The Meadowlands Game - Success or Failure?

[TexanMark]

Nah... set up a satellite campus near/in NYC. The players would only need to go to Syracuse for summer camp and commencement.

Don't given them any ideas. I can see it now

Syracuse-Hoboken has kind of a nice ring to it.

 

[xc84]

Playing one game every few years in the at MetLife not a big deal and frankly I'm cool with that and I think it is good for the university. But taking games away from your students, your local community, and the fans that have endured hell for the last ten years is crazy. Playing in a half empty stadium that is pro USC, and getting blasted by the announcers is not good for anyone. That game should have been played in the dome. Screw nys team. We are Syracuse and we are Syracuses college team.

A little schitzo on this one I think

I was at the game and yes, the crowd was small. Should that be a surprise? It's not like this game was put into Metlife because Gross thought there was a huge demand that would pack the stadium. It was about starting to generate interest. I think, given the circumstances, it went ok.. I think the people who went (like me) had a good time. Tailgating was fun. SU put a competitive product on the field and I could see that some word of mouth may create some buzz for future years.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Don't given them any ideas. I can see it now

Syracuse-Hoboken has kind of a nice ring to it.

Syracuse-Hoboken > Rutgers-Piscataway.

 

[OrangeChris]

Realky? According to a chart All4SU posted the other day, there are 70K alumni in NY, 13K in NJ and 6K in CT. For what you're saying to be true then a good 35K of those NY state alums would need to be metro area, and that's assuming all 19K NJ/CT alums are metro area.

Seems unlikely that there are only 35K alums in Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, etc.

I think I'm actually wrong and you're right, but just barely. Here's my math/explanation/assumptions...

S.U. has claimed in numerous sources/stories to have 45,000 alumni in the NYC "metro" region. I'm assuming they're defining the metro region by the Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) and not the Combined Statistical Area (CSA). The former would include 12 counties in New Jersey, but no part of Connecticut. If it's the latter though, it would skew the numbers quite a bit so take everything else with a grain of salt.

Next, I'm utilizing the 2010 alumni numbers found here. That gives us # of alumni in all of NY state as 75,136 and in New Jersey as 13,226. Note that not all of New Jersey is considered part of the NYC metro area, but only 12 counties. Based on 2009 census numbers, 6,502,267 of NJ's 8,821,155 population lives in those counties, or roughly 73%. If we assume an equal distribution to our alumni number (not necessarily a safe assumption, as it's very possible northern NJ residents are far more likely to attend Syracuse than their Southern counterparts), than that gives us 9,663 NYC metro area alums living in NJ.

Subtract that number from our original total of 45,000, and we're left with 35,337 residents living in the New York State portion of the NYC metro area. Subtract that number from our original NY total and we get 39,799 S.U. alums living in Upstate NY (e.g. Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, Watertown, et al).

EDIT: We're actually both sort of right, since my original statement was that the # of alumni in NYC metro area is > # of alums in Upstate NY (which is true), but the Upstate NY alums are still > the # of NYC alums in the NY State region of that area... and I just read that sentence back and went cross-eyed. Ugh. Let's just say there are a bunch of alums in both places. LOL.

 

[xc84]

I think I'm actually wrong and you're right, but just barely. Here's my math/explanation/assumptions...

S.U. has claimed in numerous sources/stories to have 45,000 alumni in the NYC "metro" region. I'm assuming they're defining the metro region by the Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) and not the Combined Statistical Area (CSA). The former would include 12 counties in New Jersey, but no part of Connecticut. If it's the latter though, it would skew the numbers quite a bit so take everything else with a grain of salt.

Next, I'm utilizing the 2010 alumni numbers found here. That gives us # of alumni in all of NY state as 75,136 and in New Jersey as 13,226. Note that not all of New Jersey is considered part of the NYC metro area, but only 12 counties. Based on 2009 census numbers, 6,502,267 of NJ's 8,821,155 population lives in those counties, or roughly 73%. If we assume an equal distribution to our alumni number (not necessarily a safe assumption, as it's very possible northern NJ residents are far more likely to attend Syracuse than their Southern counterparts), than that gives us 9,663 NYC metro area alums living in NJ.

Subtract that number from our original total of 45,000, and we're left with 35,337 residents living in the New York State portion of the NYC metro area. Subtract that number from our original NY total and we get 39,799 S.U. alums living in Upstate NY (e.g. Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, Watertown, et al).

what's your point?

 

[xc84]

As I said in my original post,"interesting factoid..." Not everything on this board is part of some sinister agenda to get into stupid arguments with total strangers.

No problem...I didn't think it was "sinister"...just didn't know where you were going with it. Thanks.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Realky? According to a chart All4SU posted the other day, there are 70K alumni in NY, 13K in NJ and 6K in CT. For what you're saying to be true then a good 35K of those NY state alums would need to be metro area, and that's assuming all 19K NJ/CT alums are metro area.

Seems unlikely that there are only 35K alums in Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, etc.

78k in New York State, 40k of which are NYC/LI/Westchester/Rockland

 

[Crusty]

Realky? According to a chart All4SU posted the other day, there are 70K alumni in NY, 13K in NJ and 6K in CT. For what you're saying to be true then a good 35K of those NY state alums would need to be metro area, and that's assuming all 19K NJ/CT alums are metro area.

Seems unlikely that there are only 35K alums in Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, etc.

Scooch, where did you get those figures - I have been trying to find them for quite some time.

 

[Scooch]

Scooch, where did you get those figures - I have been trying to find them for quite some time.

All4U posted a link the other day to a PDF on the syr.edu site that had them. Shoot, I forget which thread it was in now, I'm sure it's long since buried.

 

[jimcuse]

Now that it's over, how does everyone feel about this game? With the amount of controversy that led up to this game, I'm curious to see if you all think moving this game was a success or not.

I was a proponent of having this game in the Meadowlands. But now that its over, I'm not so sure the benefit was worth giving up the game. It was clear that the Meadowlands were only 1/2 full and that the crowd was split 50/50 at that.

The press that we'd received going into the game was due to us playing USC...and not because we were playing in the Meadowlands. I feel we would've had the same press whether it was at the dome or in Jersey...

SU wants to be a major player in football again. Playing in NYC against national names will help rebrand SU as the major team in NY and the east. Now that we will be playing Florida State, Clemson every year and Vt, Maimi in other years and big name teams in the Big Apple the kids in the NE and Jersey will be flocking to SU over Rutgers, Uconn, Penn State. Why would they want to play in the BE or Penn State for now. SU will make a major leap over these program over the next 3 to 5 years.

 

[OrangeChris]

All4U posted a link the other day to a PDF on the syr.edu site that had them. Shoot, I forget which thread it was in now, I'm sure it's long since buried.

Ummm... was it by any chance the exact same link I posted? If so, OrangeCrush22 originally posted that in a thread about 6 months ago, and it appears that's where All4SU got it as well. Fun map!