There will come a day when we have a good offense

[Chip]

Can we cut it with the gay jokes? Not just you, but this is like the third one tonight. We lost a game, emotions are high, but we're all better than that.

Cut off my legs why don't ya.

 

[Millhouse]

Cut off my legs why don't ya.

It would take pressure off your knees

 

[jgeorge322]

Wow, original. Bet you wept blood when Hackett gained 400+ yards against WVU in 2011, too.

It's understandable when the board refuses to acknowledge another team's propensities. Too blind to see any realities because McNabb isn't at the helm. Time to move forward. The board is always at it's most negative after losses. Clemson played as poorly on O as SU did on O. Defense was the decider. Their's was better. Denying that would be Rutgers-esque.

What are you talking about?

 

[CousCuse]

Thought I was numb to it because I've been banging this drum for so long, but today it's getting to me.

That guy at the Cleveland Indians games did it for like 40 years , so let that be an inspiration to you in these dark days.

 

[anomander]

That guy at the Cleveland Indians games did it for like 40 years , so let that be an inspiration to you in these dark days.

We should be able to accidently stumble blindly into the top 25 at least once a decade. We should be due.

 

[Upstate]

We should be able to accidently stumble blindly into the top 25 at least once a decade. We should be due.

End of 2012, there were only about 15 teams playing better than SU. I'd have taken them against anyone outside of the top 15 in late November.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

Wow, original. Bet you wept blood when Hackett gained 400+ yards against WVU in 2011, too.

It's understandable when the board refuses to acknowledge another team's propensities. Too blind to see any realities because McNabb isn't at the helm. Time to move forward. The board is always at it's most negative after losses. Clemson played as poorly on O as SU did on O. Defense was the decider. Their's was better. Denying that would be Rutgers-esque.

Do you think it's possible that they might be talking about more than just this game?

 

[anomander]

End of 2012, there were only about 15 teams playing better than SU. I'd have taken them against anyone outside of the top 15 in late November.

I agree with that. If only we had Pugh for the whole year.

 

[Upstate]

Do you think it's possible that they might be talking about more than just this game?

Playing a tough schedule isn't gong to give you the numbers everyone wants to see at this point, with this talent. It's just the truth. I still think they can win out and have a great season, though. Just need to give credit where it has been earned. Lots of variables this year, more than any other. OC change, starting QB breaking a leg, best back-up is a true frosh vs. the two best teams in the division in a 3-game span... Not to mention a change in philosophy offensively after a coaching change. Not worried. Very optimistic about the future. Schedule hasn't been favorable, but I still think SU's the #4 behind Ville.

 

[djorange1989]

I agree with that. If only we had Pugh for the whole year.

And if only we were smart and had scheduled FIU, Idaho and Akron instead of Northwestern USC and Minnesota we would have gone 10-2!

 

[Orangepace]

Not sure how you can jump to that conclusion after 3 games at the helm, 2 of which be ranked teams and all of them with a freshman QB.

simple. There wasn't a single drive the entire game where I thought... Damn, that would have worked. Don't care how the season plays out. It's Lester/McDonald or Shafer.

 

[OrangePA]

The offense will come around.

We have faced three very tough defenses - ND, FSU and Clemson.

And we have had to play with a young QB.

I'm confident about the rest of the season.

Really looking forward to NC State.

 

[Millhouse]

I can't be the only one who hears diamond Dave when I read "there will come a day" bozy bozy bop zitty bop

 

[PeteCalvin]

Just take a look at today's scoreboard. Games in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even one in the 80's. It's frustrating watching that all day and then watch our offense.

I bet any one of those teams that put up 50, 60, 70 and 80 would KILL to have our defense so that they didn't have to light up the scoreboard. TCU can score, no doubt, but no one in that conference plays defense. If they had our defense in the Baylor game, that's a win for TCU.

 

[anomander]

I bet any one of those teams that put up 50, 60, 70 and 80 would KILL to have our defense so that they didn't have to light up the scoreboard. TCU can score, no doubt, but no one in that conference plays defense. If they had our defense in the Baylor game, that's a win for TCU.

TCU has a very good defense. Statistically they are just as good as us going up against far better offenses week in and week out. As good as our defense is against bad offensive teams it still got torched by Maryland, FSU, Notre Dame, and Nova to an extent. Baylor has a top 20 defense in that league. I'd trade with either one of those 2.

 

[qdawgg]

When some of our young talent gets their sea legs. Might not happen this year, but it could next year.

This isn't directed at you or meant to sound like a (that's not a gay joke btw). I feel like we said that two years ago and the year before that and so on. We are always waiting for some special players to come into their own so we can look like a real college football team. Maybe in two years it will come, it's just hard to believe an offense is ever coming to the Dome.

 

[jekelish]

 

[RF2044]

This isn't directed at you or meant to sound like a (that's not a gay joke btw). I feel like we said that two years ago and the year before that and so on. We are always waiting for some special players to come into their own so we can look like a real college football team. Maybe in two years it will come, it's just hard to believe an offense is ever coming to the Dome.

C'mon--you can't say two years ago--the Nassib senior year--that we were looking forward to all of the skilled offensive talent waiting behind that group.

I hate the "wait until next year" sentiment--it gets old. But let's face facts--right now, our starting QB, arguably best WR, our most explosive RB, etc. are all true frosh. Not even redshirt frosh--true frosh. There's not only bound to be growing pains, but it is very likely that this group--while struggling at times now--is going to have their learning curves dramatically accelerated as a function of having been thrown to the wolves early on.

Two years from now, Long [as a third year starter] is going to be a stud, throwing to an experienced group of receivers who've "grown up" together. Pretending that we had the kind of playmaking talent needed to be top 25 last year understates how much the offensive talent needs to be upgraded.

If we're still saying this in two years, please feel free to remind me / call me out. But I believe this core of offensive skilled frosh are the group that gets us over the hump and to the next level.

 

[jekelish]

C'mon--you can't say two years ago--the Nassib senior year--that we were looking forward to all of the skilled offensive talent waiting behind that group.

I hate the "wait until next year" sentiment--it gets old. But let's face facts--right now, our starting QB, arguably best WR, our most explosive RB, etc. are all true frosh. Not even redshirt frosh--true frosh. There's not only bound to be growing pains, but it is very likely that this group--while struggling at times now--is going to have their learning curves dramatically accelerated as a function of having been thrown to the wolves early on.

Two years from now, Long [as a third year starter] is going to be a stud, throwing to an experienced group of receivers who've "grown up" together. Pretending that we had the kind of playmaking talent needed to be top 25 last year understates how much the offensive talent needs to be upgraded.

If we're still saying this in two years, please feel free to remind me / call me out. But I believe this core of offensive skilled frosh are the group that gets us over the hump and to the next level.

Agreed - and then add in Custis, Eniocy, etc in terms of targets for AJ and our offense has a chance to be solid. There's no substitute, in terms of player development, for getting out on the field and playing. There will be dividends down the road.

 

[RF2044]

Agreed - and then add in Custis, Eniocy, etc in terms of targets for AJ and our offense has a chance to be solid. There's no substitute, in terms of player development, for getting out on the field and playing. There will be dividends down the road.

And I want to be clear: there are no guarantees. Maybe Long isn't the guy [although I believe he'll emerge and put these question marks to bed]. People who are comparing him to Nunes, complaining about his physical tools, etc. will be singing a different tune next year.

 

[jekelish]

And I want to be clear: there are no guarantees. Maybe Long isn't the guy [although I believe he'll emerge and put these question marks to bed]. People who are comparing him to Nunes, complaining about his physical tools, etc. will be singing a different tune next year.

The difference between AJ and Nunes, and other guys who have come along since then is one very important thing: his head. AJ gets it, and he's a mature kid. I think that, as much as anything, is what's going to cause him to succeed going forward.

 

[dasher]

can't wait. Lester isn't the solution. Hope shader realizes it while he can.

And you know this how???

 

[qdawgg]

C'mon--you can't say two years ago--the Nassib senior year--that we were looking forward to all of the skilled offensive talent waiting behind that group.

I hate the "wait until next year" sentiment--it gets old. But let's face facts--right now, our starting QB, arguably best WR, our most explosive RB, etc. are all true frosh. Not even redshirt frosh--true frosh. There's not only bound to be growing pains, but it is very likely that this group--while struggling at times now--is going to have their learning curves dramatically accelerated as a function of having been thrown to the wolves early on.

Two years from now, Long [as a third year starter] is going to be a stud, throwing to an experienced group of receivers who've "grown up" together. Pretending that we had the kind of playmaking talent needed to be top 25 last year understates how much the offensive talent needs to be upgraded.

If we're still saying this in two years, please feel free to remind me / call me out. But I believe this core of offensive skilled frosh are the group that gets us over the hump and to the next level.

I don't disagree at all. It's just hard not to feel like we are always saying similar things this time of year, spring training, and before the season starts.

 

[RF2044]

I don't disagree at all. It's just hard not to feel like we are always saying similar things this time of year, spring training, and before the season starts.

The difference [I'm hoping] this time is that we actually have some young skilled talent that looks like they have the potential to be above average.

 

[PeteCalvin]

TCU has a very good defense. Statistically they are just as good as us going up against far better offenses week in and week out. As good as our defense is against bad offensive teams it still got torched by Maryland, FSU, Notre Dame, and Nova to an extent. Baylor has a top 20 defense in that league. I'd trade with either one of those 2.

Dude...I'm looking for silver linings, and you're killing me.