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The Dome was empty...again. Where are the fans?

We win the Houston game as we should have and the majority of fans would be perfectly happy with our record before the Hofstra game. Make a couple free throws yesterday or get a call at the end and we win and the goals of the season are still there. But you be you man
I mean sure, if you take out the worse loss of the year and replace it with what would be the best win of the year that would make most people happy. When the committee takes almosts into consideration I’ll be sure to think about this
 
With the exception of the fluky Final Four run and a couple of Sweet 16s, the last 10-11 years have been bad. We have, by far, the biggest arena in all of college basketball and we finished, what, 7th in attendance last year? That’s what bad, no-NCAA bid hoops will do.

4th in overall attendance. 5th in average attendance per game.

RankInstitutionTotal AttendanceAvg Attendance
1North Carolina307,82120,521
2Kentucky366,00720,334
3Tennessee340,43620,026
4Arkansas341,93518,996
5Syracuse321,10318,888
 
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I don’t think enough of this board acknowledges this. Everyone references the last 5 years as not being to our standard. No, it’s been over a decade at this point since we’ve been truly relevant and mentioned on a national scale.

Since then our best seasons have consisted of 20 wins and being nowhere near ranked. We are has-beens.
This sums up everything SU athletics related.
 
I don’t think enough of this board acknowledges this. Everyone references the last 5 years as not being to our standard. No, it’s been over a decade at this point since we’ve been truly relevant and mentioned on a national scale.

Since then our best seasons have consisted of 20 wins and being nowhere near ranked. We are has-beens.
Remember when not making the Sweet 16 was a failed season?
 
I don’t think enough of this board acknowledges this. Everyone references the last 5 years as not being to our standard. No, it’s been over a decade at this point since we’ve been truly relevant and mentioned on a national scale.

Since then our best seasons have consisted of 20 wins and being nowhere near ranked. We are has-beens.
This is an interesting discussion. Our results have been disappointing for a decade running. But I don’t think we’ve been “irrelevant” in terms of fan interest.

2015 was the probation year and the 2016 regular season wasn’t special, but we made the Final 4 run and that inherently leads to interest the following season.

2018 was a Sweet 16 run, then Tyus Battle returned for 2019, and expectations were pretty high for that team.

To me, it was 2020 onward when the real irrelevance began. There weren’t many huge recruits, no high expectations, and certainly little on court greatness.

So from a fan interest standpoint only, I do think it’s more like 5 years than 10.
 
This is an interesting discussion. Our results have been disappointing for a decade running. But I don’t think we’ve been “irrelevant” in terms of fan interest.

2015 was the probation year and the 2016 regular season wasn’t special, but we made the Final 4 run and that inherently leads to interest the following season.

2018 was a Sweet 16 run, then Tyus Battle returned for 2019, and expectations were pretty high for that team.

To me, it was 2020 onward when the real irrelevance began. There weren’t many huge recruits, no high expectations, and certainly little on court greatness.

So from a fan interest standpoint only, I do think it’s more like 5 years than 10.
I feel like the OT win at Duke in 2019 was the line of demarcation.
 
4th in overall attendance. 5th in average attendance per game.

RankInstitutionTotal AttendanceAvg Attendance
1North Carolina307,82120,521
2Kentucky366,00720,334
3Tennessee340,43620,026
4Arkansas341,93518,996
5Syracuse321,10318,888
That’s nice and all, but I was at games last year in league play where there may have been 5000 people there.
 
This is an interesting discussion. Our results have been disappointing for a decade running. But I don’t think we’ve been “irrelevant” in terms of fan interest.

2015 was the probation year and the 2016 regular season wasn’t special, but we made the Final 4 run and that inherently leads to interest the following season.

2018 was a Sweet 16 run, then Tyus Battle returned for 2019, and expectations were pretty high for that team.

To me, it was 2020 onward when the real irrelevance began. There weren’t many huge recruits, no high expectations, and certainly little on court greatness.

So from a fan interest standpoint only, I do think it’s more like 5 years than 10.
I think 2021 was fine. Hard to gauge how many games we could have won that season because of Covid, but we finished 18-10 and had a winning record in league play while going to the Sweet 16. The team could have been great the next year had we kept certain players that were jettisoned.
 
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When they decided to put all that money into the dome the writing was on the wall. Remember that opening game when they played UVA and scored 34 points!!! The signs were all there well before that but they chose to ignore it. Crazy when higher education institutions with all the resources available to them make really stupid decisions.

I see on this board a lot that the University just doesn’t have a lot of money. Well when you invest $125 ,000,000 in an aging stadium you better make sure the product you put out is going to be worth watching. It’s become clear that many fans think it’s not.

I’ve told my son that in my life Syracuse University had a football program consistently ranked in the top twenty. A basketball program that consistently competed for National Championships. And a lacrosse program that consistently won National Championships. They let it all go.

Just imagine how much easier it would be to deal with NIL, and all the other things that have been introduced to college athletics, if they could / would have kept that up.

When you have that success you have to do everything you can to keep it. That means making hard decisions to change formerly successful coaches when they’re showing signs of slipping. SU didn’t do that with Pasqualini, Boeheim , and Desko. The school and a lot of the fan base looked at past success but not at present problems.

You pay a heavy price when you ignore the obvious.
 
I don’t think enough of this board acknowledges this. Everyone references the last 5 years as not being to our standard. No, it’s been over a decade at this point since we’ve been truly relevant and mentioned on a national scale.

Since then our best seasons have consisted of 20 wins and being nowhere near ranked. We are has-beens.

I’m going to leave this here from 2017. Mike Waters saw this trend and questioned it very early even 8 months after a final four.
 
Well its the brainless University people that’ll point a finger at the fans before their own decisions, or the decisions of those they’ve advocated for.

The Cowboys get 100,000 fans and still are one of the worst run franchises in sports.
Unfortunately I am a cowboys fan too and you're right about terrible ownership there.

I've seen terrible coaching in Football and basketball over the last 20 years of watching between SU and Cowboys. Red is a mediocre coach at best. And nobody is striving for mediocre.
 
He absolutely is. No accountability.

But the University!
But the board!

Why even have an athletic department then?

Historically the reason for the AD at Syracuse has been to provide cover for the administration and take the bullets for the decisions they crammed down the athletic department’s throat. The ADs role was to take the bullets and keep his pie hole shut about the fact he was getting screwed. That’s why we had the “unique” accounting in the 90s where funds almost all other schools allocated to the AD were going to the general fund, causing Syracuse to fall further and further behind when the spending arms race was in full swing.

The AD is also supposed to handle all the hard questions from the media, because we’ve seen what happens when the media goes around the AD. We get Shaw telling the fans to get a life…not good. I guarantee nobody on the BOT wants to give a presser explaining why they wanted Red so badly right now - they’ll let John handle those questions instead.

This really isn’t that hard to understand - if Wildhack were to get fired, what it communicates to everyone relevant is that the role of AD at Syracuse is to deal with whatever decisions the BOT crams down your throat, deal with the horrible PR mess that is created as a result, and ultimately get fired if the PR is too negative for the school to stomach anymore. Does that sound like a job opportunity a lot of highly qualified upwardly mobile individuals are going to sign up for? (Hint: the answer is no).

Looking at all the empty seats at basketball games, it’s obvious the Red experiment has failed. I have no idea how this entire process played out - but if Wildhack was expressing concerns with the approach to the administration/BOT as we moved on from JB and hired Red - he’s in a FANTASTIC position to say “I told you so” (although it needs to be more diplomatic than that) and start to leverage this trainwreck into more decision-making power than the AD at Syracuse has typically had. It’s realistically the only shot for athletics at Syracuse getting sustainably better. If he gets fired, it means the BOT is on the hunt for another figurehead to raise funds and take the bullets when their imposed decisions fail. I think a lot of people on here would celebrate Wildhack getting fired, oblivious to the fact that effectively dooms Syracuse athletics for generations at minimum, possibly forever.

Accountability is absolutely needed. But accountability without authority - which is what you are advocating for - is catastrophically bad. I’ve seen in the corporate world instances where people leveraged a disaster into more authority for themselves that they should have had in the first place - so I’m hopeful JW can run the same playbook here and help lead Syracuse out of the current mess.

(PS - If Wildhack wasn’t expressing concerns with the process that led to Red - then we’re screwed regardless. I highly doubt that is the case though).
 
i just got lazy. was a season ticketholder from 1995-2020. By then had 2 in college, team sucked, cold as hell and the fan base at the games drove me crazy. People showing up late, up and down the aisles, armchair referees screaming every possession. Its warmer, more comfortable, i dont have to listen to johnny jerkoff screaming every possession and the beer is cheaper to stay home and watch on TV. I still attend 2-3 games a season if someone invites me and everytime I attend I swear I wont go back. Maybe i'm just getting too old and cranky.
 
This is a neat site that allows for a lot of data visualization.

This is based on KP ranking data (I think) and shows it going back to 2003 (nice). You can see where the bottom started falling out and the new normal, followed by another decline and the new normal, followed by another decline and new normal, etc. Lower lows and lower highs.

Attendance (not shown) is a lagging indicator of decline/improvement. I'd expect that actual butts in seats numbers follow a similar trend offset by 2-3 seasons.

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