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The offense to me still looks like a Shafer team

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trying to run a hurry up offense. It doesn't look crisp, cohesive or fluid. That is to be expected but a few of the scoring drives have looked good but again, don't know if we have the quick strike athletes or the O Line to really carry this thing through right now... One game at a time, hopefully we continue to see improvement which I think we will to take some of the pressure off the D
 
trying to run a hurry up offense. It doesn't look crisp, cohesive or fluid. That is to be expected but a few of the scoring drives have looked good but again, don't know if we have the quick strike athletes or the O Line to really carry this thing through right now... One game at a time, hopefully we continue to see improvement which I think we will to take some of the pressure off the D

Agreed. This team was not recruited to play this offense and I would say there is no way we could have recruited the athletes needed under the old regimes anyway. We needed a name like Babers, who has credibility based on his record.

We are already seeing more success with skill players than we have had in a decade. WRs actually want to play in this offense - imagine that!

I am afraid that the roster needs more renovation than the dome.
 
yes, I am 1 week away from totally writing the season off, I am afraid next year might be the year I was hoping for this year.. 6 wins. There are 3 more losses baked in, don't see us beating Pitt, so there are 5 and a loss this weekend makes it basically a write off. Sad but true. I honestly don't see us winning all of the rest either. 3-4 wins tops I am thinking. USF Game is big for this year not big long term but like many of said, it gets old. Now it's not even next year, it's 2018. Shite gets old.

I love the Babers hire just hoped we might have more parts and pieces but it's pretty evident, he wasn't joking when he said a season and a half.
 
I have felt that way all along. I will judge the season by offense metrics. Hopefully, we will have stretches of excitement that bolsters our spirits, but that is the most I am hoping for. If we do better great.
 
yes, I am 1 week away from totally writing the season off, I am afraid next year might be the year I was hoping for this year.. 6 wins. There are 3 more losses baked in, don't see us beating Pitt, so there are 5 and a loss this weekend makes it basically a write off. Sad but true. I honestly don't see us winning all of the rest either. 3-4 wins tops I am thinking. USF Game is big for this year not big long term but like many of said, it gets old. Now it's not even next year, it's 2018. Shite gets old.

I love the Babers hire just hoped we might have more parts and pieces but it's pretty evident, he wasn't joking when he said a season and a half.

And all of this is OK.
 
yes, I am 1 week away from totally writing the season off, I am afraid next year might be the year I was hoping for this year.. 6 wins. There are 3 more losses baked in, don't see us beating Pitt, so there are 5 and a loss this weekend makes it basically a write off. Sad but true. I honestly don't see us winning all of the rest either. 3-4 wins tops I am thinking. USF Game is big for this year not big long term but like many of said, it gets old. Now it's not even next year, it's 2018. Shite gets old.

I love the Babers hire just hoped we might have more parts and pieces but it's pretty evident, he wasn't joking when he said a season and a half.


There is a lot of truth in the post.

Babers has Dungey running the option at times, and throwing post and streak patterns- similar to what Lester did.

And, once again, like last year, our defense is a problem.

I am disappointed that our talent level is not better - I thought we had improved it.
 
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Really? Did we not look fine on both sides of the ball vs Colgate? UConn, Wake, BC, and even NC State are closer to Colgate than they are Louisville. We will be fine vs those teams and really should beat all of them. Pitt will go 7-5 this year maybe 8-4.
 
trying to run a hurry up offense. It doesn't look crisp, cohesive or fluid. That is to be expected but a few of the scoring drives have looked good but again, don't know if we have the quick strike athletes or the O Line to really carry this thing through right now... One game at a time, hopefully we continue to see improvement which I think we will to take some of the pressure off the D

Everyone has an opinion and that's ok but this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen from you in a long time.
 
Everyone has an opinion and that's ok but this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen from you in a long time.
Actually look in the mirror....he's spot on with he comments in this thread. I appreciate the EIU fan coming over to give solace and hope but barrell has nailed the reality of this year and beyond. Much as Babers has said himself, just that all of us hoped otherwise being seduced by the great potential for the O.

This D will be historically bad all season with this Tampa 2 and with the natural attrition that has already started it's gonna b a slugfest against the NCsts, VTech, Uconns, BC's, Wakes, meaning we can hope to take 2 or 3 of those and have zero chance against the others. I know patience is needed of course but I for one am somewhat tapped out too (yeah already, cuz I see the handwriting on the wall with this D at this level so undersized and so overmatched).

And I'm not sure he'll see this thing through with the cruddy fan support compounding everything else. And I didn't like when he used the phrase in the pre USF presser in response to a question about patterns saying "if I stay long enough" this on top of his Freudian slip at his initial presser..."Syracuse is NOT, er, IS a destination school".

Gonna be tough to turn this thing around. May not be possible. If it doesn't happen in the near future for my own sanity I'm going to have to come to grips with the new (in my head at least as its been apparent for a while even if I've chosen not to see it), the reality new or not that we are and will be in the category with Wake, BC, old Duke, Rutgers, etc. It's two games in the season and I'm already depressed. :bang::confused:
 
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Actually look in the mirror...he's spot on. I appreciate the EIU fan coming over to give solace but barrell has nailed the reality of this year. Much as Babers has said himself, just that all of us hoped otherwise being seduced by the great potential for the O.

This D will be historically bad all season with this Tampa 2 and with the natural attrition that has already started it's gonna b a slugfest against the NCsts, VTech, Uconns, BC's, Wakes, meaning we can hope to take 2 or 3 of those and have zero chance against the others. I know patient is needed of course but I for one am somewhat tapped out too (yeah already cuz I see the handwriting on the wall with this D at this level so undersized so overmatched).

And I'm not sure he'll see this thing through with the cruddy fan support compounding everything else. And I didn't like when he used the phrase in the pre USF presser "if I stay long enough" on tape of his Freudian slip at his initial presser..."Syracuse is NOT, er, IS a destination school".

Gonna be tough to turn this thing around. May not be possible. If it doesn't happen in the near future for my own sanity I'm going to have to come to grips with the new (in my head at least as its been apparent for a while), the reality that we are in the category with Wake, BC, old Duke, Rutgers, etc. It's two games in the season and I'm already depressed. :bang::confused:

I'm curious what the attendance looked like at Baylor before they turned that around. Also with the dome Reno I feel like there is plenty to look forward to.

I heard that "if I stay long enough"comment too, but I took it as a jokingly attempt to say give me some time before you call for my head.
 
Actually look in the mirror...he's spot on. I appreciate the EIU fan coming over to give solace but barrell has nailed the reality of this year. Much as Babers has said himself, just that all of us hoped otherwise being seduced by the great potential for the O.

This D will be historically bad all season with this Tampa 2 and with the natural attrition that has already started it's gonna b a slugfest against the NCsts, VTech, Uconns, BC's, Wakes, meaning we can hope to take 2 or 3 of those and have zero chance against the others. I know patient is needed of course but I for one am somewhat tapped out too (yeah already cuz I see the handwriting on the wall with this D at this level so undersized so overmatched).

And I'm not sure he'll see this thing through with the cruddy fan support compounding everything else. And I didn't like when he used the phrase in the pre USF presser "if I stay long enough" on tape of his Freudian slip at his initial presser..."Syracuse is NOT, er, IS a destination school".

Gonna be tough to turn this thing around. May not be possible. If it doesn't happen in the near future for my own sanity I'm going to have to come to grips with the new (in my head at least as its been apparent for a while), the reality that we are in the category with Wake, BC, old Duke, Rutgers, etc. It's two games in the season and I'm already depressed. :bang::confused:

As bad as our D is:

None of UConn, Wake, BC will be able to score over 30 points against us. They are that bad. And none of those teams will hold us under 30.

None of VA Tech, NC State, Pitt will be able to score 40 points on us and none will hold us under 30.

USF we have to hope we can put up over 40 and they score under 50 to have a chance.

I have a really hard time finding more than 3 losses from that group. Remember we beat Wake last year with this poor D. We beat BC without Dungey and ET. We lost to Pitt on a last second FG. Outside of USF none of the above teams are Top 50 teams. There is no excuse for going worse than 3-3 against that group.
 
I'm curious what the attendance looked like at Baylor before they turned that around. Also with the dome Reno I feel like there is plenty to look forward to.

I heard that "if I stay long enough"comment too, but I took it as a jokingly attempt to say give me some time before you call for my head.
2008 home attendance for Baylor
vs. Wake Forest (#23) 30,633
vs. Northwestern St 36,258
vs. Washington St 25,595
vs. Oklahoma (#1) 37,145
vs. Iowa St 30,528
vs. Missouri (#14) 35,142
vs. Texas A&M 43, 549
Avg 34,121

2015 Avg Attendance was 46,160
 
Actually look in the mirror...he's spot on. I appreciate the EIU fan coming over to give solace but barrell has nailed the reality of this year. Much as Babers has said himself, just that all of us hoped otherwise being seduced by the great potential for the O.

This D will be historically bad all season with this Tampa 2 and with the natural attrition that has already started it's gonna b a slugfest against the NCsts, VTech, Uconns, BC's, Wakes, meaning we can hope to take 2 or 3 of those and have zero chance against the others. I know patience is needed of course but I for one am somewhat tapped out too (yeah already, cuz I see the handwriting on the wall with this D at this level so undersized so overmatched).

And I'm not sure he'll see this thing through with the cruddy fan support compounding everything else. And I didn't like when he used the phrase in the pre USF presser in response to a question about patterns saying "if I stay long enough" this on top of his Freudian slip at his initial presser..."Syracuse is NOT, er, IS a destination school".

Gonna be tough to turn this thing around. May not be possible. If it doesn't happen in the near future for my own sanity I'm going to have to come to grips with the new (in my head at least as its been apparent for a while even if I've chosen not to see it), the reality new or not that we are and will be in the category with Wake, BC, old Duke, Rutgers, etc. It's two games in the season and I'm already depressed. :bang::confused:

IB described the offense while you go into a diatribe about the defense. Your points are fine about the D but have nothing to do with the OP.
 
3-3 against that group gets us 4 wins for the season. I think it might be 3 wins.
 
Agree with IB on his post, the offense looks great at times and completely out of sync at others. Too many designed runs for Dungey which tells me that we have issues running the ball and the offensive line is not where it needs to be. It will get better but there is a long long way to go.
 
2008 home attendance for Baylor
vs. Wake Forest (#23) 30,633
vs. Northwestern St 36,258
vs. Washington St 25,595
vs. Oklahoma (#1) 37,145
vs. Iowa St 30,528
vs. Missouri (#14) 35,142
vs. Texas A&M 43, 549
Avg 34,121

2015 Avg Attendance was 46,160

Looks familiar, along with the our goal which is their 2015. Those are probably tickets sold numbers too.

Thanks for looking that up!
 
IB described the offense while you go into a diatribe about the defense. Your points are fine about the D but have nothing to do with the OP.
Yeah I was responding to the totality of his posts in this thread and chose to vent here in general for some reason I'm still trying to figure out. I initially thought the same after reading only the thread title but in reality he's still right, they're still and were obviously working out the kinks on O schematically and logistically and played even slower than we did vs. Colgate (with a little help in there from the fakers of course).
 
2008 home attendance for Baylor
vs. Wake Forest (#23) 30,633
vs. Northwestern St 36,258
vs. Washington St 25,595
vs. Oklahoma (#1) 37,145
vs. Iowa St 30,528
vs. Missouri (#14) 35,142
vs. Texas A&M 43, 549
Avg 34,121

2015 Avg Attendance was 46,160
nice research.

The Oklahoma and A&M games were inflated due to OU and A&M fans following their teams.

Should also be noted that the success of Baylor under Briles ultimately led to the construction of a brand new stadium that opened in 2014.
 
None of UConn, Wake, BC will be able to score over 30 points against us. They are that bad. And none of those teams will hold us under 30.

So you're essentially guaranteeing that we will win these three road games?

Wake is 2-0 and won on the road at Duke. BC and UConn are each an eyelash from being 2-0.

We beat Colgate, and gave up 8 million yards against Louisville. Don't get me wrong, I think being confident is great, but you may be a bit overconfident speaking in absolute language of what will happen.
 
The Oklahoma and A&M games were inflated due to OU and A&M fans following their teams.

If that's the case, then take 20k off the total attendance at our 2008 game vs Penn State in the Dome.
 
So you're essentially guaranteeing that we will win these three road games?

Wake is 2-0 and won on the road at Duke. BC and UConn are each an eyelash from being 2-0.

We beat Colgate, and gave up 8 million yards against Louisville. Don't get me wrong, I think being confident is great, but you may be a bit overconfident speaking in absolute language of what will happen.
We're screwed
 
Actually look in the mirror...he's spot on with he comments in this thread. I appreciate the EIU fan coming over to give solace and hope but barrell has nailed the reality of this year and beyond. Much as Babers has said himself, just that all of us hoped otherwise being seduced by the great potential for the O.

This D will be historically bad all season with this Tampa 2 and with the natural attrition that has already started it's gonna b a slugfest against the NCsts, VTech, Uconns, BC's, Wakes, meaning we can hope to take 2 or 3 of those and have zero chance against the others. I know patience is needed of course but I for one am somewhat tapped out too (yeah already, cuz I see the handwriting on the wall with this D at this level so undersized and so overmatched).

And I'm not sure he'll see this thing through with the cruddy fan support compounding everything else. And I didn't like when he used the phrase in the pre USF presser in response to a question about patterns saying "if I stay long enough" this on top of his Freudian slip at his initial presser..."Syracuse is NOT, er, IS a destination school".

Gonna be tough to turn this thing around. May not be possible. If it doesn't happen in the near future for my own sanity I'm going to have to come to grips with the new (in my head at least as its been apparent for a while even if I've chosen not to see it), the reality new or not that we are and will be in the category with Wake, BC, old Duke, Rutgers, etc. It's two games in the season and I'm already depressed. :bang::confused:

After this weekend, I have so many concerns (both O & D), but I also still hold a lot of optimism. Mostly about the future, but even short term, I think we can prove Louisville was just a BAD day at the office against a GREAT team.

It's very conflicting. I can see it going either way (like Millhouse), but if we lose to USF, don't expect any pity from UConn, they're going to smell blood. Can they do anything about it? Who knows, but they easily could have beat Navy in Annapolis, and we're going to see the best effort they give all season.

Win this weekend, and bring on all the rest of you Mother ***ers this season! (except ND, Clemson, FSU).
 
If that's the case, then take 20k off the total attendance at our 2008 game vs Penn State in the Dome.
ok?

If the idea was to get a feel for what attendance of Baylor fans looked like at Baylor before the rebuild, then putting the number in context is germane to the discussion. Every game will have some amount of opposing team fans, and that is baked into the number, but there are some circumstances where the opposing fans are a bigger slice of the attendance pie. That's true at Baylor for certain games (UT, OU, A&M) and would be true at Syracuse as well, as you noted.
 
There is a lot of truth in the post.

Babers has Dungey running the option at times, and throwing post and streak patterns- similar to what Lester did.

And, once again, like last year, our defense is a problem.

I am disappointed that our talent level is not better - I thought we had improved it.
if you categorize things in a lumpy enough way, you can say that every offense is the same
 

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