The real problem with Florida State at #4

[HOFCeluck]

How do we know they are the better conference this season?

because I have eyes and can watch games?

 

[TheCusian]

because I have eyes and can watch games?

Exactly.

 

[TheCusian]

because I have eyes and can watch games?

It's not because of head to head match ups and out of conference wins. Using just this years OOC games vs. other p5 schools - maybe the toughest opponent for an SEC school was FSU (vs. Florida). Or if you prefer LSU vs Wisconsin.

Alabama's OOC is a joke.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Exactly.

I guess this is supposed to be some sort of "gotcha" but I don't get it.

 

[HOFCeluck]

It's not because of head to head match ups and out of conference wins. Using just this years OOC games vs. other p5 schools - maybe the toughest opponent for an SEC school was FSU (vs. Florida). Or if you prefer LSU vs Wisconsin.

Alabama's OOC is a joke.

Kansas State is pretty good...though I don't think that has much bearing in whether you think Alabama would beat FSU, which I do.

 

[texascpa]

How you play matters...of the 4 teams currently in the playoff I don't have a prob with fsu being 4. They've looked the shakiest. Although none of this probably matters because none of the 3 are beating bama

TCU will dominate Bama.

 

[skurey]

Honestly as long as hey finish top 4 it really doesn't matter except for he color of their jersey.

Agree

However, putting Florida State at 4 sends he chilling effect that margin of victory and game control matter more than just winning games.

If you're trying to prove you're one of the best teams in the country then yes those two things matter a whole hell of a lot.

You play to win the game not dominate the game.

Lol.

the committee may not like the ACC like the SEC or PAC-12 but FSU has played 11 of 12 games against P5 competition and yet because all they do is win they dinged.

They are dinged because they look like crap

If Syracuse magically went undefeated they would barely be top 4 if all they did was win and not dominate.

Agree. And that would be the right move.

I get FSU hasn't looked great and could have lost 5 games but Bama barely beat LSU/Arkansas/Miss state and trailed Auburn a great deal and they don't get scrutinized like FSU.

Those teams are so much better than the teams FSU has barely beaten.

 

[kirbivore]

The rules for judging Alabama are different. It's garbage.

I agree. They lose home games and still get to play for the title (2012)

 

[SmilinBob]

Oregon lost at home. They beat Sparty, @UCLA(who lost 3 home games), @Utah(after the dumb TD would have put them down 0-14), and Pac-12 North which stunk this year.

Eyeball test all you want but they lost a home game at night and barely beat Washington State on the road.

If things are equal you should apply subjective criteria like the eye test, but Florida State plated 3 P5 teams in the non-conference, and won all 12 games.

This committee is using a complete different standard. How the did Wichita State get a 1 seed in the basketball tournament if they beat a bunch of tomato cans. Florida State beat #19 without their QB, won @ #21 by 11 points. However, beating Florida and Miami close in rivalry games and barely beating a bowl team BC which beat USC which beat Arizona which beat Oregon isn't factored in.

Florida State is getting screwed by a couple of committee members who probably don't even have them in their top 4. I am looking at you Mike Tranghese, Oliver Luck etc. Who have agendas against the ACC for the Big East crap.

Probably why Archie Manning left the committee for "medical" reasons. He knows the people that run this have an agenda and got sick of he political crap. I'm curious if anyone is lobbying the committee in any way. It's like watching voting in Chicago.

 

[RF2044]

Probably why Archie Manning left the committee for "medical" reasons. He knows the people that run this have an agenda and got sick of he political crap. I'm curious if anyone is lobbying the committee in any way. It's like watching voting in Chicago.

I get a kick out of how having this multi-team playoff was supposed to take the subjectivity out of determining the national champion.

If anything, its made the polling process more political, subjective, and important than ever. We're going to have some awfully ticked off #5 and #6 teams.

 

[SmilinBob]

I get a kick out of how having this multi-team playoff was supposed to take the subjectivity out of determining the national champion.

If anything, its made the polling process more political, subjective, and important than ever. We're going to have some awfully ticked off #5 and #6 teams.

The answer we know is simple but since we have to have only 4 you are absolutely right. It's just plain wrong to have a conference winner not be invited that has only 1 loss. Perception/computers/agenda/SOS or whatever...I don't care, they earned a shot and let them show it on the field.

Baylor still has a tough game vs KState along with the obvious CCG's so we will probably have at least a couple lose that have 0 or 1 loss, I'll be surprised if all the favorites win.

 

[xc84]

I get a kick out of how having this multi-team playoff was supposed to take the subjectivity out of determining the national champion.

If anything, its made the polling process more political, subjective, and important than ever. We're going to have some awfully ticked off #5 and #6 teams.

It's certainly better than picking 2 teams but I don't think anyone thinks it eliminates controversy.

 

[bpo57]

I'm so glad the talking heads on ESPN finally called out the committee on their handling of FSU. Danny Kanell is completely correct when he says they use a different scale to judge FSU over everyone else.

Not sure Danny is the most objective source on the matter.

 

[bpo57]

But it does. Last year FSU destroyed everyone. And they are being held to that standard by the committee.

If they were a 10 win team last year who won the Orange Bowl or Chick Fil A bowl, they'd be #1 right now.

I also think there's some anti-Jameis bias.

Destroyed everyone? They trailed Auburn nearly 90% of the NC game and pulled it out in the last seconds.

 

[xc84]

Destroyed everyone? They trailed Auburn nearly 90% of the NC game and pulled it out in the last seconds.

True...but in those last seconds, they destroyed Auburn.

 

[Chip]

Destroyed everyone? They trailed Auburn nearly 90% of the NC game and pulled it out in the last seconds.

Ok, SEC Awareness Officer, we get it. Auburn last year, and Kentucky/Florida last week had cute moral victories. We're all rooting for them to turn that into something.

But in general, I think the committee views FSU's regular season close games as a bad thing, even though they haven't lost a game. Last year, no regular season games were close. Even against that up and coming Florida program.

 

[bpo57]

Ok, SEC Awareness Officer, we get it. Auburn last year, and Kentucky/Florida last week had cute moral victories. We're all rooting for them to turn that into something.

But in general, I think the committee views FSU's regular season close games as a bad thing, even though they haven't lost a game. Last year, no regular season games were close. Even against that up and coming Florida program.

Lighten up Chipper. You said they destroyed everyone when that wasn't the case in the most prominent game of the year. And I think last year has zero to do with this year. Yeah the committee should view those close games as a bad thing. They've played a fairly weak schedule with nearly all of their tougher games at home and they've barely won several of them. I give them credit for their resiliency but there is no way they've looked like they belong at the top of the heap. The eye test has to matter for something.

 

[bpo57]

Ok, SEC Awareness Officer, we get it. Auburn last year, and Kentucky/Florida last week had cute moral victories. We're all rooting for them to turn that into something.

But in general, I think the committee views FSU's regular season close games as a bad thing, even though they haven't lost a game. Last year, no regular season games were close. Even against that up and coming Florida program.

That up and coming Florida program used a QB that couldn't throw a football into the ocean from the shore and yet took FSU to the wire.

 

[bpo57]

True...but in those last seconds, they destroyed Auburn.

OK pal whatever you say.

 

[TheCusian]

Lighten up Chipper. You said they destroyed everyone when that wasn't the case in the most prominent game of the year. And I think last year has zero to do with this year. Yeah the committee should view those close games as a bad thing. They've played a fairly weak schedule with nearly all of their tougher games at home and they've barely won several of them. I give them credit for their resiliency but there is no way they've looked like they belong at the top of the heap. The eye test has to matter for something.

Cute. So now last year is irrelevant? And if you just roll with results on the field, removing SEC bias (who did you beat? Who did you play?) - then I'm not sure their schedule isn't as tough as Alabama. It's certainly tougher than Mississippi State and Ole Miss.

 

[bpo57]

Miss state played ole miss, bama, lsu, a&m, auburn and arkansas. Put that up against FSU's top six opponents and then tell me how that schedule was certainly tougher than MSU's.

 

[bpo57]

Cute. So now last year is irrelevant? And if you just roll with results on the field, removing SEC bias (who did you beat? Who did you play?) - then I'm not sure their schedule isn't as tough as Alabama. It's certainly tougher than Mississippi State and Ole Miss.

I said last year was irrelevant meaning FSU shouldn't be held to the standard of what last year's team accomplished. Not sure why that is cute or controversial.

 

[TheCusian]

I said last year was irrelevant meaning FSU shouldn't be held to the standard of what last year's team accomplished. Not sure why that is cute or controversial.

Then the SEC can't carry over any past glory to this season - which you shared repeatedly as a reason why they are so good.

 

[TheCusian]

Miss state played ole miss, bama, lsu, a&m, auburn and arkansas. Put that up against FSU's top six opponents and then tell me how that schedule was certainly tougher than MSU's.

They went 4-2 in those 6 games. And we don't really know the quality of those wins due to poor OOC.

FSU will have played: ND, Louisville, Clemson, GTech, Oklahoma State, BC
(Note that Clemson, GTech, Louisville all boast wins over the SEC and that BC beat USC)

They went 5-0, with one game remaining.

I'd say it's inconclusive.

 

[xc84]

Miss state played ole miss, bama, lsu, a&m, auburn and arkansas. Put that up against FSU's top six opponents and then tell me how that schedule was certainly tougher than MSU's.

When FSU runs the table, what will be your excuse then?