The Meadowlands Game - Success or Failure?

[SUMBA]

I am all for playing one "home" game per year in the swamps. It helps us with the New York City's college team thing, which I think is important. Second, it makes it more attractive for teams like USC to play a home and "home." Finally, it can't hurt recruiting in NJ.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

IF we draw 40K can we play it at CitiField?

Otherwise I am with Scooch, get ND and PSU, and we cut the deal when we were in a bad conference. We're now going to a good conference where the OOC thing isn't going to matter that much. It looked like a lacrosse crowd on TV.

Why not. The Mets aren't using it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If this was just a special, kickoff classic type game every 4 years, I'd be fine with it. It's the extended nature if the deal that bothers me.

I will say, having attended the game, I was impressed with the way we were treated like the home team. ALL the ads around the stadium signage were SU. The MetLife sign flashed ORANGE. Even the crowd shots were predominately Syracuse. It just seemed like a great showcase for our program. But why do it every year and never bring a top flight program into the Dome again... That's we're the concept loses me.

Nothing screams NY College Classic like Mr Excitement, and the Kiss Cam.

 

[RoysRunts]

Ugh how about 5 hours? That also cuts both ways.

Nothing Screams NY'S Team by playing in New Jersey . Gov Christie is happy for your support. :bat:

 

[Jeepers]

To land the #1 prospect in the state, for perception alone, is huge. Someone like EO doesn't even have to become a star. It's more about keeping the #1 prospect in the state, in the state. You don't think recruits thinking about choosing Rutgers will think twice about it with us playing USC in their backyard?

I'm glad Gross is the AD and not some of you guys. Would you rather go back to Jake? He was a good AD, but had zero vision and wasn't forward thinking. Forward thinking means you're going to have some stinkers (GRob/Nikegate) and take some chances/sacrifices (this game). I was at the game, and while it seemed like there were slightly more USC fans, I think it was a great success. What do you expect, when they are #2 in the country vs. a "SU is a basketball school" team still turning it around?

Re: NYC alum. Most NYC residents don't have a car. I don't know what the breakdown of tri-state alums residing in NYC is, but it's something to think about. The bus to Syracuse is awful and the train takes forever (especially if you get stuck behind a freight train). It sucks to lose a true home game, but I have little sympathy for the "Syracuse traffic!" types.

We have some great fans. Just look at the MSG games. But we're a small private school. We will never fill up stadiums like a public state school. Which is why I think we need to brand the entire state (and not just NYC). Hell, let's play a game in Buffalo, too!

You know why else it was successful? I haven't heard one person mention the "Syracuse is turning it around" thing when talking about the game. We're now officially average. That's a helluva lot better than where we were a few years ago.

 

[SU2NASA]

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it. I prefer to think Dougie needs to grow a pair and trust in his team's ability to get 2 yards.

Or to get 6 inches, inside the 1, when the game is on the line against Rutgers like last year.

 

[snowycuse]

The SU fan base sucks. If they supported the team it would not be necessary to play in the Metlife Stadium.

If who supported the team? Many in CNY support Syracuse athletics like a pro team without having any direct connection other than living near the school. Us non-alumni dump quite a bit of money and outside of having a D1 program to root on their is not much of a return. Did not see the school springing for busses for local season ticket holders.

Attendance being around 39K with 4500 known USC fans place it below Dome standards. I would counter that it is the alumni in Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Albany, etc that move away from Cuse that are not doing their part in filling the dome. The core CNY/Alumni base is good for nearly 40K a game. I do not feel a game should be moved to NYC to make up that missing 9K but that those alumni should get up to the Dome. We are doing our part here in CNY watching Stony Brook, Colgate. They sit on their but in NYC and still get USC, Notre Dame, and Penn State.

 

[rrlbees]

Can someone show any scrap of proof that SU received $5M for this game?

No they can't but people like kcsu keep saying it because Axe said it or something. It was a myth proliferated by a few on this board.

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[rrlbees]

It was a great move by Syracuse. We had no idea that we would have tcu crap out on us and be down to 5 games when this was set up. The exposure is much greater in NYC than it would have been in Syracuse. It is much better for recruiting not even worth comparing. Add in 5m and this is a very good move.

Keep drinking the kool aid.


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[rrlbees]

The SU fan base sucks. If they supported the team it would not be necessary to play in the Metlife Stadium.

Maybe SU could support the fanbase?

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[rrlbees]

I am all for playing one "home" game per year in the swamps. It helps us with the New York City's college team thing, which I think is important. Second, it makes it more attractive for teams like USC to play a home and "home." Finally, it can't hurt recruiting in NJ.

We don't claim to be New York City's college team. The marketing is as New York State's college team. So you propose we start playing games in Buffalo, Rochester, Albany and Plattsburgh?

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[GoSU96]

We don't claim to be New York City's college team. The marketing is as New York State's college team. So you propose we start playing games in Buffalo, Rochester, Albany and Plattsburgh?

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Yeah, because there's no difference.

 

[Chip]

IF we draw 40K can we play it at CitiField?

Otherwise I am with Scooch, get ND and PSU, and we cut the deal when we were in a bad conference. We're now going to a good conference where the OOC thing isn't going to matter that much. It looked like a lacrosse crowd on TV.

And I think Gross even said as much in a post ACC interview.

Short of a future 1-1-1 arrangement, I think it's done after ND. Attractive league will help us get better and help Dome attendance.

 

[kingottoiii]

I still think it is in the program's best interests to play every home game at Metlife. The added travel would suck for the team. The loss of a significant home field advantage would suck. However in terms of $, exposure, and recruiting it would be significantly better.

To be a successful program you need $. There is a lot more money to be made playing at Metlife. The game day revenue would be greater. And more importantly the FB donations would likely go up by quite a bit being that alumni will be more involved with the program.

Exposure playing there is self explanatory. Recruiting in NJ, Eastern PA, and NYC/LI would be a lot easier. If you are a kid in NJ would you rather play at Metlife against the ACC or in Piscataway against CUSA? You can "stay home" to play FB by going to school 3.5 hours away. Not to mention the increased $ will allow us to buy nicer things for recruits as well.

In terms of fanbase I think we could easily average as much at MetLife as we can at the Dome. If we are a Top 15 type of team we would average 48k in the Dome but could get even more than that at MetLife. Huge bandwagon factor in NJ. While we are mediocre, I certainly think we could average 40k playing 6 home games a year with the move to the ACC. I think we could get 20-25k SU fans every game. It is only 6 games a year and tailgating makes up for just being mediocre. I think we could easily steal 10k fans from Rutgers. A lot of people who get season tickets for Rutgers don't really care about Rutgers. They go to tailgate and watch FB. Well if your choices are season tickets for RU in Piscataway or for SU in MetLife where do you think they go? Especially since we play real teams every week. Then you have the road teams who will all bring a lot more people than they currently do. NYC area vs CNY area is a huge difference.

Having less of the crowd actually care about SU will suck. It takes away from the home field advantage. But all the other positives certainly outweigh the negatives. Plus we can then replace the Doem with academic buildings and add an awesome BBall arena on South. It really is in the school's bets interest to play all of our games at MetLife.

 

[chakka3421]

KingOtto - yeah sure they make money so im ok with playing there but they gotta plow it back into football facilities - that's the question we need to ask the doctor! We need to follow the money - and it better not go to bball - or what's the point in playing there?

 

[310Pigpen]

I still think it is in the program's best interests to play every home game at Metlife. The added travel would suck for the team. The loss of a significant home field advantage would suck. However in terms of $, exposure, and recruiting it would be significantly better.

To be a successful program you need $. There is a lot more money to be made playing at Metlife. The game day revenue would be greater. And more importantly the FB donations would likely go up by quite a bit being that alumni will be more involved with the program.

Exposure playing there is self explanatory. Recruiting in NJ, Eastern PA, and NYC/LI would be a lot easier. If you are a kid in NJ would you rather play at Metlife against the ACC or in Piscataway against CUSA? You can "stay home" to play FB by going to school 3.5 hours away. Not to mention the increased $ will allow us to buy nicer things for recruits as well.

In terms of fanbase I think we could easily average as much at MetLife as we can at the Dome. If we are a Top 15 type of team we would average 48k in the Dome but could get even more than that at MetLife. Huge bandwagon factor in NJ. While we are mediocre, I certainly think we could average 40k playing 6 home games a year with the move to the ACC. I think we could get 20-25k SU fans every game. It is only 6 games a year and tailgating makes up for just being mediocre. I think we could easily steal 10k fans from Rutgers. A lot of people who get season tickets for Rutgers don't really care about Rutgers. They go to tailgate and watch FB. Well if your choices are season tickets for RU in Piscataway or for SU in MetLife where do you think they go? Especially since we play real teams every week. Then you have the road teams who will all bring a lot more people than they currently do. NYC area vs CNY area is a huge difference.

Having less of the crowd actually care about SU will suck. It takes away from the home field advantage. But all the other positives certainly outweigh the negatives. Plus we can then replace the Doem with academic buildings and add an awesome BBall arena on South. It really is in the school's bets interest to play all of our games at MetLife.

It's SYRACUSE University not NYC.

 

[SUMBA]

We don't claim to be New York City's college team. The marketing is as New York State's college team. So you propose we start playing games in Buffalo, Rochester, Albany and Plattsburgh?

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Huh? What? There is life outside NYC? C'mon...you gotta be pullin' my leg right? I see billboards and cab ads around the city all the time. Don't kid yourself, a big part of the marketing is to claim NYC as ours.

No, I am not proposing games in those outer buroughs. The chances of teams like USC coming to Syracuse are between thin and none. The NYC area is an easy destination and an easier sell. I fail to see what logic got you from my post to playing games in Albany...

Thanks for playing though

 

[kingottoiii]

It's SYRACUSE University not NYC.

It is not the City Of Syracuse University, it is a private university that should do what is in their best interests. How does it benefit the program to not make the change?

 

[rrlbees]

It's SYRACUSE University not NJ.

FIXED.

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[310Pigpen]

It is not the City Of Syracuse University, it is a private university that should do what is in their best interests. How does it benefit the program to not make the change?

Because if they played every home game outside of Syracuse then I would not support the football team as much as i do now.

 

[kingottoiii]

Because if they played every home game outside of Syracuse then I would not support the football team as much as i do now.

Sorry but this isn't about you. It is about the greater good. What is the best thing for SU FB? That is what SU should do not what is best for you. How selfish.

 

[310Pigpen]

Sorry but this isn't about you. It is about the greater good. What is the best thing for SU FB? That is what SU should do not what is best for you. How selfish.

Yeah let's leave the CNY fanbase, good move.

 

[kingottoiii]

Yeah let's leave the CNY fanbase, good move.

See my original post as to why it is a good move. The can and will be replaced. We are talking about replacing 30k people. Not very hard to do.

 

[TexanMark]

KingOtto...you would suck the life outta the team playing 12 games a year on the road along with killing your core fan base.

 

[kingottoiii]

KingOtto...you would suck the life outta the team playing 12 games a year on the road along with killing your core fan base.

Playing a "home" game 3.5 hours away would be difficult on the team but IMO we would get better talent by doing so. Which makes up for that difficulty. I rather have better tired players than fresher mediocre ones. The core fan base is tiny and can be replaced by a new core with deeper pockets. Win win.