Tired of All the Red Bashing...

[Cusefan0307]

It’s 2024. This is pathetic.

 

[OttoMets]

How much a poster on this board appreciated Maliq Brown is a litmus test for how much people know about what wins/loses basketball games. That's an east coast liberal elite stance, I understand it. But Brown is a player who's value extended far beyond his numbers or the number of sports center top 10 dunks he had. For most fans, an appreciation on this level is elusive. It's much easier to love Bell's three-point shooting (at least it was last year) or, in past years, Devendof's swag and scoring than it is to love Josh Pace's versatility and unselfishness or Andy Rautins' ability to push offenses away from the basket at the top of the 2-3. It's basketball snobby, I get it. But it's also true.

Nice. I'll add "was James Southerland a good defender?" question to the list of litmus tests.

 

[PoppyHart]

No need to wonder -- I was arguing this all year last year. The criticisms of Mintz were warranted in many key ways but got so out of control that they lost sight of the fact that he was a really talented basketball player. He spend the first half of the year playing largely with a lineup that included McLeod, Taylor, a struggling JJ and a standstill shooter (albeit a very good one) in Bell. He was creating about 80% of that group's offense.

The way I viewed was we were good enough to win games with Mintz, but he was such a wildcard and reckless (dumb?) player that he could not be trusted to get us where we needed to be. His BB IQ put a ceiling on the team imo.
That ceiling is higher than that of the current roster, but I’m not sure either option is very enticing.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It’s 2024. This is pathetic.

Since we can't make them, I guess it's a good thing we attempt as few as possible.

 

[OptimusOtto]

What's concerning is not seeing the vision come into fruition. Red as a "family hire" fair or not has to answer for the sins of the father. Since he took the reigns he always talks about the Orange Standard and that's what we're holding him to. The Orange Standard is not hanging our hats on moral victories when we lose a close game to an average team.

Yes we have a great recruiting class coming in but nothing we've seen inspires confidence that it's going to save us. It's not like we're rolling out this product that we can all point to and say once we get talent in we'll take off.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Then

I’m more tired of being completely irrelevant.

you should work at improving yourself to be more revelant.

 

[billsin01]

Despite the "20 Wins", the fact he played Taylor as much as he did was something to bring up as a negative for sure.

Taylor currently averages 10 mins a game, 1.7 pts, 1.7 rbs for James Madison

Yeah. Yet to hit double-figures this year. Even his per 40 stats are down. Not sure if he was dealing with an injury because he did play more the first five games but it’s been brutal so far, unfortunately.

 

[billsin01]

The way I viewed was we were good enough to win games with Mintz, but he was such a wildcard and reckless (dumb?) player that he could not be trusted to get us where we needed to be. His BB IQ put a ceiling on the team imo.
That ceiling is higher than that of the current roster, but I’m not sure either option is very enticing.

What's hard to know is what it might have looked like if he had ever been on the floor with good talent around him. I mean, last year when JJ broke out, McLeod got injured and wasn't an option, and Taylor got fewer minutes, we started rolling offensively. Mintz's assist numbers went up and his over-dribbling became far less pronounced. I tend to think he had a lot of potential, but I suppose we'll never know on that piece.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

It’s 2024. This is pathetic.

Yeah but did you know that Starling got injured?

 

[two3zone]

Now the decision to start JT over Brown (early in season) and over Quadir (after Brown started at center) seems screwed up.

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What he fails to realize is that if you have a Waiters or Joseph as your sixth man, the 1-5 guys better be good enough to justify sitting them.

Kinda nuts Maliq didn't start last year in the beginning of the season. I'm sure there are topics about it.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I'm not sure who could possibly be blamed for the portal selections other than Red. It's not just talent; it's also roster construction. This staff selected a handful of players that can't defend and then seems surprised the defense is this bad. I also can't grasp an offensive or defensive plan at this point.

its the coach's job to construct a roster...by any means necessary.

so if the roster sucks or is imbalanced or has gaping holes...only blame for that should go to the coach.

only 2 rosters red has put together thus far have been poorly designed with major deficiencies and imbalances...

is it hard to make a good roster? yeah sure.

but 1...thats why the HC gets paid a gazillon dollars..and, more importantly, 2, PLENTY of other coaches manage to get it done (many at schools without a sliver of the SU legacy/brand)

does anyone truly beleieve that there arent coaches out there walking around...who could have had this team in the tourney last year...and this one??


like for real?

 

[CardiacCuse]

What he fails to realize is that if you have a Waiters or Joseph as your sixth man, the 1-5 guys better be good enough to justify sitting them.

Kinda nuts Maliq didn't start last year in the beginning of the season. I'm sure there are topics about it.

when any team has a center AND a PF that offer nothing on the offensive end...the other 3 better be ELITE SCORERS...

 

[gmoney44]

Also can we stop with this 20-win BS !! 20 wins is now an arbitrary number which means very little. In the previous no-data era 20 wins almost guaranteed you a spot in the tournament and now it doesnt. All that matters is if your team makes the tournaments saying a coach or team won 20 games as it is some sort of measure of success is such an out dated way of thinking.

Exactly. 20 wins didn’t get us in the bubble conversation last year. We sucked and everyone knew it regardless of 20 wins.

 

[JDubbin]

I’m asking this honestly with no snark, what categories of basketball does it seem like Syracuse is well coached in?

Offense? - We’re the worst 3 point shooting team in basically all of division 1. But, it’s not like we’re getting back door layups & easy opportunities at the cost of 3 point attempts. Every. Single. Basket. Is an grindfest - highly contested back down, mid range jumpers. When we attack off the dribble at poor angles & those shots are contested at the rim as well. We don’t run - At all. What is our identity on offense?

Defense? - It speaks for itself. Teams get what they want on us. We don’t have better than average size, athleticism, quickness, rotations, IQ, etc. Pack line defense is an identify - we have none. There’s no defensive cohesion or chemistry, there’s literally nothing that we do on defense well.

Misc.? - Culture? Grit? Player evaluation? Determination? Hustle? Coming together in adversity? Skill/player development? Situational basketball? Inbound plays?

What is ONE thing we can claim that Syracuse basketball is WELL coached in? I like Red, I have nothing against him. I want Syracuse to succeed with every fiber of my being. But there isn’t anything we’re well coached in. That’s why, as I stated a few days ago, I don’t think next years recruiting class changes anything… yes, talent matters, but I see nothing that gives me confidence from a coaching standpoint that will change.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Also can we stop with this 20-win BS !! 20 wins is now an arbitrary number which means very little. In the previous no-data era 20 wins almost guaranteed you a spot in the tournament and now it doesnt. All that matters is if your team makes the tournaments saying a coach or team won 20 games as it is some sort of measure of success is such an out dated way of thinking.

Teams play more games than they did 20 years ago. The 2003 title team had a regular season record of 23-4.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think we can safely look back and give this one to Townie.

Give JB one more year.

Four more years of JB are assured. Then he names his successor. Wildhack acquiesces. Given the likely decline of the program after JB, Wildhack isn’t going to grab the controls and start making high-risk decisions. You have no clue about John Wildhack. He acquiesces? LOL no way. If you think...

syracusefan.com

Speaking of that legend, have not seen him for years. Hope all is okay.

 

[Sbucketball]

I’m asking this honestly with no snark, what categories of basketball does it seem like Syracuse is well coached in?

Offense? - We’re the worst 3 point shooting team in basically all of division 1. But, it’s not like we’re getting back door layups & easy opportunities at the cost of 3 point attempts. Every. Single. Basket. Is an grindfest - highly contested back down, mid range jumpers. When we attack off the dribble at poor angles & those shots are contested at the rim as well. We don’t run - At all. What is our identity on offense?

Defense? - It speaks for itself. Teams get what they want on us. We don’t have better than average size, athleticism, quickness, rotations, IQ, etc. Pack line defense is an identify - we have none. There’s no defensive cohesion or chemistry, there’s literally nothing that we do on defense well.

Misc.? - Culture? Grit? Player evaluation? Determination? Hustle? Coming together in adversity? Skill/player development? Situational basketball? Inbound plays?

What is ONE thing we can claim that Syracuse basketball is WELL coached in? I like Red, I have nothing against him. I want Syracuse to succeed with every fiber of my being. But there isn’t anything we’re well coached in. That’s why, as I stated a few days ago, I don’t think next years recruiting class changes anything… yes, talent matters, but I see nothing that gives me confidence from a coaching standpoint that will change.

Next year’s recruiting class would come off the bench if they were here now. Great class and I’m thrilled to have them, but anyone who thinks they’ll save the day will be very disappointed.

 

[realorange]

That is one thing that really isn't true. Brown did not want to play the 5. He thought he would play the 4 at Duke. He was wrong and is playing small ball 5. Red deserves his share of critique. But not in this case.

And in Brown's case at Duke, he is playing center with 4 guys who are far better players than he would have had here.

 

[Scooch]

All of this "woe is us" stuff about NIL and talent was precisely what was being said about the football program. We'll never be good. Better just accept that 7 wins is as good as we can do. Northeast. Weather. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Then we hired a guy who had a clearly defined plan. Brought in a staff purpose-built to execute on that plan. And schmoozed the Money Men (and Women) to fund the plan.

I mean, there was no inherent reason why Syracuse was a top-tier college hoops program for 4+ decades. It was because of the work of James Arthur Boeheim. Without JAB we could easily have been Seton Hall.

Nearly ALL of this is on Autry. HE has to figure out how to fund NIL. HE has to get the right talent in the program. HE has to build a staff that develops players and implements the system he wants.

This is his job.

 

[dasher]

And in Brown's case at Duke, he is playing center with 4 guys who are far better players than he would have had here.

LOL The sky is blue. Goes without saying really. Wait! Are you saying Carlos couldn't start at Duke?

 

[realorange]

LOL The sky is blue. Goes without saying really. Wait! Are you saying Carlos couldn't start at Duke?

My point was simply that it's far more enjoyably for Brown to play center at Duke than he would have here.

If he stayed here, he would have gotten beaten up unmercifully at center trying to either score or give out assists, to say nothing about rebounds.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Teams play more games than they did 20 years ago. The 2003 title team had a regular season record of 23-4.

I agree with this, but it also isn’t a recent change. They went to 30 games in 2004 and 31 in 2006.

 

[AZOrange]

It’s 2024. This is pathetic.

Our fundamentals are terrible. Even when we make a play our guys are not ready to shoot. The decline in shooting over the last 10 years is directly coaching related.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Our fundamentals are terrible. Even when we make a play our guys are not ready to shoot. The decline in shooting over the last 10 years is directly coaching related.

I think a lot of guys practice trying to make difficult shots instead of shooting on balance and squaring up to the basket. Shot ready and feet ready are not our strengths.

 

[Cuseball]

I dont re-call anybody saying that we shouldn't bother with Lampkin when there was some question about his honoring the NIL agreement. Everybody was on board with making sure we wrapped him up. Is he this slow because he is hurting or because he is just this slow ?

Hindsight criticism is easy.

I admit to having wanted Lampkin, but I never preferred him to Brown.

A poster above said he had some alternate names to Lampkin and Carlos, but declined to name them. How about we get everything front and center if you want to pound on the Coach.

Why don’t you point to what exactly Autry has shown you he has done well. The only thing I can come up with after 40 games is high school recruiting.

Awful game manager. Really poor player development. Really poor use of the portal. Really poor team design. Two of our worst defensive teams ever. No offensive system. No defensive system. Not fundamentally sound or disciplined team play. Incapable of making in game adjustments .

Not good at all