The worst part of the ACC move

[Niastri]

Christ died in 32 AD and Mohammed died in 632. Something as small as the Civil War should run out in 2240 or so.

 

[Matt Schrader]

Dont understand how so many guys that are just complete trainwrecks continue to be employed.

Patrick is one of the worst if not the worst. Then Vitale is another. Just get rid of them at this point.

 

[SBU72]

If you are a Northerner(Cuse) and move to the south(ACC), you will never be a Southerner(ACC). Syracuse will be an outlier to most for at least the next ten years.

That will be the biggest problem. SU will no longer be or have a shot at being considered elite. Oh sorry, maybe in 20 years or so. Complain all you want. No amount of recruiting. No number of 20 win seasons will over come that or at least not quickly. Duke and UNC will always be considered top dogs. They will get the 9 PM game during rival week and it will be the headliner for the week. SU will be lucky if they can get on at all during that week (unless they schedule Georgetown or UConn as OOC game) Having a split conference will even prevent that more. SU will not have a chance to compete against the top dogs. They would have to dominate both Duke and UNC twice a year for a number of years to have a chance and the ACC ain't going to allow that to happen.

 

[All4SU]

I would have preferred NCST we have history with them they got julius hodge and we wound up with HAK.

But that is just such an isolated set of incidents. We have history with BC. Some great games, and they are a very comparable institution. Plus Boston is great. It's a good fit.

 

[Marsh01]

Dont understand how so many guys that are just complete trainwrecks continue to be employed.

Patrick is one of the worst if not the worst. Then Vitale is another. Just get rid of them at this point.

Meh, Vitale is harmless. Yes his schtick grows tiresome but he raises an assload of money for cancer research and really is an ambassador for college hoops and constantly sticks up for the sport. He only does one game a week prety much now and so we dont have to deal with him much.

 

[All4SU]

That will be the biggest problem. SU will no longer be or have a shot at being considered elite. Oh sorry, maybe in 20 years or so. Complain all you want. No amount of recruiting. No number of 20 win seasons will over come that or at least not quickly. Duke and UNC will always be considered top dogs. They will get the 9 PM game during rival week and it will be the headliner for the week. SU will be lucky if they can get on at all during that week (unless they schedule Georgetown or UConn as OOC game) Having a split conference will even prevent that more. SU will not have a chance to compete against the top dogs. They would have to dominate both Duke and UNC twice a year for a number of years to have a chance and the ACC ain't going to allow that to happen.

Disagree. The way you keep from being an "outlier" is to (a) win games, and (b) pack the stadiums (ours AND theirs). SU has nothing to apologize for. SU's record of success speaks for itself. No reason to act like a second-class citizen.

Plus with BC and Pitt, and to some degree Maryland, SU is part of a legitimate "northern" contingent. I don't think this "Southern" mentality will be as much of an issue as others here seem to think.

 

[Marsh01]

Disagree. The way you keep from being an "outlier" is to (a) win games, and (b) pack the stadiums (ours AND theirs). SU has nothing to apologize for. SU's record of success speaks for itself. No reason to act like a second-class citizen.

Plus with BC and Pitt, and to some degree Maryland, SU is part of a legitimate "northern" contingent. I don't think this "Southern" mentality will be as much of an issue as others here seem to think.

I agree. We will certainly be headlining games and we will not be playing second fiddle to UNC and Duke for long.

 

[SBU72]

Disagree. The way you keep from being an "outlier" is to (a) win games, and (b) pack the stadiums (ours AND theirs). SU has nothing to apologize for. SU's record of success speaks for itself. No reason to act like a second-class citizen.

Plus with BC and Pitt, and to some degree Maryland, SU is part of a legitimate "northern" contingent. I don't think this "Southern" mentality will be as much of an issue as others here seem to think.

Can't agree about "packing the stadiums" How many ACC games are not played to compacity crowds now? Half the schools play in arens that hold less than 10,000 already. Ain't going to seat more people in them! Only 2 exceed 15,000. SU packing them in isn't going to improve their status because they are already packed. Winning games will but when they won't be playing Duke and UNC more than once on a regular basis, it will be tough too. What sort of Rivalry would SU have with UConn, Gerogetown, Pitt or SJU if the league hadn't had 2 games a year against each. There has been a starin maintaining that with having only the occasional 2 games now. Can't establish one without it. SU will have to consistently, and I mean almost always, be in the championship game if the ACC tourn to get a rivalry going. And without that rivalay SU can't be move into elite status. Not saying they have anything to apologize for, just they won't be top tier. And lastly, considering SU "partnership" with BC and Pitt's with Maryland, who do you thing made out the better on that deal? If Pitt gets that rivalry going first, who will have the better chance to rise to the top tier?

 

[SU2NASA]

Wait til the people at UNC get a taste of our locust fanbase like their friends in Raleigh did.

We can be those northerners, I'm good with it.

 

[jordoo]

Please we are not reliant on the ACC fan bases to be considered elite nore beating UNC and Duke twiice a season. Win the conferense do well in the conference torney and do well in the NCAAT no matter who you play. That is what makes teams elite. Who is Kentukys rival? There biggest one is OOC in lville and they play them once a year.

 

[Moontan]

Wait til the people at UNC get a taste of our locust fanbase like their friends in Raleigh did.

Tickets for the Dean Dome and Cameron will be a bit tougher to come by.

 

[SU2NASA]

Tickets for the Dean Dome and Cameron will be a bit tougher to come by.

They didn't even sell tickets publicly for the G'town game at the Verizon Center and we still had 40% of the crowd.

Maybe not Cameron, but I expect a big presence the first time we go into Chapel Hill and that morgue.

 

[jordoo]

Tickets for the Dean Dome and Cameron will be a bit tougher to come by.

My dad has a good friend who has promised us tickets to the first SU UNC game @ the Dean Dome. I doubt I'll ever see an SU game at Cameron but certainly SU fans will find a way in.

 

[moqui]

We'll be the hated Yankee invaders.

and it is even more delicious that one of our most beloved players of all time is nicknamed General Sherman

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

It's not the coast. It's where the Mason-Dixon line is.

Bingo. I live in Charlotte. Down here, it's all UNC, some Duke, some NC St. I am a Yankee, even if they don't say it. SU will never really be a part of the ACC. We will be more like captives from a war we lost. Forever.

Being honest, I root for Gtown or UConn in the NCAAs, esp if we have been eliminated. I could never root for Duke because they are in "our" conference. Bleah!

 

[realorange]

Christ died in 32 AD and Mohammed died in 632. Something as small as the Civil War should run out in 2240 or so.

Maybe! :noidea:

 

[BlackKnight76]

I doubt I'll ever see an SU game at Cameron but certainly SU fans will find a way in.

Since they apparently only fill half of the student section for some games, I'm sure we can take those tickets off their hands.

 

[SouthCampusHero]

SU will never really be a part of the ACC. We will be more like captives from a war we lost. Forever.

Out of curiosity, what war did the Yankees lose? Ill admit...Im not a historian but Im pretty sure Robert E. Lee shined Abraham Lincoln's shoes at one point...

Oh...and history has a tendency to repeat itself... My musket is loaded and ready to go...is yours?

 

[SouthCampusHero]

Oh and one other thing...

I love the ACC move. Its Cuse, BC and Pitt against the ACC. Its the Civil War all over again. Screw Georgetown's symbolic uniform colors...we ditched them and dove straight into a true hate fest. So long as we stay competitive, they will hate us (and yes, they still call "northerners" Yankees)...which will make it all the more fun and establish rivalries even faster...at least faster than we would ever be able to establish rivalries with DePaul, Cincy, Marq, USF, UCF and the Texas schools...and the Idaho school...and the California school...Yuck.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Out of curiosity, what war did the Yankees lose? Ill admit...Im not a historian but Im pretty sure Robert E. Lee shined Abraham Lincoln's shoes at one point...

Oh...and history has a tendency to repeat itself... My musket is loaded and ready to go...is yours?

I was referring to the fact that we were absorbed by the ACC, that we became part of "them".

 

[sufandu]

I can't believe nobody is upset about having to play Boston college twice a year in bball. They may be the worst division one team in the country. They lost to every d1 team in boston area this year and really have never been historically significant. We're trading playing UConn and Lille twice a year for that? We better play a tougher occ schedule else it's going to be a boring bball season. I was at the Garden today and it was 80% cuse, what are all the NYC alumni going to do?

I'm not happy about being paired with them. I never considered them any kind of a rival even when they were in the Big East. That's why I was hoping UConn was going to join us in the move. Hopefully we establish a series with Georgetown and/or UConn.

 

[OrangeAl]

The worst part of the ACC move? Last night SNY had a show on the top ten basketball players in Big East history and I loved it! Pearl, DC, Chris Mullen, Patrick Ewing and all the memories and rivalries in the northeast will now just be trivia. And what's replacing them? A stretched out conference with a Yankee / Rebel theme. That's a bit hackneyed.

 

[Moontan]

The worst part of the ACC move? Last night SNY had a show on the top ten basketball players in Big East history and I loved it! Pearl, DC, Chris Mullen, Patrick Ewing and all the memories and rivalries in the northeast will now just be trivia.

All of your hoops references go back to the 80s. This isn't the same Big East conference as then.

A stretched out conference with a Yankee / Rebel theme.

It's stretched as far as the 90s Big East. The same Miami as before. USF, Marquette and DePaul aren't exactly down the road.

 

[OrangeAl]

All of your hoops references go back to the 80s. This isn't the same Big East conference as then.

It's stretched as far as the 90s Big East. The same Miami as before. USF, Marquette and DePaul aren't exactly down the road.

Ah, for the days when the Big East was truly northeastern. So, I amend my statement: The worst thing about the ACC move is that it points back to the fatal mistake of letting the small schools freeze out Penn State. With them in, I bet we still have a true Big East.

 

[tbonezone]

to quote ronny reagan on the BE /acc bball cold war of the past 2 decades.
"commissioner...tear down this wall...and pretty puhleezzz let us come live there!"
kinda the bizarro appomattox.