This SI Oklahoma State article is crazy

[upperdeck]

Not if you are already a full athletic scholarship. In that case, you get a stipend for clothing/shoes, and have to turn in receipts to document how you spent the money. That's why schools are pushing to allow for athletic scholarships to be full cost of attendance, like academic scholarships.

Just another one of those NCAA things that makes no sense.

thats not true..

"The Register's look into finances revealed that 1,064 football players at the 23 responding schools last year received a combined $4.7 million through Pell Grants, a federally funded program "that provides need-based grants to low-income students," according to the U.S. Department of Education."

thats 4k per kid..

 

[zibby]

Who does Oklahoma State think they are...an SEC school?

 

[Full_Rebar]

What are the 23 schools this refers to? All D1? Maybe some schools are using Pell Grants as part of the scholarship package, but it isn't cash beyond tuition, room and board. That is a fact.

I was corrected by a friend that the money for the clothes/shoes was for Pell Grant eligible kids and came from the conference.

 

[DPCuse]

THIS x 100,000,000

The Most Important Part Of SI's Oklahoma State Shamestravaganza

Beneath all of the handwringing and pearl clutching that is laced throughout Sports Illustrated's story on Oklahoma State's pay-for-play schemes is this, the final paragraph:

At Oklahoma State the bonus system, the booster and coach payouts, and the bogus jobs provided players with money that was seldom spent on extravagances. One or two standouts bought a new car or expensive jewelry, team members say, but the vast majority of the players used the extra cash to purchase everyday items — food, clothing, tickets to a movie. "There were some athletes who were almost starving," says Carter. "Wherever the money came from, they were like, Yeah, I'll take that."

After 3,000 words about wads of money being stuffed into envelopes and socks—after all that scandalous B-movie imagery—we are finally told the only thing that really matters about this story: All that money was going towards clothes and food for college kids who otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford either. Everything else is just useless muckraking on behalf of the exploiters at the NCAA.

[SI]

http://deadspin.com/the-most-important-part-of-sis-oklahoma-state-shamestr-1283436204


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Let's stop with the "these kids are starving" BS. Their scholarships include meal plans where it's all you can eat. There is a difference between "starving" and wanting a pizza at midnight.

 

[CuseCrew08]

Nobody has mentioned alcohol, that is where most of my spare money went.

They aren't serving bud lights and vodka at the dining halls.

 

[Frozen]

Nobody has mentioned alcohol, that is where most of my spare money went.

They aren't serving bud lights and vodka at the dining halls.

Allegedly SU used to serve beer in the dining halls when the drinking age was 18. Not sure if that is truth or urban myth. My guess is the latter. Maybe one of our more elderly posters on this board can confirm.

 

[upperdeck]

What are the 23 schools this refers to? All D1? Maybe some schools are using Pell Grants as part of the scholarship package, but it isn't cash beyond tuition, room and board. That is a fact.

I was corrected by a friend that the money for the clothes/shoes was for Pell Grant eligible kids and came from the conference.

ALL Div 1 football and it was all stated as money beyond what the scholie provides. read the article

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...yers-collecting-millions-in-grants/50170388/1

scholie was 28K at Iowa state, cost of of attendance was 30K the pell avg was 4k.. "

That's an average of $4,442 per recipient beyond his full athletic scholarship, which includes tuition, room and board, and books." what other things do they have to pay for?

I went to college 5 years.. I saw Zero movies off campus, never ate a dinner off campus unless I went home. I never went and bought clothes during the school year. What Kids want and what Kids need is no different for athletes and non athletes. They dont need to go out 2-3 times a week, they dont need new clothes every week and they dont need pizza every night..

The issue is that Pell is for about 30% of the kids at most of these big time places..

the cost of attendance is seen as only a 1-3K thing for a student. you can earn that 1k making $7 for 20 hrs in 8 weeks in a summer job.

 

[Legendof44]

If this stuff is true and I don't doubt it how can the NCAA not give the Oklahoma State football the death penalty. This is SMU all over again. DeForest is an idiot for commenting just say no comment rather than lie when the article has so many former players on the record. Les Miles is going to take a huge hit as well with Gundy and I love that T. Boone Pickens only the wealthiest booster of them all wasn't identified.

Part I SI on Oklahoma State

insert every single SEC program into this story as well...but we will NEVER see SI or espn report anything negative on the SEC and have it matter. EVER.

 

[dollarbill44]

I call BS on that one. If you're a scholarship athlete the meal plan is included. How could you almost be starving?


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Ask Marcus Camby. Maybe all they eat is Snickers.

 

[jekelish]

The most mind blowing thing for me is the fact that apparently T. Boone Pickens is not being implicated at ALL.

That's insane, but SI is saying that he apparently was not involved in any of this stuff.

 

[All4SU]

First, it's basic cash payments. Second, the story is being sustained by disgruntled ex players that have been paid. And third, Thayer Evans has been fired for creating stories.

Not saying this isn't true, but there is a lot to question. And, one final thing, as Deadspin pointed out, the most important paragraph is this:

At Oklahoma State the bonus system, the booster and coach payouts, and the bogus jobs provided players with money that was seldom spent on extravagances. One or two standouts bought a new car or expensive jewelry, team members say, but the vast majority of the players used the extra cash to purchase everyday items — food, clothing, tickets to a movie. "There were some athletes who were almost starving," says Carter. "Wherever the money came from, they were like, Yeah, I'll take that."

How dare these scoundrels!

And tattoos?

 

[sufandu]

Is that what your "gut" is telling you? Do you reallly think $200 gets you tats, jewelry and cars?

Maybe you have, but your statement reeks of never having a serious lack of money.

You can call BS, but you have nothing to back it up. A lot of these kids are seriously poor. Like insanely poor. And yes, being able to go out to eat at Applebees or to a movie is what that money probably paid for most of the time.

You can't live like Diddy for the amounts they were receiving.

He's calling BS on the statement that they were starving. No D-1 athlete is starving while on campus, and most stay on campus year round. All of the high level football teams have nutritionists on staff now, so not only do they have access to food, they're probably eating better than the rest of the student body that paid for their meal plans. No person that weighs over 200 lbs is starving, not one.

 

[SU2NASA]

There's one glaring takeaway from this article. We're not cheating enough.

 

[MikeSU02]

Whitlock is putting Thayer Evans on blast on the radio, also tweeted this:

Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason1h
Yes, I'm not speculating about his incompetence. RT @MinnickTaylor: Wasn't Thayer Evans a colleague of yours over at Fox Sports

One of the guys he interviewed is already stating that Thayler manipulated what he said.

Again, not saying OSU isn't guilty, but if you come after a program this hard, you better have your work in order. Thayer Evans was NOT the guy to be writing this piece. There are going to be credibility issues all along the way as they release more and more now.

 

[rrlbees]

I think you are assuming that meal plans are all you can eat and open 24 hrs. My University changed it my Senior year that they weigh the food. You pretty much were always over the amount alotted and had to pay cash for the overage. Also the times were very stringent and playing baseball in college I wasn't able to eat two meals a day a lot because of my class and baseball schedule.

I couldn't imagine how football players who eat a lot more, have brutal schedules, and are less well off manage it. I don't know what the fix is for paying players but just stating how it was in my college. I know players from my school wouldn't turn down money from friends (our age, friends of the program or other wealthy parents) for meals, hair cuts, and some amenities.

I, and a couple others, were responding to the word "starving". I've known a lot of athletes and none ever went starving.


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[Full_Rebar]

ALL Div 1 football and it was all stated as money beyond what the scholie provides. read the article

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...yers-collecting-millions-in-grants/50170388/1

scholie was 28K at Iowa state, cost of of attendance was 30K the pell avg was 4k.. "

That's an average of $4,442 per recipient beyond his full athletic scholarship, which includes tuition, room and board, and books." what other things do they have to pay for?

I went to college 5 years.. I saw Zero movies off campus, never ate a dinner off campus unless I went home. I never went and bought clothes during the school year. What Kids want and what Kids need is no different for athletes and non athletes. They dont need to go out 2-3 times a week, they dont need new clothes every week and they dont need pizza every night..

The issue is that Pell is for about 30% of the kids at most of these big time places..

the cost of attendance is seen as only a 1-3K thing for a student. you can earn that 1k making $7 for 20 hrs in 8 weeks in a summer job.

Well, I will admit to being wrong about the Pell Grants. Everything I read (was told) was that no money could go beyond tuition, room and board or it was a NCAA violation.

As for summer jobs, most coaches now want the athletes focused on training and either getting ahead or catching up with classes. This is why there is a push for cost of attendance funding.

 

[DCCuse]

Allegedly SU used to serve beer in the dining halls when the drinking age was 18. Not sure if that is truth or urban myth. My guess is the latter. Maybe one of our more elderly posters on this board can confirm.

Can't speak to the dining halls as it was just before me, but know that they served beer in the snack bars. The Junction on Mt. Olympus had a kegerator and students could charge beers to their SUPA cards.

 

['72 Orange]

Allegedly SU used to serve beer in the dining halls when the drinking age was 18. Not sure if that is truth or urban myth. My guess is the latter. Maybe one of our more elderly posters on this board can confirm.

While on campus alcohol was never served in dining halls in fact it was prohibited in the dorms and we had to sneak it up the rear stairwell in Marion Hall after making a beer run on M Street. I remember that the Jaberwocky Club that opened under Kimmel did serve beer.

Oh by the way - I deeply resent that crack about one of "our more elderly posters". Damn kids! Get off of my lawn!!!!

 

[SUinNYC]

Let's stop with the "these kids are starving" BS. Their scholarships include meal plans where it's all you can eat. There is a difference between "starving" and wanting a pizza at midnight.

The word starving never appeared in my post. I was reiterating Deadspin's position that the NCAA exploits athletes with a corrupt system.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.


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[djcon57]

How would everyone feel about an expose about Syracuse Basketball by a very loudly open Georgetown alum?

Cause that's what this basically is.

Sorry, this is .

 

[sufandu]

The word starving never appeared in my post. I was reiterating Deadspin's position that the NCAA exploits athletes with a corrupt system.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.


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I wish I had the opportunity to be "exploited" like that. These kids get a completely free ride for 4-5 years with opportunities to get educations that can change not only their lives, but the lives of those around them. They get free food, housing, clothes, and stipends. I've known non-revenue athletes at one school that get enough team apparel and NCAA sanctioned gifts they gave some away to friends because they didn't want it all.

The guy busting his butt in a factory 60+ hours per week for 30+ years only to be told the company pension fund is bankrupt has been exploited. An 18-22 year old receiving numerous benefits while becoming no worse than a local celebrity for playing a sport that he'd otherwise play for fun in his spare time is not.

 

[tep624]

So you're to allow me to beleive that the players at OSU are almost starving? I call BS. Sure they want money for Midnight Pizza...but most seem to have no issues spending money on Tats, jewerly and cars.

How do you starve on a school sponsored meal plan? The one year I paid for a school plan I put on 15 pounds.

I call massive bullshit on that, or maybe the players were so dumb they coudn't find the cafeteria.

 

[Frozen]

How would everyone feel about an expose about Syracuse Basketball by a very loudly open Georgetown alum?

Cause that's what this basically is.

Sorry, this is .

So the writer is risking his job and his future within the sportswriting industry because he wants to make a rival school look bad by making stuff up?

 

[djcon57]

So the writer is risking his job and his future within the sportswriting industry because he wants to make a rival school look bad by making stuff up?

Please look up the gentleman's history. Thanks.

 

[djcon57]

The guy busting his butt in a factory 60+ hours per week for 30+ years only to be told the company pension fund is bankrupt has been exploited.

The factory guy brings no skills to the table that bring in money. Sorry.