This was the reality check we did not want or need

[Millhouse]

Funny, as I was leaving work an hour ago a guy on day shift said "what happened to your quarterback?".

I guess he remembered something.

Big deal. A day and a half later sometime makes conversation with you. You know that's not what I'm talking about

Die-hards here forget Drew Allen even played here much less his 4 int game

 

[Cusefan95]

I’m not judging him as a nfl projection, i’m judging him by his production this season and i’ll die on that hill that he was producing as a top 5 QB coming into the Pitt game. Beck, Millroe, Nussmeier, Ewers, Allar. He was having better seasons than all of them.

Again, production wise we were the only team with 3 WR’s averaging more than 70 yards per game. We also had a very good leader RB in Lequint. Based on that information coming into the game you never would have thought it was the defense that played outstanding after getting Wax and Barnes back and it was the offense that cost them the game.

Yeah…no. You’re watching him with your heart, there is absolutely no way a sane person would conclude his performance has been top 5 prior to Thursday. As Milly noted, his efficiency stats make it questionable he’s top 25 in QB performance - going on actual on field performance vs NFL projections makes your argument worse. Unless you cherry pick irrelevant stats, which appears to be your preferred approach.

If you want to die on that hill that McCord is top 5, go ahead - all that’s going to happen is you’ll end up dead. Or, realistically - very frustrated at Syracuse’s on field performance because you massively overestimate our talent level relative to competition.

 

[swish7]

Big deal. A day and a half later sometime makes conversation with you. You know that's not what I'm talking about

Die-hards here forget Drew Allen even played here much less his 4 int game

I remember Dave Siock & Billy Celuck & Idris Price & Winfred Walton, but not Drew Allen. Wild.

The comment that he was 6'6" & couldn't throw over the line without the ball being tipped did rattle my cobwebs a bit though.

 

[BomberOrange]

Funny, as I was leaving work an hour ago a guy on day shift said "what happened to your quarterback?".

I guess he remembered something.

Kyle and SU took a hit nationally last night, no question. But at the same time I was dumbfounded yesterday at work. On Fridays we are allowed to wear SU gear when there is a game that weekend. I couldn’t believe the amount of people who wore SU stuff yesterday, having no clue they played the night before. This is in Syracuse.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Yep.
Culture.
There were dudes on our D doing little hand gestures and symbols after making basic tackles. Down 32.

wow, I did not watch on TV, listened to radio broadcast, and it wasn't mentioned on the radio. That shows something about the culture and discipline and it's not good. Brown said after the 0-45 bowl loss that the team should remember how that loss felt to not let it happen again. The memory was short because they let it happen 7 games in.

 

[PhatOrange]

wow, I did not watch on TV, listened to radio broadcast, and it wasn't mentioned on the radio. That shows something about the culture and discipline and it's not good. Brown said after the 0-45 bowl loss that the team should remember how that loss felt to not let it happen again. The memory was short because they let it happen 7 games in.

Yeah I think one of the DB’s flexed after making a tackle and we’re down by like four touchdowns. It’s so stupid.

As a coach, I would put an end to that, but this has nothing to do with Fran. I see it all over college football, Nebraska guys were flexing last weekend.

 

[Cusefan95]

I’m not judging him as a nfl projection, i’m judging him by his production this season and i’ll die on that hill that he was producing as a top 5 QB coming into the Pitt game. Beck, Millroe, Nussmeier, Ewers, Allar. He was having better seasons than all of them.

Again, production wise we were the only team with 3 WR’s averaging more than 70 yards per game. We also had a very good leader RB in Lequint. Based on that information coming into the game you never would have thought it was the defense that played outstanding after getting Wax and Barnes back and it was the offense that cost them the game.

Just as more evidence against McCord as a top 5 QB, their QBRs coming into this weekend:
Allar 86.8
Nussmeier 82.7
Milroe 80.7
Beck 76.9
Ewer. 68.0
McCord 67.8

Plus McCord is #47 on the list overall. He’s not anywhere close to a top 5 QB, and you’re not assessing objectively if you think he’s a better college QB than anyone on that list (other than maybe Ewers).

I like McCord, he’s a huge upgrade over what we’ve generally had over the last decade - but if we’re honest about it, he’d be a huge disappointment if he followed McNabb 25 years ago. The drop off between those two in college performance is enormous. All I’m looking for this year is a good enough year that whatever money we can offer desired recruits is attractive, and we can keep improving our overall talent. 7-5 is iffy for that, 8-4 is adequate - anything more is free money. But that expectation is because I’m not wildly inflating our current talent level or where our QB ranks compared to the rest of the field; when you have middle of the pack talent and a marginal NFL prospect at QB, nights like Thursday are a distinct possibility. All that matters now is recovering from it and -hopefully - getting to 8-4.

 

[cusefan88]

Cignetti has been a successful HC for more than a decade I don't think there's any comparison to be made between him and Fran Brown.

 

[anomander]

Yeah…no. You’re watching him with your heart, there is absolutely no way a sane person would conclude his performance has been top 5 prior to Thursday. As Milly noted, his efficiency stats make it questionable he’s top 25 in QB performance - going on actual on field performance vs NFL projections makes your argument worse. Unless you cherry pick irrelevant stats, which appears to be your preferred approach.

If you want to die on that hill that McCord is top 5, go ahead - all that’s going to happen is you’ll end up dead. Or, realistically - very frustrated at Syracuse’s on field performance because you massively overestimate our talent level relative to competition.

It’s not my opinion. There are countless CFB fan accounts on social media. A bunch of them with tens of thousands of followers not only had McCord as a top 5 QB going into Pitt, but #5 in the Heisman. Why wouldn’t they? He was going back and forth for contention in leading the nation in passing yards a game and had Syracuse at 5-1. He was also the #1 rated PFF QB coming into this week. The numbers were there. This isn’t me making things up out of thin air.

 

[anomander]

Just as more evidence against McCord as a top 5 QB, their QBRs coming into this weekend:
Allar 86.8
Nussmeier 82.7
Milroe 80.7
Beck 76.9
Ewer. 68.0
McCord 67.8

Plus McCord is #47 on the list overall. He’s not anywhere close to a top 5 QB, and you’re not assessing objectively if you think he’s a better college QB than anyone on that list (other than maybe Ewers).

I like McCord, he’s a huge upgrade over what we’ve generally had over the last decade - but if we’re honest about it, he’d be a huge disappointment if he followed McNabb 25 years ago. The drop off between those two in college performance is enormous. All I’m looking for this year is a good enough year that whatever money we can offer desired recruits is attractive, and we can keep improving our overall talent. 7-5 is iffy for that, 8-4 is adequate - anything more is free money. But that expectation is because I’m not wildly inflating our current talent level or where our QB ranks compared to the rest of the field; when you have middle of the pack talent and a marginal NFL prospect at QB, nights like Thursday are a distinct possibility. All that matters now is recovering from it and -hopefully - getting to 8-4.

From watching CFB this McCord was having a better season than Millroe, Beck, Ewer (who missed 2 games and was benched in another), and can argue Allar. Have you watched Millroe struggle terribly in 2 losses and a 13-12 win vs Kentucky? I watched he was awful. Bama fans would agree. Same with Beck. You might want to watch some football other than Syracuse.