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This was the reality check we did not want or need

The best team in the conference doesn't lose to Rutgers at home.

Are they good? We'll see. Hard to argue they're the best team given they already lost to Miami.
Rutty was the only bad loss.

They lost to Miami on a coin flip. You serious? Maybe better phrasing is - VT has an upside that is as good as any team in the ACC. They have clear advantages at RB and DL. Add in a mobile QB.
 
Well look at the state of the country/our team

Who says this is the most talented roster? On paper maybe but i still say the camping world bowl team was better. The oline certainly isnt what it was in 2018 thats for damn sure. Without an oline its all a crapshoot. I see it with the Giants weekly

And is mccord really a top 5 qb? I would say top 15ish at best. Brand new staff, brand new everything. The problem is everyone wants to win now. Immediately. Nobody has any patience anymore. I actually was getting texts last night to fire FB. I mean give me an ef fing break.

I for one am willing to give this a couple more years to see how this plays out. I mean we have a top 30ish recruiting class next season coming in.

Be patient
That’s because you see teams showing immediate results with the portal. See Curt Cignetti and Indiana. When you have teams like this you have to make them count. Individual talent wise this team is better than 2018, which was Babers 2nd team, who turned out to be a terrible HC. Heading into this game i would have labeled McCord a top 5 QB in the country and never expected such an implosion. A lot was the OL and the lack of the run game, but Kyle also made some terrible decisions.

In no way am I saying to fire Fran Brown, but some of the comments he made leading up to this game and after were head scratchers. Seems he’s too worried about banging in practice. Also, not coordinating an offense or defense really sticks out in games like this where it comes down to Narduzzi/DC vs Nixon. What was our game plan? I would love to know. Nobody remembers 7 or 8 win seasons. You have to capitalize.
 
With a first time head coach? And our talent does not include the trenches, especially on the offensive side, the most important thing to winning football games. Our talent is very good at the skill positions and our defense has some good pieces. That’s it.
Curt Cignetti figured it out first time coaching at the P4 level. Very easy for programs to turn it around in a year. That was Fran’s selling point as well.

With Marlowe and Barnes back our defense looked good. No OL and running game is our problem. Other than ST’s which is atrocious and if there is a worst group in the country i’d hate to see them.
 
This is NOT the most talented roster we've had in decades. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. The OL is not good. The D is avg at best. Chestnut/Wax are good players but they aren't 1st or 2nd day draft picks. Sat afternoon or undrafted FAs. Last night was a big bologna burp for sure. But some were expecting way too much out of a portal mashed squad under a first year coach without a cohesive OL.
I forgot, how many 1st or 2nd round draft picks have precious teams had? This team will produce more than any prior. Indiana is having no problem in year 1 of their portal mashed team. Can name several others as well.

The next team we have that is more talented and has the matching advantageous schedule to boot, wake me up.
 
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The best team in the conference doesn't lose to Rutgers at home.

Are they good? We'll see. Hard to argue they're the best team given they already lost to Miami.
VT is better than Pitt. Pitt’s offense was average at best. I don’t care what their numbers say. Holstein was crappy the past two weeks. VT has more speed and a true dual threat QB.
 
We have been through hell for 25 years, had 8ish years of quality in 35 years, we don't need to be humbled, by 'peer' programs.

But, humbled we were.

Not much to say, 5 interceptions!!!! WTAF?

Big boyed at every skill position & on the line.

Decades of losing to Pitt.

Coach calling runs up the middle like we are the 1960 Packers.

Just wanted to say WE DO NOT NEED THIS.

Make it stop Fran or get to skipping.

If he can sell playing time, and we suffer through 4-8 next year for 8-4 after that & real promise of 10 wins in year 3, fine. But, we've been at this for 25ish years.

DG sucks.

If Frans recruits majority dip into the 2-star range, it's over, because he is not coaching them up.

3 years or pitchforks.

7 games and already 2 WTH losses


Happy you’re not the AD. You want to change the paradigm? Do your part to help change it.
 
Whenever a defensive player drops an interception, fans always cynically say "well that's why they play defense."

For some reason I decided to rewatch the lowlights from last night, and the attempts by our players to tackle during those pick sixes may be the most pathetic thing I've ever seen, especially the second one.

"well that's why they play offense"
 
What does this even mean?

Assume you are bloviating about donating money to the program?
It’s the way the game is played these days.

Btw, great word. I’d say I was quite concise though.
 
Curt Cignetti figured it out first time coaching at the P4 level. Very easy for programs to turn it around in a year. That was Fran’s selling point as well.

With Marlowe and Barnes back our defense looked good. No OL and running game is our problem. Other than ST’s which is atrocious and if there is a worst group in the country i’d hate to see them.
Cignetti may be coaching for the first time in the P4 but he is not a first time head coach, the guy has a .780 career winning percentage over about a dozen years and having that many years as the head guy means a much smoother transition to P4 than a guy who has never even been a coordinator. You are one of the most clearheaded posters on here(a low bar I know), but I think you are exaggerating the overall talent level of this team in crucial areas and underrating the learning curve of a first time head coach. I do agree that the defense certainly looked good last night which gives me hope the rest of the way. But, the OL needs to get it together and just be competent. Va Tech has a monster of a pass rusher so we gotta figure that out fast
 
It’s the way the game is played these days.

Btw, great word. I’d say I was quite concise though.
I have kids to put through college first. I'm not a big fish like some out there. Wish I could, for sure. A buddy of mine is a medium fish in the area and gives. Interesting to hear info from him on the process.

I updated my phrasing
 
Curt Cignetti figured it out first time coaching at the P4 level. Very easy for programs to turn it around in a year. That was Fran’s selling point as well.

With Marlowe and Barnes back our defense looked good. No OL and running game is our problem. Other than ST’s which is atrocious and if there is a worst group in the country i’d hate to see them.
I think the Cignetti example is unique. He brought in 12 transfers from his old school, James Madison, including starters at : WR, TE, RB, DE, NT, MLB, WLB, LCB. Plus, he picked up a good transfer QB from Ohio and a 5th year OL from Wisconsin, one of the best OL schools. Maybe taking the key players from your old team the new way in college football, but Brown didn't have that luxury.

I thought year 1 was going to be challenging as Brown was brought in with no HC experience, but he was a good recruiter. And, it's hard to assemble a good coaching staff in your first HC job as he is learning where the holes are in his staff.

This is a rebuild and Brown was brought in to restock the roster with better players, but he needs to find assistant coaches that can scheme and develop players.
 
Whenever a defensive player drops an interception, fans always cynically say "well that's why they play defense."

For some reason I decided to rewatch the lowlights from last night, and the attempts by our players to tackle during those pick sixes may be the most pathetic thing I've ever seen, especially the second one.

"well that's why they play offense"
Our defense can’t even wrap still at times let alone the offense
 
If we can only expect an 8-4 season with the most talented roster we’ve had in decades, led by a top 5 QB in the country heading into this game then there are problems.

McCord was the 8th best QB prospect for the 2025 NFL draft on CBS Sports (I say was because he may drop after this weekends games). The guys ahead of him are Ward (Miami), Sanders(CO), Ewers(TX), Beck (GA), Milroe (AL), Nussmeier (LSU), Allar (PSU). Which of those guys would you place behind McCord to get him into top 5? Arguably there are other guys who should be ahead of McCord, but this list is adequate to get a feel for his actual placement- I cannot see any way a person can reasonably call McCord a top 5 college QB. (Don’t argue 8th is kinda close to 5th - the drop off on that list is huge. The top 5 are all top 30 overall, so they project to be 1st rounders. McCord is #82 which puts him mid-to-late 3rd round. That is a GINORMOUS gap).

I suspect your assessment of this being the most talented roster in decades is going to be equally hard to justify objectively.
 
McCord was the 8th best QB prospect for the 2025 NFL draft on CBS Sports (I say was because he may drop after this weekends games). The guys ahead of him are Ward (Miami), Sanders(CO), Ewers(TX), Beck (GA), Milroe (AL), Nussmeier (LSU), Allar (PSU). Which of those guys would you place behind McCord to get him into top 5? Arguably there are other guys who should be ahead of McCord, but this list is adequate to get a feel for his actual placement- I cannot see any way a person can reasonably call McCord a top 5 college QB. (Don’t argue 8th is kinda close to 5th - the drop off on that list is huge. The top 5 are all top 30 overall, so they project to be 1st rounders. McCord is #82 which puts him mid-to-late 3rd round. That is a GINORMOUS gap).

I suspect your assessment of this being the most talented roster in decades is going to be equally hard to justify objectively.
I’m not judging him as a nfl projection, i’m judging him by his production this season and i’ll die on that hill that he was producing as a top 5 QB coming into the Pitt game. Beck, Millroe, Nussmeier, Ewers, Allar. He was having better seasons than all of them.

Again, production wise we were the only team with 3 WR’s averaging more than 70 yards per game. We also had a very good leader RB in Lequint. Based on that information coming into the game you never would have thought it was the defense that played outstanding after getting Wax and Barnes back and it was the offense that cost them the game.
 
I am not shocked by what happened at Pitt but I remain absolutely shocked. Does anyone else understand this contradiction? It’s crazy.
 
I forgot, how many 1st or 2nd round draft picks have precious teams had? This team will produce more than any prior. Indiana is having no problem in year 1 of their portal mashed team. Can name several others as well.

The next team we have that is more talented and has the matching advantageous schedule to boot, wake me up.

I don’t pay attention to Indiana but it seems their OLine is pretty good. 7 sacks and 200ypg on the ground. That makes everything go round.

I think they brought in 32 transfers last year. This article says 30 and then they added a few more.

 
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I don’t pay attention to Indiana but it seems their OLine is pretty good. That makes everything go round.

I think they brought in 32 transfers last year. This article says 30 and then they added a few more.

I watched the entire game last week vs Tony White’s defense at Nebraska and i was shocked how good they looked. Even after Rourke went out at half it was total domination at every aspect of the game. I think there were 11 JMU transfers, Rourke from Ohio, and he also brought in all transfers that produced at either the G5 level, of FCS. He targeted kids that were captains, had huge numbers on offense or defense for their prior program, and i believe a few P4 transfers, but mostly guys who excelled at lower thought of schools. Also, their defense was as good as their offense.
 

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