the WR rotation

[cusefan88]

Would like to see Jordan get more run with the 1's if Butler continues his less than stellar start to the season. It seems like it's all effort and focus for Butler

 

[SWC75]

It's only game 1. let's see how the line-up changes as the season progresses. I think Wagner and Connecticut will be opportunities to get the young guys in there. if they can make plays, we'll see more of them going forward. To say "if they could catch they would be out there" is premature, just as giving up on the starters is. I just want to see a mix so the cream can rise to the top.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Question for those people on here who are smarter than me...okay, a question for everyone...

Isn’t WR usually one of the easier positions for pure athletic ability to get on the field early? I mean I know that lots of guys take a year or two to develop, but not everyone, right? Or is the offense so complicated that WRs need time not only to mature but to absorb the intricacies of the offense too?

Normally I would agree, but the thing about this offense is that there's not a traditional playbook. It's all reads off of sets. Which side is your defender leaning to? Which way should you release? Where's the open part of the field? In that sense, our offense is a little like soccer, where the players look for the open spaces between defenders to receive the ball.

Since so much of our offense is "read based", as opposed to more scripted, the traditional way, "on this play you do this", I think that's what makes it harder.

 

[SUFan44]

Normally I would agree, but the thing about this offense is that there's not a traditional playbook. It's all reads off of sets. Which side is your defender leaning to? Which way should you release? Where's the open part of the field? In that sense, our offense is a little like soccer, where the players look for the open spaces between defenders to receive the ball.

Since so much of our offense is "read based", as opposed to more scripted, the traditional way, "on this play you do this", I think that's what makes it harder.

Amba Etta-Tawo wasn't here very long and he had quite a first year.

Don't buy that excuse.

 

[TheCusian]

Normally I would agree, but the thing about this offense is that there's not a traditional playbook. It's all reads off of sets. Which side is your defender leaning to? Which way should you release? Where's the open part of the field? In that sense, our offense is a little like soccer, where the players look for the open spaces between defenders to receive the ball.

Since so much of our offense is "read based", as opposed to more scripted, the traditional way, "on this play you do this", I think that's what makes it harder.

I think this is right. Easy to learn - but a metric ton of nuance that take a while to pick up and master

 

[IthacaMatt]

Amba Etta-Tawo wasn't here very long and he had quite a first year.

Don't buy that excuse.

He was a fifth year college player. He knew a lot more about the position than a frosh.

 

[SUFan44]

He was a fifth year college player. He knew a lot more about the position than a frosh.

Correct - but I still don't buy our offense being more nuanced than any other. Western Michigan had a true frosh go for 121 & a TD Friday. Why can't any of our true or redshirt frosh overtake gator arms Butler or 5-8, 115lb Riley? Baffling to me.

 

[TheCusian]

Correct - but I still don't buy our offense being more nuanced than any other. Western Michigan had a true frosh go for 121 & a TD Friday. Why can't any of our true or redshirt frosh overtake gator arms Butler or 5-8, 115lb Riley? Baffling to me.

It’s been one game. Those guys have put in the time and produced at the college level. If they have another bad game, we’ll see young guys.

 

[SWC75]

It’s been one game. Those guys have put in the time and produced at the college level. If they have another bad game, we’ll see young guys.

We'll see the young guys this week.

 

[SUFan44]

It’s been one game. Those guys have put in the time and produced at the college level. If they have another bad game, we’ll see young guys.

Riley & Butler have produced?

Sorry - I must have missed where either of them have been impactful over the last two years. The two have combined to catch 54 passes in 43 combined games played.

Neither caught a ball Friday despite being in the game the majority of the time.

Enough of both. If the new guys are more talented (and according to the board experts, they are), then they should play.

 

[MadNY3]

Riley & Butler have produced?

Sorry - I must have missed where either of them have been impactful over the last two years. The two have combined to catch 54 passes in 43 combined games played.

Neither caught a ball Friday despite being in the game the majority of the time.

Enough of both. If the new guys are more talented (and according to the board experts, they are), then they should play.

Nothing would make me happier than to see a focused, hustling Butler produce this week.

We waited years for Custis to have a game like he did against WMU. Really pulling for Butler to learn from last Friday versus casting him off.

 

[rrlbees]

Riley & Butler have produced?

Sorry - I must have missed where either of them have been impactful over the last two years. The two have combined to catch 54 passes in 43 combined games played.

Neither caught a ball Friday despite being in the game the majority of the time.

Enough of both. If the new guys are more talented (and according to the board experts, they are), then they should play.

Butler was our 3rd leading receiver last year and a starter.

 

[MadNY3]

Butler was out 3rd leading receiver last year and a starter.

And top four in TD passes thrown.

 

[SUFan44]

Butler was our 3rd leading receiver last year and a starter.

You would say he has produced? I wouldn't.

 

[Ish88888]

Would like to see Jordan get more run with the 1's if Butler continues his less than stellar start to the season. It seems like it's all effort and focus for Butler

True, which is dusturbing when you have the world in your grasp. The#1 shot at being Dino's #1 guy and thus a chance to be the man and a pro prospect. Cant coach head cases.

 

[orangepassion]

FWIW Ish was good from early in year 1

 

[TheCusian]

Riley & Butler have produced?

Sorry - I must have missed where either of them have been impactful over the last two years. The two have combined to catch 54 passes in 43 combined games played.

Neither caught a ball Friday despite being in the game the majority of the time.

Enough of both. If the new guys are more talented (and according to the board experts, they are), then they should play.

We don’t beat Pitt last year without Butler’s TD. He played well vs LSU.

Riley had a nice game vs CMU.

That’s more production than the freshman have.

I’m not saying they are the answer. But we haven’t seen practice or fall camp to know that anyone’s definitively better at every thing a WR is supposed to do in our system.

 

[SUFan44]

We don’t beat Pitt last year without Butler’s TD. He played well vs LSU.

Riley had a nice game vs CMU.

That’s more production than the freshman have.

I’m not saying they are the answer. But we haven’t seen practice or fall camp to know that anyone’s definitively better at every thing a WR is supposed to do in our system.

My overarching point is I would have hoped one or two of these Babers recruits would be ready to take plenty of snaps away from these two.

 

[BKCuse]

Normally I would agree, but the thing about this offense is that there's not a traditional playbook. It's all reads off of sets. Which side is your defender leaning to? Which way should you release? Where's the open part of the field? In that sense, our offense is a little like soccer, where the players look for the open spaces between defenders to receive the ball.

Since so much of our offense is "read based", as opposed to more scripted, the traditional way, "on this play you do this", I think that's what makes it harder.

I agree with everything about this Matt.

Seems like the Offensive players all need to master their reads and reacts. It can’t be easy for the freshmen to get to speed on that stuff.

 

[TheCusian]

My overarching point is I would have hoped one or two of these Babers recruits would be ready to take plenty of snaps away from these two.

These guys *are* Babers recruits. But yeah, I’m hoping for production from someone besides Custis.

 

[phil77]

I seem to remember in Baylor they had WRs produce early on as Freshman and Sophomores.

 

[SmilinBob]

Has an SU Babers coached team ever had 28 passes? I think we have seen a smaller sample size than normal to be able to truly see how much Riley or Butler have improved or not improved/stayed the same. I was not thrilled with their performance by any means but unless I can see the whole field and see if they were open or about to be I'll ease my evaluation. I trust Babers.

 

[SoBristol]

Has an SU Babers coached team ever had 28 passes? I think we have seen a smaller sample size than normal ...

Or completed only 11 of those 28 attempts for a completion percentage of ---- 39.2%?
Did not matter on a day when Dungey was getting big yards on his running, but a low completion percentage is not what we expect in a Babers offense.

Butler may be OK if it turns out he is the 3rd receiving option, in the mid-range. His blocking is a plus. I doubt he is the receiver we want going long.

 

[SmilinBob]

Or completed only 11 of those 28 attempts for a completion percentage of ---- 39.2%?
Did not matter on a day when Dungey was getting big yards on his running, but a low completion percentage is not what we expect in a Babers offense.

Butler may be OK if it turns out he is the 3rd receiving option, in the mid-range. His blocking is a plus. I doubt he is the receiver we want going long.

Those passing numbers seem all too familiar for us SU fans. It was one surreal game.

 

[RF2044]

My overarching point is I would have hoped one or two of these Babers recruits would be ready to take plenty of snaps away from these two.

Babers has been here for three recruiting classes -- the first of which was 11th hour / scramble mode, after he got hired.

In the first class, the only WRs he brought in were Riley and Butler. Both have played.

The second class, we brought in several wideouts and they all redshirted {I think N. Johnson might have played on special teams, and obviously Pierce while not a WR is a starter].

The third class of guys are all true frosh.

The players from these last two classes--where we've landed better WR talent -- have had a grand total of 1 game to show their capabilities. I'm certain that as this year unfolds, we're going to see players from the class of 2017 and 2018 start to supplant the incumbents if they continue to be ineffective. But the reason that they haven't done much is that Friday was the first time the vast majority of receivers from those two classes had the opportunity to see the field.