The Three "Take" Fouls at the End....

[sufandu]

It looked to me like they took a few seconds off on the first one. The other two were way too quick. I don't know if it was coaching or less than ideal player execution. I assume it's something that isn't practiced too much because it's pretty rare a team has fouls to give like that.

 

[tptcuse]

It looked to me like they took a few seconds off on the first one. The other two were way too quick. I don't know if it was coaching or less than ideal player execution. I assume it's something that isn't practiced too much because it's pretty rare a team has fouls to give like that.

I'm sure they can look at their execution, but you're right. It doesn't happen very frequently. Plus, if you miss one or the ref doesn't call it right away, a guy can throw a quick pass to an open man and it could be game over.

 

[Dave]

It sure looked to me like players were instructed to foul right after the inbound pass instead of being told to wait a couple of seconds or wait and foul the second player to touch the ball.

It looked to me like young players were nervous in a challenging situation. Pass goes odd they lose the opportunity. Played out poorly, but it’s not as easy as it looks. Certainly not on the coach. Oh wait, sorry mob, everything that goes wrong is on the coach.

 

[newmexicuse]

It looked to me like young players were nervous in a challenging situation. Pass goes odd they lose the opportunity. Played out poorly, but it’s not as easy as it looks. Certainly not on the coach. Oh wait, sorry mob, everything that goes wrong is on the coach.

Mintz didnt look too nervous to me on his game winning shot.

 

[SDjohn]

Spot on. I knew Boheim was gonna, you could see him instructing players to do it in that TO and it was the right call. That being said I was ok with the first just past mid court, the other two, way to quick. I’m not sure if it was the players who panicked and fouled to soon or if that’s what coach wanted them to do. I’ll take the W of course, but I was screaming not to foul too soon on those last two.

 

[OrangeDW]

Spot on. I knew Boheim was gonna, you could see him instructing players to do it in that TO and it was the right call. That being said I was ok with the first just past mid court, the other two, way to quick. I’m not sure if it was the players who panicked and fouled to soon or if that’s what coach wanted them to do. I’ll take the W of course, but I was screaming not to foul too soon on those last two.

I think it’s one of those things that’s hard to do right unless you have experience doing it.

 

[Dave]

Mintz didnt look too nervous to me on his game winning shot.

Talking about the chop up the clock fouls.

 

[realorange]

I'm sure the big thing they emphasized was not to even get close to a shooting foul. And they are young and nervous. When you are that way, time stands still. I'd bet if you asked the players, they would tell you they thought more time had gone.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I've ways been a fan of using all but one of those and leaving the opposition thinking that last foul is imminent the whole time they are also setting up a shot

 

[Day2]

Had we waited long enough for someone to throw up a shot for a continuation call and game-winning free throws, I’m sure the OP would have blamed that on coaching as well. Two of the three fouls were committed by freshman. They’ll get better at this.

Here’s what I was wondering in that moment: Would it have made sense to leave the last foul on the table? Again, we’re talking about younger, inexperienced players. Maybe you don’t want to risk a reach in foul for a 1-and-1?

 

[jsshap]

Are you suggesting they instructed Mintz to fall down.

Well since 2 instances were cited and one just happened a few hours ago…do you honestly disagree that it was bad coaching under the circumstances to instruct the team to foul immediately without regard to where the player was on the court or how close they were to being able to shoot? That’s not debatable.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Let some time run down, THEN foul.

It’s endgame 101.

We keep failing a lot of hoops basics.
Which is a not great look for a team with a HOF coach.

Glad it didn’t bite us in the collective arse. This time.

You have to consider the disastrous consequences of one of your less experienced guys wigging out in the moment, trying to get too slick , and fouling while a guy is attempting a 3. Not unlikely

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Had we waited long enough for someone to throw up a shot for a continuation call and game-winning free throws, I’m sure the OP would have blamed that on coaching as well. Two of the three fouls were committed by freshman. They’ll get better at this.

Here’s what I was wondering in that moment: Would it have made sense to leave the last foul on the table? Again, we’re talking about younger, inexperienced players. Maybe you don’t want to risk a reach in foul for a 1-and-1?

I like the make them think you’re going to foul , they hold the ball , you just stand there , tick tick tick

 

[SDjohn]

I think it’s one of those things that’s hard to do right unless you have experience doing it.

Absolutely agree, it’s a young team I’m sure they panicked just a bit there at the end.

I think it’s one of those things that’s hard to do right unless you have experience doing it.

completely agree, I was hoping they would ask the question in the press conference. Boeheim mentioned it at the beginning, but nobody asked if it was him instructing them to foul that quick or if they just got a bit anxious. It’s all good, completely agree with giving the fouls, was just hoping to get a few extra seconds off with the last two.

 

[Bayside44]

Had we waited long enough for someone to throw up a shot for a continuation call and game-winning free throws, I’m sure the OP would have blamed that on coaching as well. Two of the three fouls were committed by freshman. They’ll get better at this.

Here’s what I was wondering in that moment: Would it have made sense to leave the last foul on the table? Again, we’re talking about younger, inexperienced players. Maybe you don’t want to risk a reach in foul for a 1-and-1?

Agree

 

[djcon57]

I think it’s one of those things that’s hard to do right unless you have experience doing it.

Yeah in the grand scheme of things, I had zero issue with what they did knowing how they’ve been in crunch time the last year and no issue if JB told them early or not. Just take some time down so its the last shot and they did that

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think it’s one of those things that’s hard to do right unless you have experience doing it.

That's what she said.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Isn't the idea to go for the steal on the pass and dribble, if you foul, no big deal. If you screw around and wait too long there is the danger of fouling them on a shot giving them free throws.

 

[PhatOrange]

When you’re on the court playing the game with 13 seconds left, you’re not watching the clock saying ok I can foul now. These are seconds we’re taking about.

(and remember the other team is trying to score to.)

 

[kuethstheman]

Well since 2 instances were cited and one just happened a few hours ago…do you honestly disagree that it was bad coaching under the circumstances to instruct the team to foul immediately without regard to where the player was on the court or how close they were to being able to shoot? That’s not debatable.

I have no idea what the coaches told the team. You seem to. Lip reader?

I would have loved for them to allow a few more seconds to run off the clock before fouling but I can think of reasons why they might have told them to foul as soon as they had a chance. Others have mentioned the possible reasons in this thread.

I would have hated if they waited and missed the chance entirely. I've watched many games where the defensive team was unable to get the foul. If that happened, it might have turned out worse. Who knows.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Since a number of coaches are complaining about the fouling with 13 seconds to go, anyone notice that it stopped ND from having more than 1 play to execute.

Did anyone noticed that the ND coach used all his time-outs probably way too early that he needed to? He could have really used one in the last seconds of the game to come up with an alternate strategy once the fouling started.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Let some time run down, THEN foul.

It’s endgame 101.

We keep failing a lot of hoops basics.
Which is a not great look for a team with a HOF coach.

Glad it didn’t bite us in the collective arse. This time.

Well, Boeheim isn't in the HOF for what he's done over the last 5 years.

I didn’t have a single problem with the last possession. Jim put Bol Ajak in for Girard, they used the fouls effectively and JBA swarmed Goodwin on the final shot (which came much closer to going in than it should’ve).

Boeheim gives us plenty of reasons to fairly criticize him, you don’t have to make stuff up to pile on unless you’re just hellbent on being unhappy. He did a good job in crunch time today.

 

[Jake]

Had we waited long enough for someone to throw up a shot for a continuation call and game-winning free throws, I’m sure the OP would have blamed that on coaching as well. Two of the three fouls were committed by freshman. They’ll get better at this.

Here’s what I was wondering in that moment: Would it have made sense to leave the last foul on the table? Again, we’re talking about younger, inexperienced players. Maybe you don’t want to risk a reach in foul for a 1-and-1?

Hah. Had the exact same thought as it was unfolding. Just made me nervous with the way officials officiate. I wanted to be able to defend a dribble drive and it not be a shooting foul…

 

[CuseFaninVT]

That's what she said.

If she’s nice

 

[Jake]

For the record, ND had a foul to give on our last possession….and DID NOT FOUL.

It’s a hard play to make, but the ND defender probably should have nudged Judah before the shot.