The real problem with Florida State at #4

[Chip]

Lighten up Chipper. You said they destroyed everyone when that wasn't the case in the most prominent game of the year. And I think last year has zero to do with this year. Yeah the committee should view those close games as a bad thing. They've played a fairly weak schedule with nearly all of their tougher games at home and they've barely won several of them. I give them credit for their resiliency but there is no way they've looked like they belong at the top of the heap. The eye test has to matter for something.

I'm always light. You just seem to be carrying quite the torch.

I was trying to compare this year to last year in terms of how the committee is viewing them. And it is my opinion that the committee views last year as them destroying essentially the same schedule in the regular season. I wasn't even thinking about the Auburn game, but I guess I should have been more clear. We all watched the Auburn game, and all thought Auburn was going to win. Maybe that was the foreshadowing for how this year went.

You can disagree.

I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if they lose this weekend. Teams, like Miami, threw the ball all over the field in the first half and built a lead on them. Then tried to sit on it because of a terrified conservative coach that thinks something will go wrong. GT's offense never changes. And Paul Johnson is anything but conservative.

Having said that, they're a P5 powerhouse who is undefeated. Dropping them to #4 behind TCU shows that the committee expects more from them. Why? Because of what they did in last year's regular season. It's tough to be the defending champ. You get everyone's best game. And I heard a stat today (never confirmed) that FSU played half of their games against a team that didn't have a game the week before.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm always light./QUOTE]
In the loafers

 

[bpo57]

Then the SEC can't carry over any past glory to this season - which you shared repeatedly as a reason why they are so good.

No that is the reason why many pundits, experts etc. give them the benefit of the doubt. Hence the whining from the SEC haters.

 

[bpo57]

They went 4-2 in those 6 games. And we don't really know the quality of those wins due to poor OOC.

FSU will have played: ND, Louisville, Clemson, GTech, Oklahoma State, BC
(Note that Clemson, GTech, Louisville all boast wins over the SEC and that BC beat USC)

They went 5-0, with one game remaining.

I'd say it's inconclusive.

We disagree. I'm not at all impressed by OkState (3 TD dogs this weekend to a disappointing Sooner team). BC is ok don't go overboard. ND came a cropper and their defense was exposed. Clemson had to play their #2 QB Stoudt against FSU and, to be kind, he s not very good (Georgia took care of them btw). Louisville is legit. GTECH will beat FSU.

 

[bpo57]

When FSU runs the table, what will be your excuse then?

LOL I am here for you if you want to wager on that. I've already put some $$$ down on GTECH. I think the NC hopes for Fraud State end this weekend.

 

[bpo57]

I'm always light. You just seem to be carrying quite the torch.

I was trying to compare this year to last year in terms of how the committee is viewing them. And it is my opinion that the committee views last year as them destroying essentially the same schedule in the regular season. I wasn't even thinking about the Auburn game, but I guess I should have been more clear. We all watched the Auburn game, and all thought Auburn was going to win. Maybe that was the foreshadowing for how this year went.

You can disagree.

I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if they lose this weekend. Teams, like Miami, threw the ball all over the field in the first half and built a lead on them. Then tried to sit on it because of a terrified conservative coach that thinks something will go wrong. GT's offense never changes. And Paul Johnson is anything but conservative.

Having said that, they're a P5 powerhouse who is undefeated. Dropping them to #4 behind TCU shows that the committee expects more from them. Why? Because of what they did in last year's regular season. It's tough to be the defending champ. You get everyone's best game. And I heard a stat today (never confirmed) that FSU played half of their games against a team that didn't have a game the week before.

Not sure what you mean when you say we all thought Auburn was going to win. FSU was an 8.5 point favorite.

Chip I am not carrying any torch for the SEC. I just am amused by the blatant homerism on this board and the incessant whining about the SEC. They can't understand how the pundits give the SEC so much respect. Tell me if the BE won the NCAA hoops championship seven years in a row- ya think the East Coast media machine might be in love with them?

I can't get inside the mind of the Committee as to why they moved FSU down. I don't think it has much to do with last year but who knows maybe you're right. It should have nothing to do with last year but I think you can't keep coming out there with really mediocre performances against so-so teams and expect to sit at the top of the heap. If you are consistently life and death with teams that aren't even in the top 15 then folks are gonna be unimpressed, regardless of what you did last year.

 

[Alsacs]

We disagree. I'm not at all impressed by OkState (3 TD dogs this weekend to a disappointing Sooner team). BC is ok don't go overboard. ND came a cropper and their defense was exposed. Clemson had to play their #2 QB Stoudt against FSU and, to be kind, he s not very good (Georgia took care of them btw). Louisville is legit. GTECH will beat FSU.

FSU played its #2 QB against Clemson. Clemson played Watson 3/4s of that game. Stoudt played 2 series.
FSU played a good schedule.

 

[bpo57]

FSU played its #2 QB against Clemson. Clemson played Watson 3/4s of that game. Stoudt played 2 series.
FSU played a good schedule.

True about Winston. I remember Stoudt starting- I thought he played more than that. I do remember FSU being crazy lucky to win that game. Nearly all of FSU's "tough" games were at home. Their schedule was ok but when you compare it to many of the other elite teams it comes up a bit short IMO.

 

[Chip]

Not sure what you mean when you say we all thought Auburn was going to win. FSU was an 8.5 point favorite.

I meant during the game. When Auburn went up 21-3, I really didn't think FSU was going to come back. I think a lot of people felt that way, because FSU hadn't faced anything near that adversity during the season. And when Auburn scored with 1 minute left, I thought they pulled it off.

As for the anti-SEC stuff, it's not just this board. It's basically everyone who isn't an SEC fan. It's primarily jealousy, but now that there have been a few chinks in the armor, especially if Alabama doesn't win it all, people are pouncing. Even some of the talking heads are souring on them a bit.

I still think the league (West in particular) is awesome. But given how great all these schools have recruited the last few years, it's not surprising that they're all beating each other now. East has a lot of catching up to do, and I think they will. Georgia will always be solid, UT will keep improving under Butch Jones (assuming Michigan doesn't pry him away) and Florida will rise again under McElwain.

 

[bpo57]

I meant during the game. When Auburn went up 21-3, I really didn't think FSU was going to come back. I think a lot of people felt that way, because FSU hadn't faced anything near that adversity during the season. And when Auburn scored with 1 minute left, I thought they pulled it off.

As for the anti-SEC stuff, it's not just this board. It's basically everyone who isn't an SEC fan. It's primarily jealousy, but now that there have been a few chinks in the armor, especially if Alabama doesn't win it all, people are pouncing. Even some of the talking heads are souring on them a bit.

I still think the league (West in particular) is awesome. But given how great all these schools have recruited the last few years, it's not surprising that they're all beating each other now. East has a lot of catching up to do, and I think they will. Georgia will always be solid, UT will keep improving under Butch Jones (assuming Michigan doesn't pry him away) and Florida will rise again under McElwain.

I hear ya. Can't disagree with anything you say. I am no big SEC fan despite my rising to their defense here. Saban is not a cuddly character to root for by any stretch but after getting a healthy dose of Jimbo and Jameis this year, well in the words of Harvey Updyke-- Paul I know this is going to upset some people but ROLL DAMN TIDE.

 

[TheCusian]

No that is the reason why many pundits, experts etc. give them the benefit of the doubt. Hence the whining from the SEC haters.

I'm not even an SEC hater. But they shouldn't be getting the benefit of the doubt if they are gaming the system. If you look at their weak schedules - it's no accident - and they feel they can get away with it based on reputation. I'm simply saying: that's BS and the committee should treat them the opposite. Play tougher games and win - and leave no doubt. The ACC should rewarded for 17 games vs p5 teams.

 

[CousCuse]

I hear ya. Can't disagree with anything you say. I am no big SEC fan despite my rising to their defense here. Saban is not a cuddly character to root for by any stretch but after getting a healthy dose of Jimbo and Jameis this year, well in the words of Harvey Updyke-- Paul I know this is going to upset some people but ROLL DAMN TIDE.

Is this the same Tide that abetted the elimination of the UAB football program . So noble. Power crazed and vindictive .

 

[Chip]

I hear ya. Can't disagree with anything you say. I am no big SEC fan despite my rising to their defense here. Saban is not a cuddly character to root for by any stretch but after getting a healthy dose of Jimbo and Jameis this year, well in the words of Harvey Updyke-- Paul I know this is going to upset some people but ROLL DAMN TIDE.

I just think if Bama and FSU meet up in New Orleans it's going to be quite a scene. The two schools everyone hates the most. Both fanbases can get there driving in no more than 5 1/2 hours, which might as well be 10 minutes.

Would love for a work conference to pop up in the Big Easy right around that time. But it's just not going to happen. I could run away from home I guess. I mean, they'd have to take me back.

 

[bpo57]

I'm not even an SEC hater. But they shouldn't be getting the benefit of the doubt if they are gaming the system. If you look at their weak schedules - it's no accident - and they feel they can get away with it based on reputation. I'm simply saying: that's BS and the committee should treat them the opposite. Play tougher games and win - and leave no doubt. The ACC should rewarded for 17 games vs p5 teams.

I think MSU got props because they had some very impressive wins in the middle of the season. It straightened itself out.

 

[bpo57]

Is this the same Tide that abetted the elimination of the UAB football program . So noble. Power crazed and vindictive .

I don't know the facts there. But I assume if Jameis robs a gas station tonight Jimbo might bench him for the first series on Saturday.

 

[SmilinBob]

The committee has FSU #4 so if they lose 1 game they are out of the playoffs. If they had them #1 they couldn't keep them out as easily.

 

[Eric15]

Resumes per Sagarin:

Alabama, SOS 4, 2-1 vs. Top 10, 8-1 vs. Top 30
Florida State, SOS 49, 0-0 vs. Top 10, 3-0 Top 30

 

[Alsacs]

Resumes per Sagarin:

Alabama, SOS 4, 2-1 vs. Top 10, 8-1 vs. Top 30
Florida State, SOS 49, 0-0 vs. Top 10, 3-0 Top 30

Sagarin has Arkansas number 12. Sorry but that poll loses all creditability as legit when a 6-6 team is deemed number 12.


Sagarin's poll has as much creditability as mine when the SEC teams get no blame when they lose. The ELO chess model is one man's opinion.

 

[Eric15]

Sagarin has Arkansas number 12. Sorry but that poll loses all creditability as legit when a 6-6 team is deemed number 12.


Sagarin's poll has as much creditability as mine when the SEC teams get no blame when they lose. The ELO chess model is one man's opinion.

For what it's worth, Arkansas has played an absolutely INSANE schedule. They played 8 ranked teams, they beat Ole Miss, LSU, lost to Bama by 1 point, and lost to A&M, Mississippi St., and Missouri by 7 points or less. They aren't just your run of the mill 6-6 team. They would be an 8-9 win team in any other conference.

 

[orange79]

For what it's worth, Arkansas has played an absolutely INSANE schedule. They played 8 ranked teams, they beat Ole Miss, LSU, lost to Bama by 1 point, and lost to A&M, Mississippi St., and Missouri by 7 points or less. They aren't just your run of the mill 6-6 team. They would be an 8-9 win team in any other conference.

Maybe not, but you are what your schedule says you are. 6-6 is 6-6. There are serious flaws in any ranking system when 6-6 is #12 in the country.

 

[Eric15]

Maybe not, but you are what your schedule says you are. 6-6 is 6-6. There are serious flaws in any ranking system when 6-6 is #12 in the country.

Marshall is 11-1. Should they be in consideration for the playoff since 11-1 is an excellent record?

 

[orange79]

Marshall is 11-1. Should they be in consideration for the playoff since 11-1 is an excellent record?

I have no idea what schedule Marshall played. Schedule plays a role, but 6-6 and #12? Schedule is playing way too much of a role there. You could play the NFC West, the AFC North, and the AFC West, and if you're 6-6, you should not be #12 in the country.

 

[TheCusian]

Marshall is 11-1. Should they be in consideration for the playoff since 11-1 is an excellent record?

Marshall would beat just about 90% of the SEC's OOC - in its entirety.

But I know this: no SEC school wants to see Marshall on their schedule. Or else they would actually schedule them. Or anyone really.

 

[Eric15]

I have no idea what schedule Marshall played. Schedule plays a role, but 6-6 and #12? Schedule is playing way too much of a role there. You could play the NFC West, the AFC North, and the AFC West, and if you're 6-6, you should not be #12 in the country.

If a team won one game against an NFL team, they would be the greatest team in NCAA history by a wide margin.

Paging 690West… how many teams would be favored against Arkansas on a neutral field?

 

[orange79]

If a team won one game against an NFL team, they would be the greatest team in NCAA history by a wide margin.

Paging 690West… how many teams would be favored against Arkansas on a neutral field?

I was just using that as hyperbole. I'm just saying that record has to play a role. To place a 6-6 team as the #12 team in the country is ludicrous, IMO.