Tired of All the Red Bashing...

[SimonSays]

You mean like when his own sons absolutely played hard as heck to try to get into the tournament? One punched his way out & the other went off for 35ish points?

I recall at least those two playing hard & being extremely high IQ players.

add to this - the guys red has “disliked” the most in his tenure was JG3 and Qua. I know people have their woes with joe but he played his ass off and was passionate. Q too.

 

[23Zone]

Every time I see a give him more time entry on this thread I get annoyed.. ... I am tired of us sucking!! That's what I am tired of

 

[jdubs30]

add to this - the guys red has “disliked” the most in his tenure was JG3 and Qua. I know people have their woes with joe but he played his ass off and was passionate. Q too.

Red didn’t like Joe ?

 

[Blanko97]

Red didn’t like Joe ?

I dont believe that for a second

 

[Orangefizz]

Just be happy with your memories. It's mean to expect Red to be good at his job. He waited a long time for the big chair and deserves 3+ years to put his stamp on the program that was handed to him without a real candidate search.

Imo Red gets three years to turn this ship around. Once the dome is empty or 10,000 less attendance than normal, the bean counters on the hill will see how much money they’re losing.

We need to cut bait quickly; there should be no Dino 8 year audition. If you think that’s mean, that’s OK. Syracuse hoops and FB are the front door of the university.

By the way I’m rooting for Red to succeed, but his lack of offensive and defensive schemes is worrisome.

There is a great coach just down the road in Matt Langel, who can coach circles around Red

 

[cardiac]

Red is the coach of the 2nd worst P4 defense. His defense looks hilariously disorganized and its even more evident in transition. Without Maliq covering up flaws, its looked even worse. I think next years roster is going to be very talented and win us lots of games but I do not have faith in Red elevating the talent.

He was an assistant for Seth Greenberg for only 1 year and the rest was under Boeheim who never ran man. So it makes complete sense why Red looks so lost on that end of the floor.

 

[Sherman20]

Red didn’t like Joe ?

This is not true.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think everybody would agree that he did somewhere between a solid to a very good job last season.

This season's roster is screwed up because we blew the portal. Was that Red's fault ? Can anybody point to some other players in the portal that we could have gotten with our available NIL $$$$ that are doing better ?

Carlos and Lampkin are disappointments compared to our expectations. Taylor is a total bust. Only Davis has shown value in terms of our portal grabs.

We didnt pay up for Leffew who we clearly wanted. We let Brown leave. Team would have been entirely different if we had spent competitively. Same happened the year before when we didnt pay up for Jesse. Is that cheapness on Red ? You think Red didnt see that Brown > Lampkin or Leffew > Carlos ???

This season's mess got compounded with the JJ injury.

So what can we lay on Red ?

In terms of player development - maybe a lack of improvement by Bell is on the Coach. On the plus side - very nice progressions from Freeman and JJ (before he was hurt). Moore is coming along nicely - my biggest gripe with Red is I think Moore should be seen more.

On the recruiting front - Red has been a huge upgrade from what we saw of the last ten or so Jimmy years. Five stars in consecutive classes plus 4 stars Kiyan and Moore. I have a good feeling about the Aussie kid, though it is obviously pre-mature to say he will be the PG answer. We are in the mix for others. I think we have clearly had A level recruiting the last two classes. Only issue will be can we keep these kids for more than one season ??

This team cant shoot. A game with zero threes made in this day and age ???? Poor to erratic FT %. Well, that is at least something that just continues our long tradition.

On D - thank goodness we are basically done with the dino-Zone. I see the D gradually improving, but how good can it get with an undersized PG and a slow center ?

Bottom line - you cant win without talent. We lack even mid-ACC pack level talent, especially without JJ.

Now, if somebody thinks they can hang the portal selections on Red, then criticism is fair. If not, give the man a chance to prove or not prove how good a coach he is when we have a level playing field in terms of talent on the Court.

Well, it's put up or shut time, these next few games.

We will be underdogs against Georgetown and Maryland, most likely.

We have to win at least one, and ideally both.

Of course we should beat Bucknell, who are 4-7.

Wake is 8-3, but has lost to anybody they played who's any good.

Similarly, Florida State is next, but they have lost to the good teams they've played.

Then, it's Georgia Tech and Boston College, both of whom are terrible.

We need to win 5 out of 7 of these games between now and January 7th. This is probably our easiest remaining stretch of the season.

 

[SimonSays]

I dont believe that for a second

red didn’t like the way he played. he told joe he would “share” minutes and could come off the bench possibly. aka go to the portal.

he liked him as a person, but he did not want joe apart of his new regime. don’t have to believe me but i know what i know.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Imo Red gets three years to turn this ship around. Once the dome is empty or 10,000 less attendance than normal, the bean counters on the hill will see how much money they’re losing.

aren’t we already there? Have we even had 10,000 actual butts in seats for any games yet?

 

[Dcuse]

red didn’t like the way he played. he told joe he would “share” minutes and could come off the bench possibly. aka go to the portal.

he liked him as a person, but he did not want joe apart of his new regime. don’t have to believe me but i know what i know.

I don't believe you. You didn't say Simon Says he didn't want Joe part of it.

 

[Blanko97]

red didn’t like the way he played. he told joe he would “share” minutes and could come off the bench possibly. aka go to the portal.

he liked him as a person, but he did not want joe apart of his new regime. don’t have to believe me but i know what i know.

not being a fit for a scheme is different than not liking someone, the comment made it sound like he didn't like Joe the individual. That i don't believe and im happy that isnt the case.

 

[Cuseball]

red didn’t like the way he played. he told joe he would “share” minutes and could come off the bench possibly. aka go to the portal.

he liked him as a person, but he did not want joe apart of his new regime. don’t have to believe me but i know what i know.

Probably true, Joe played too much defense and gave too much effort for Autry’s liking.

 

[Cappy3]

Probably true, Joe played too much defense and gave too much effort for Autry’s liking.

Joe? Defense? You must have seen a different guy than I did.

 

[Newhouser]

Joe? Defense? You must have seen a different guy than I did.

Clemson Joe would have been one of the best defenders on this team.

 

[Pdpay]

I would say that Joe had the last laugh. Joe went to Clemson and played in the NCAA tourney and went to the final 8( and beat Su twice), while Su and Autry sat home last March.

 

[MikeSU02]

Well, it's put up or shut time, these next few games.

We will be underdogs against Georgetown and Maryland, most likely.

We have to win at least one, and ideally both.

Of course we should beat Bucknell, who are 4-7.

Wake is 8-3, but has lost to anybody they played who's any good.

Similarly, Florida State is next, but they have lost to the good teams they've played.

Then, it's Georgia Tech and Boston College, both of whom are terrible.

We need to win 5 out of 7 of these games between now and January 7th. This is probably our easiest remaining stretch of the season.

Exactly this. Unfortunately, this is the part of the schedule where if there is a turnaround, it has to happen now and can't wait til JJ gets back.

NET of the teams we've played so far (note, we are 136 in NET), wins in bold:
LeMoyne: 326
Colgate: 264
Youngstown St: 230
Texas: 57
Texas Tech: 33
Cornell: 101
Tennessee: 2
Notre Dame: 100
Albany: 211

To your point, here are the upcoming games where it's the last stand for the season:
Georgetown: 96
Maryland: 13
Bucknell: 238
Wake Forest: 118
Florida St: 80
Georgia Tech: 173
Boston College: 206

I asked, before the Brooklyn games, if anyone would take an O/U of 2.5 games over the next five (we went 1-4)

If I gave you anyone an O/U of 4 wins in the next 7, how many people would take that?

To IthacaMatt 's point, we really need to go 5 of 7 just to have a pulse, but probably even 6-1 in reality. But the likelihood is we are probably going 3-4 or 4-3. If we do worse than 3-4... I'm very worried that Red will lose the locker room.

 

[Newhouser]

Exactly this. Unfortunately, this is the part of the schedule where if there is a turnaround, it has to happen now and can't wait til JJ gets back.

NET of the teams we've played so far (note, we are 136 in NET), wins in bold:
LeMoyne: 326
Colgate: 264
Youngstown St: 230
Texas: 57
Texas Tech: 33
Cornell: 101
Tennessee: 2
Notre Dame: 100
Albany: 211

To your point, here are the upcoming games where it's the last stand for the season:
Georgetown: 96
Maryland: 13
Bucknell: 238
Wake Forest: 118
Florida St: 80
Georgia Tech: 173
Boston College: 206

I asked, before the Brooklyn games, if anyone would take an O/U of 2.5 games over the next five (we went 1-4)

If I gave you anyone an O/U of 4 wins in the next 7, how many people would take that?

To IthacaMatt 's point, we really need to go 5 of 7 just to have a pulse, but probably even 6-1 in reality. But the likelihood is we are probably going 3-4 or 4-3. If we do worse than 3-4... I'm very worried that Red will lose the locker room.

I think we are not close to good..that said the same could be said for all these upcoming appointments.

 

[MikeSU02]

I think we are not close to good..that said the same could be said for all these upcoming appointments.

Agree. The only issue is all the games that are closer to 50/50, we will prob win some, lose some... and we basically need to sweep them.

 

[Newhouser]

Agree. The only issue is all the games that are closer to 50/50, we will prob win some, lose some... and we basically need to sweep them.

And if we do sweep, what one win would help our resume?

 

[Blanko97]

Exactly this. Unfortunately, this is the part of the schedule where if there is a turnaround, it has to happen now and can't wait til JJ gets back.

NET of the teams we've played so far (note, we are 136 in NET), wins in bold:
LeMoyne: 326
Colgate: 264
Youngstown St: 230
Texas: 57
Texas Tech: 33
Cornell: 101
Tennessee: 2
Notre Dame: 100
Albany: 211

To your point, here are the upcoming games where it's the last stand for the season:
Georgetown: 96
Maryland: 13
Bucknell: 238
Wake Forest: 118
Florida St: 80
Georgia Tech: 173
Boston College: 206

I asked, before the Brooklyn games, if anyone would take an O/U of 2.5 games over the next five (we went 1-4)

If I gave you anyone an O/U of 4 wins in the next 7, how many people would take that?

To IthacaMatt 's point, we really need to go 5 of 7 just to have a pulse, but probably even 6-1 in reality. But the likelihood is we are probably going 3-4 or 4-3. If we do worse than 3-4... I'm very worried that Red will lose the locker room.

4 of the next 7???? Thats an easy under. 2.5/7 is probably a better question

 

[chugg21]

I think we can safely look back and give this one to Townie.

Give JB one more year.

Four more years of JB are assured. Then he names his successor. Wildhack acquiesces. Given the likely decline of the program after JB, Wildhack isn’t going to grab the controls and start making high-risk decisions. You have no clue about John Wildhack. He acquiesces? LOL no way. If you think...

syracusefan.com

Man, whatever happened to him and AlSacs. Both just disappeared one day.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I'm tired of all the losing.

Guess we are all tired.

 

[SimonSays]

this isn’t good lol

TLDR: We are the 2nd worse team in power 5.

 

[MikeSU02]

this isn’t good lol

TLDR: We are the 2nd worse team in power 5.

Yeah, this is why, while I don't want to give up irrational hope that we usually have as fans, there is basically no light at the end of the tunnel.

We were bad with JJ. We are worse without him. But we are SO bad that it really feels that there is no "there" there to improve upon to have any real hope (ie: can we even make the bubble?).