Time to recalibrate.

[GoSU96]

W/L

Robinson

Overall 10-37
BCS 5-35
Non-BCS 5-2

30 of 40 BCS games ended in a loss of 10pts or more, 20 of those were 20 or more, 7 by 30 or more.

Marrone
Overall 17-20
BCS 9-20
Non-BCS 8-0

14 of 29 BCS games were double digit losses, 9 by 20 or more, 1 by 30 or more.

Marrone has improved the performance of the team in every category from when he picked up the program.

In 2008 in every category other than rushing offense (55), sacks allowed (98), and pass defense (83rd) the team finished ranked 100th or less in the country. That shows the condition of the program when he took over. It was cratered.

The team is more competitive, it has improved and continues to do so. There is still more to do.

Talking about hotseats given the starting point and obvious improvement is stupid.

 

[kingottoiii]

The issue that you ALWAYS fail to address is GRob's ineptness cost us several Ws a year. Marrone in reality doesn't have us any higher than we would be had GRob been semi competent. The fact that Marrone has been better than GRob is useless.

This year will tell us all we need to know about Marrone. If the team improves play, he will stay. If the team is still stuck going nowhere, he should go but likely will stay. If the team continues the spiral that was the 2nd half of last year, he will go. Also this year will tell us all we need to know about his recruiting ability as his kids should dominate PT.

IMO right now Marrone seems lost. I think he can still find his way but it is unlikely. Time for blind faith (which is all he really ever has had) is over. He needs to produce.

 

[jr4750]

The issue that you ALWAYS fail to address is GRob's ineptness cost us several Ws a year. Marrone in reality doesn't have us any higher than we would be had GRob been semi competent. The fact that Marrone has been better than GRob is useless.

This year will tell us all we need to know about Marrone. If the team improves play, he will stay. If the team is still stuck going nowhere, he should go but likely will stay. If the team continues the spiral that was the 2nd half of last year, he will go. Also this year will tell us all we need to know about his recruiting ability as his kids should dominate PT.

IMO right now Marrone seems lost. I think he can still find his way but it is unlikely. Time for blind faith (which is all he really ever has had) is over. He needs to produce.

I respectfully disagree with this statement, but agree with the following about him winning now. I think during that 5 game losing streak, we were overmatched in a couple games, and played poorly in the others. Before that we were 5-2. I don't think you can say he is lost having gone to a bowl game and then starting out 5-2, only to have a bad stretch. Hopefully, the mistakes that were made, have been fully analyzed and will be addressed and overcome as best as possible this year. I think you have to give him this year before you can think he is a lost man. I do believe he needs to win this year. Not so much against the Mizzou's and USC's, but definitely against the RU and UCONN's. Let's see what happens then...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You know what, GO? You're right. You've finally convinced me.

I haven't been giving Marrone nearly the credit I should for being better than arguably the worst coach in BCS football history.

 

[kingottoiii]

It worries me that he doesn't seem to have a plan, is constantly changing things, and seems to have no real direction. I think he can pull it together but there are a lot of red flags showing right now.

IMO if we have a hard fought 5-7 with the young kids showing signs for the future, then we should extend Marrone at least 2 years. I don't think that is asking much. We will see if he can pull it off.

 

[Marsh01]

You really cant compare Captain Kangaroo to any coach...well maybe other than Rich Kotite.

 

[Marsh01]

It worries me that he doesn't seem to have a plan, is constantly changing things, and seems to have no real direction. I think he can pull it together but there are a lot of red flags showing right now.

IMO if we have a hard fought 5-7 with the young kids showing signs for the future, then we should extend Marrone at least 2 years. I don't think that is asking much. We will see if he can pull it off.

He just needs to loosen up and just coach football. Stop with the trying to mold kids off the field. Stop with the teaching them what fork to use when you attend a dinner. Loosen up and coach football. He coaches like he is walking on eggshells. It's ok to show emotion when you coach.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think under nornmal circumstances there would be much more heat on the 4th year, given the schedule it could be a tough year but who knows? Looking for improvement and hopefully a bowl, not sure we can get there but Marrone has definitely improved the overall product and he isn't on any type of hot seat... He has a minimum of two years probably will get more with 5 wins this year.

I think with Rutgers, UCONN, limited finances and the continued emphasis on spending and the facilities race, that Syracuse may really never be back where there were 15-20 years ago. Who knows? However, if Marrone doesn't get it done in the next few years, will Syracuse really go out and spend money on a coach? I don't know and this is why Marrone will be given every opportunity and 5 years at an absolute minimum. I think we have had a rebirth of people who don't know the total picture when it comes to the limitations that a coach at Syracuse deals with. You want better recruits, you need better facilities as I have said, I have worked at d3 schools with better facilities than what Syracuse had at times.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

i think that is what he is doing now...saying it, I will do this my way. Hence the closed practices etc... Seems to me he has a quiet confidence about this team, just a hunch really, but I really think this team can win 6-7 games this year. There are only 2 games we will be big underdogs in...other then that who knows to be honest. The big east is a mess and doug will savor all these road games (controlled environment).

 

[Millhouse]

It worries me that he doesn't seem to have a plan, is constantly changing things, and seems to have no real direction. I think he can pull it together but there are a lot of red flags showing right now. .

that's a whole lot of vagueness in 2 sentences.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The record is obviously better then what we had under Grob and no one wants to go back to that. However, there are still a lot question marks out there that Marrone needs to answer Can we go back on the road and win this year after last years debacle? Will Marrone's skill position guys finally start to take a prominent role and actually produce? Can we get back to a bowl? Can we get any sort of deep vertical passing attack? Can we finally beat Pitt or Uconn? Can we actually soundly beat a 1AA team and not have the game be in question into the fourth quarter or god forbid be up 2-3 td's at half?

 

[rosconey]

A DEAD RAT DECOMPOSING FOR 6 MONTHS COULD WIN MORE THAN THE GREAT GURU-it doesnt take a great man to out coach him
yes marrone has won more games-but 90% have been ooc mac type teams-his bcs record is kinda crappy and his big east record is abysmal

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The record is obviously better then what we had under Grob and no one wants to go back to that. However, there are still a lot question marks out there that Marrone needs to answer Can we go back on the road and win this year after last years debacle? Will Marrone's skill position guys finally start to take a prominent role and actually produce? Can we get back to a bowl? Can we get any sort of deep vertical passing attack? Can we finally beat Pitt or Uconn? Can we actually soundly beat a 1AA team and not have the game be in question into the fourth quarter or god forbid be up 2-3 td's at half?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, JeremyCuse!

This was a post for recalibrating! What do you think you're doing?

Marrone doesn't have to answer any questions for anyone. What everyone needs to do is defer to Marrone, because he's better than Robinson, and if fans would just suck it up and accept that we could maintain our low expectations in peace.

 

[kingottoiii]

IMO GRob cost SU about 2 Ws a year. So a mediocre HC would have gone 17-29 over those 4 years vs 1A competition. Marrone is currently 12-20 vs regular season 1A competition with 11 more games to come this year. So if he were to go 4-7 in those games he would be 16-27. That is a whopping difference of a .0025 winning %. And I think all of us would sign right now for a 5-7 season.

 

[rrlbees]

Keep on setting that bar low. Year 4 and we still make comparisons to GRob.

PS: For the 99th time, it wasn't cratered. If it was Marrone doesn't go 8-5 in year 2.

 

[GoSU96]

The issue that you ALWAYS fail to address is GRob's ineptness cost us several Ws a year. Marrone in reality doesn't have us any higher than we would be had GRob been semi competent. The fact that Marrone has been better than GRob is useless.

This year will tell us all we need to know about Marrone. If the team improves play, he will stay. If the team is still stuck going nowhere, he should go but likely will stay. If the team continues the spiral that was the 2nd half of last year, he will go. Also this year will tell us all we need to know about his recruiting ability as his kids should dominate PT.

IMO right now Marrone seems lost. I think he can still find his way but it is unlikely. Time for blind faith (which is all he really ever has had) is over. He needs to produce.

You are kidding right?

Cost "several W's a year"? What team were you watching? Did you even look at the numbers. If you count the Akron loss 21 of 47 games were lost by 20 or more points. That's not ineptness that is across the board uncompetitiveness. It wasn't Robinson costing a couple of games with some bad decisions. There wasn't one phase of the game in which they were competent.

That's the team Marrone took over. If you don't think they have progressed you're blind.

 

[kingottoiii]

You are kidding right?

Cost "several W's a year"? What team were you watching? Did you even look at the numbers. If you count the Akron loss 21 of 47 games were lost by 20 or more points. That's not ineptness that is across the board uncompetitiveness. It wasn't Robinson costing a couple of games with some bad decisions. There wasn't one phase of the game in which they were competent.

That's the team Marrone took over. If you don't think they have progressed you're blind.

The reason those games were not close had more to do with GRob than the players IMO. If it was just the players (whom Coach P left) then why was GRob fired? He left Marrone with talent. Look at the ABE squads and guys who made NFL squads. So if the coaching had nothing to do with it, then it was Coach P's recruiting that made our record that bad. And GRob deserved more time. Marrone's "success" is a product of GRob's recruiting in that case as well. You cannot have it both ways.

 

[GoSU96]

Keep on setting that bar low. Year 4 and we still make comparisons to GRob.

PS: For the 99th time, it wasn't cratered. If it was Marrone doesn't go 8-5 in year 2.

How can you say that? The record says it. The statisical performance says it. Rushing Offense - 55th, Passing Offense 113th, Passing Efficiency 113th, Total Offense 114th, Scoring Offense 108th, Sacks Allowed 98th, Rushing Defense 101st, Pass Defense 83rd, Pass . Defense 101st, Total Defense 101st, Scoring Defense 101st, Sacks 100th, Tackles for Loss, 104th.

By any definition, that is cratered.

 

[rosconey]

How can you say that? The record says it. The statisical performance says it. Rushing Offense - 55th, Passing Offense 113th, Passing Efficiency 113th, Total Offense 114th, Scoring Offense 108th, Sacks Allowed 98th, Rushing Defense 101st, Pass Defense 83rd, Pass . Defense 101st, Total Defense 101st, Scoring Defense 101st, Sacks 100th, Tackles for Loss, 104th.

By any definition, that is cratered.

are those last seasons stats?

 

[GoSU96]

The reason those games were not close had more to do with GRob than the players IMO. If it was just the players (whom Coach P left) then why was GRob fired? He left Marrone with talent. Look at the ABE squads and guys who made NFL squads. So if the coaching had nothing to do with it, then it was Coach P's recruiting that made our record that bad. And GRob deserved more time. Marrone's "success" is a product of GRob's recruiting in that case as well. You cannot have it both ways.

Uh, Marrone didn't take over the program in 2005, did he?

Who in the world says it was just the players or just the coach. You are the one who claims "ineptness" cost a couple of W's. How the #ck does game day ineptness equate to 20 point plus losses?

If by ineptness you mean how he ran the program 365 there's nothing to dispute, but that is about the quality of the program as a whole, not decisions that may or may not win close games. That has to do with recruiting, player evaluation and development, coaching hires, practice, basic program management as well as game day.

The program that Robinson left was a shell of what Robinson took over. He took a situation that needed improvement and updating and drove it into the ground.

His first year Robinson was here, 9 Pasqualoni kids got contracts, the same the following year, the year after that 4 P recruits and one Robinson, then 4 P recruitst.

Marrone's first year 1 Pasqualoni and 1 Robinson recruits got contracts and last season 1 P recruit and 5 Robinson guys got contracts.

So lets compare, the state the program was left in. In Robinson's first two years 18 kids got NFL contracts, either drafted or FA. In Marrone's first two years 8 kids did, and two of them were recruited into the program by Pasqualoni.

Of this years draft prospects out of the four kids who are likely to get a contract 2 are Marrone recruits.

What Marrone inherited vs what Robinson did isn't even close.

 

[GoSU96]

You know what, GO? You're right. You've finally convinced me.

I haven't been giving Marrone nearly the credit I should for being better than arguably the worst coach in BCS football history.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Michigan sure looked a lot better the next year without Robinson, most of those guys were there the year before. Everyone can agree that Robinson is not a very good coach right? Texas defense had some of the best athletes in the county and was not that good. Can we please close the book on Robinson. Marrone will write his own history in the next two seasons. The schedule next year isn't really that bad next year. There are two very difficult games and the rest are all winnable. In 1997 SU played at Virginia Tech, at Miami, at Oklahoma, and played Wisconsin, that was a tough schedule. If we want a better program lets go out and play some people. Robinson sucked, Marrone is better, the next two years will tell how much better.

 

[orange03]

Go is right, everything is peaches.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Uh, Marrone didn't take over the program in 2005, did he?

Who in the world says it was just the players or just the coach. You are the one who claims "ineptness" cost a couple of W's. How the #ck does game day ineptness equate to 20 point plus losses?

If by ineptness you mean how he ran the program 365 there's nothing to dispute, but that is about the quality of the program as a whole, not decisions that may or may not win close games. That has to do with recruiting, player evaluation and development, coaching hires, practice, basic program management as well as game day.

The program that Robinson left was a shell of what Robinson took over. He took a situation that needed improvement and updating and drove it into the ground.

His first year Robinson was here, 9 Pasqualoni kids got contracts, the same the following year, the year after that 4 P recruits and one Robinson, then 4 P recruitst.

Marrone's first year 1 Pasqualoni and 1 Robinson recruits got contracts and last season 1 P recruit and 5 Robinson guys got contracts.

So lets compare, the state the program was left in. In Robinson's first two years 18 kids got NFL contracts, either drafted or FA. In Marrone's first two years 8 kids did, and two of them were recruited into the program by Pasqualoni.

Of this years draft prospects out of the four kids who are likely to get a contract 2 are Marrone recruits.

What Marrone inherited vs what Robinson did isn't even close.

The overall talent between the two teams was very close in fact from a skill position standpoint Marrone inherited much more then Robinson did. Coach P's last two classes were awful, if you want to tell me the seniors Robinson got were better then I agree but after that your argument falls apart.

 

[Ozcuse]

OttoinGrotto said: ↑

You know what, GO? You're right. You've finally convinced me.

I haven't been giving Marrone nearly the credit I should for being better than arguably the worst coach in BCS football history.​

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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