sure. Why does bc continue to increase enrollment w their building 19 (scooch will get it) athletic dept?

Oh yeah they have a top academic standing

Cornell, Colgate are doing fine.

I don’t buy it. Our athletics enhance they can’t be the main star or we are doomed

 

[Scooch]

Sure. Why does bc continue to increase enrollment w their building 19 (scooch will get it) athletic dept?

Oh yeah they have a top academic standing

Cornell, Colgate are doing fine.

I don’t buy it. Our athletics enhance they can’t be the main star or we are doomed

It helps that BC is in Boston (well, Newton).

I don’t think the idea is that SU exists solely because of top flight football or hoops. But it’s a major draw (the research backs it up) and a major differentiator.

 

[Cusefan95]

Why? Because a few internet posters believe otherwise?

I could re-litigate this for days, but his tenure hasn't exactly been successful with on-field/court results. In any way, shape or form.

Folks like you are why I worry the next AD will make Gross look stellar by comparison.

Who wants to take a thankless job, at a university with far less resources than the big dogs, and that has a BOT that plays politics and stifles your hiring ability, AND a delusional fan base that doesn’t acknowledge any of the above?

Your “relegating” would be a toddler’s tantrum masking as an argument. I have no doubt you could do that for days. I’m not sure why you think that’s going to be persuasive to the adults here.

 

[DonutHole]

Following a legend is never easy, and although it sometimes works out, much of the time it does not. Right now, Red is the keeper of the mausoleum.

You only need to look at SU football. Ben was a legend and after his career ground to a halt, it took 14 years for Mac to reach the stage of the program being turned around. Even prior to '87, he was struggling and the Sack Mac Pack was a real thing.

Then the Coach P years came along and today, they look like Vince Lombardi compared to what followed. Coach P was pushed out in 2004, and over 20 years later, including 5 coaches...3 of whom were fired and one left on his own...the program has yet to be "turned around".

We hope that Fran is that guy, but that has certainly not yet been written.

A lot will be riding on our next basketball coach selection. There will be a number of shiny objects who have had some success at lower levels. Maybe they will work, more often they do not.

There will likely be a fair amount of turnover on the current roster as well. 4 seniors will be gone, Freeman may well head to the draft, some of the frosh simply will not be retained by the new staff, and some of the guys we would like to keep may look elsewhere.

We are probably headed for a few more bumpy years.

The football program under Coach Ben deteriorated to a point where it had to be completely rebuilt, including the stadium. That was the administration's fault. Syracuse is not a sports oriented school; they will never pay the money on sports that other schools will do. They gave Red a chance whereas other schools would have replaced Boeheim with a coach with successful head coaching experience.

 

[Dcuse]

The new chancellor is already at Syracuse and already involved in things

Ask him who our next coach is.

 

[Cusefan69]

Out of curiosity, what is the “budget year” up at SU? I read online ends June 30th and the new year starts July 1st? If so that means ADJW can talk with the the new chancellor about desired coaching budget for the new men’s basketball coach and staff and hopefully get a market competitive line item in the budget that will help SU go after the better coaching talent. Would that require some directional approval from BoT?

 

[jr4750]

Folks like you are why I worry the next AD will make Gross look stellar by comparison.

Who wants to take a thankless job, at a university with far less resources than the big dogs, and that has a BOT that plays politics and stifles your hiring ability, AND a delusional fan base that doesn’t acknowledge any of the above?

Your “relegating” would be a toddler’s tantrum masking as an argument. I have no doubt you could do that for days. I’m not sure why you think that’s going to be persuasive to the adults here.

I believe you about the BOT. My question is on how much worse it could be? I think what we have seen is a decent into mediocrity in almost every sport. With that has come indifference in the fanbase. I look directly at myself. I never watch hoops anymore and I spent 30 years being a rabid fan and donor. Below mediocrity is what for us? I am likely naive, but I am not sure we will notice much of a difference in our fall at this point further into the abyss. Our inability to compete has been very apparent over these last few years. It has been very tough to stomach.

 

[tipphill]

Is he though?

You must be thinking of dr. Gross.

 

[Cusefan95]

I believe you about the BOT. My question is on how much worse it could be? I think what we have seen is a decent into mediocrity in almost every sport. With that has come indifference in the fanbase. I look directly at myself. I never watch hoops anymore and I spent 30 years being a rabid fan and donor. Below mediocrity is what for us? I am likely naive, but I am not sure we will notice much of a difference in our fall at this point further into the abyss. Our inability to compete has been very apparent over these last few years. It has been very tough to stomach.

I’ve learned asking how much worse things can be is always a bad idea; the gods hear it as a challenge to be met.

 

[Col. Bleep]

I don’t know a single
Kid - myself included - who chose a school because of the athletics (unless the kid was a recruit).

High level sports teams is nice to add to the college experience.
But not very Influential
In the initial decision.

It may add to a school’s national profile and help get Kids to notice
and check out the school.
But athletics alone Means
Very little.

 

[Sdot]

I don’t know a single
Kid - myself included - who chose a school because of the athletics (unless the kid was a recruit).

High level sports teams is nice to add to the college experience.
But not very Influential
In the initial decision.

It may add to a school’s national profile and help get Kids to notice
and check out the school.
But athletics alone Means
Very little.

A lot of my friends chose school the past few years on 3 things 1. Majoring in 2. Party schools 3. Sports (cheer for)

 

[richmondcuse03]

I don’t know a single
Kid - myself included - who chose a school because of the athletics (unless the kid was a recruit).

High level sports teams is nice to add to the college experience.
But not very Influential
In the initial decision.

It may add to a school’s national profile and help get Kids to notice
and check out the school.
But athletics alone Means
Very little.

 

[Scooch]

I don’t know a single
Kid - myself included - who chose a school because of the athletics (unless the kid was a recruit).

High level sports teams is nice to add to the college experience.
But not very Influential
In the initial decision.

It may add to a school’s national profile and help get Kids to notice
and check out the school.
But athletics alone Means
Very little.

When did you go to college?