richard levy
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ESPN ranks the 65 P5 schools, toughest to recruit at 1-65, 65 being the toughest. Syracuse #59
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I'll bet Boise State and Oregon used to be tough, too.
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Why?
Why not?
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I don't see anything wrong with the list.
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Seemed pretty much on point to me. Not many positives beyond the academics compared to the majority of the peer schools. Geographically inferior to most, program history during these kids entire lifetime is atrocious. Honestly believe that the basketball team provides the majority of the football teams identity overall which is a weird thing to type.
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Reminds me of watching the last Bowling Green game. Announcers were talking their players up as all world. They were very good, but the system propelled them forward and inflated perception (that's what we hope for here).
If we start winning someone will write about how the dome is this huge recruiting boon. Book it.
If we start winning someone will write about how the dome is this huge recruiting boon. Book it.
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Winning cures all
Think kids are dying to go to Manhattan...Kansas? Not really, but they will for Bill Snyder
Think kids are dying to go to Manhattan...Kansas? Not really, but they will for Bill Snyder
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Kansas State doesn't recruit well either, but they're also in a hotbed of jucos.
The recruiting cycle has changed so much, it's killing the remote-from-talent programs, of which you guys are unfortunately one. But it hits any school with not much talent close by. The days are gone when kids took their official visits as seniors, and after taking all five, chose their school.
It's all about unofficial visits now. Look at all the kids who are committed as juniors or younger. You're not even allowed to take an official that soon, but kids are committing. In many cases, when a school is close by, before a kid is even a senior, he's been on unofficial visits, game days, camps etc a dozen times.
How is Syracuse, BC, Nebraska, etc going to compete for true national level kids from the south or west in that scenario anymore? That's why when anything less than an Ohio State level program pulls a kid out of the south, he might be a nice player, but he's rarely one the local school have made a priority.
Of course, the thing with unofficial visits is that the school can't pay for them. The kid or his family "has" to pay for them. Now, if an assistant coach or a parent from a school four hours away drives up 4-5 hours away drives up five kids from one team for a weekend, maybe some gas money somehow finds it's way into their pocket and some generous soul finds them a place to stay.
When you're a plane ride away, you can't play that game. You'll have a handful of well-off white quarterbacks and linemen whose parents might have the dough and inclination to fly to different campuses on unofficials, but that's few and far between.
Even the kids that are a reasonable and affordable drive away, it's not nearly as easy to get them in early much because of how lightly concentrated they are. Kids frequently come together and share the expense, or a high school or 7 on 7 coach drives a group. While there might be desirable kids drivable to Syracuse, there's unlikely to be a bunch that know each other that are Syracuse quality that can share the expense to come together over an over.
That's the biggest reason why Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to, and there's almost nothing you can do about it. Has nothing to do with how nice the school is or the history of the program.
The only semi solution for those schools is to get an early signing day in place, along with the ability to pay for official visits junior year. That would give schools like Syracuse a fighting chance. I'm against it, because I think it's a very bad deal for the kid, and also frankly because the current arrangement gives FSU a huge advantage. Not over it's regional peers, but at least against schools from outside the region trying to come in and get kids.
But you should be very strongly for it.
The recruiting cycle has changed so much, it's killing the remote-from-talent programs, of which you guys are unfortunately one. But it hits any school with not much talent close by. The days are gone when kids took their official visits as seniors, and after taking all five, chose their school.
It's all about unofficial visits now. Look at all the kids who are committed as juniors or younger. You're not even allowed to take an official that soon, but kids are committing. In many cases, when a school is close by, before a kid is even a senior, he's been on unofficial visits, game days, camps etc a dozen times.
How is Syracuse, BC, Nebraska, etc going to compete for true national level kids from the south or west in that scenario anymore? That's why when anything less than an Ohio State level program pulls a kid out of the south, he might be a nice player, but he's rarely one the local school have made a priority.
Of course, the thing with unofficial visits is that the school can't pay for them. The kid or his family "has" to pay for them. Now, if an assistant coach or a parent from a school four hours away drives up 4-5 hours away drives up five kids from one team for a weekend, maybe some gas money somehow finds it's way into their pocket and some generous soul finds them a place to stay.
When you're a plane ride away, you can't play that game. You'll have a handful of well-off white quarterbacks and linemen whose parents might have the dough and inclination to fly to different campuses on unofficials, but that's few and far between.
Even the kids that are a reasonable and affordable drive away, it's not nearly as easy to get them in early much because of how lightly concentrated they are. Kids frequently come together and share the expense, or a high school or 7 on 7 coach drives a group. While there might be desirable kids drivable to Syracuse, there's unlikely to be a bunch that know each other that are Syracuse quality that can share the expense to come together over an over.
That's the biggest reason why Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to, and there's almost nothing you can do about it. Has nothing to do with how nice the school is or the history of the program.
The only semi solution for those schools is to get an early signing day in place, along with the ability to pay for official visits junior year. That would give schools like Syracuse a fighting chance. I'm against it, because I think it's a very bad deal for the kid, and also frankly because the current arrangement gives FSU a huge advantage. Not over it's regional peers, but at least against schools from outside the region trying to come in and get kids.
But you should be very strongly for it.
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I agree with this.
Our football "brand" isnt very strong right now. Even when it is strong...it is still a tough place to recruit. We are a private, relatively smaller school with a smaller budget. Its always going to be tough to recruit against the big boys.
Our football "brand" isnt very strong right now. Even when it is strong...it is still a tough place to recruit. We are a private, relatively smaller school with a smaller budget. Its always going to be tough to recruit against the big boys.
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Based on the list below...All we have, imo, would be 4 and parts of 5. How's the list BS?
1. Favorable geography/local recruiting territory.
2. Recruiting/football budget.
3. Facilities to attract recruits.
4. Next-level considerations.
5. Other intangibles including but not limited to winning tradition, game-day experience and academic considerations.
1. Favorable geography/local recruiting territory.
2. Recruiting/football budget.
3. Facilities to attract recruits.
4. Next-level considerations.
5. Other intangibles including but not limited to winning tradition, game-day experience and academic considerations.
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Right now I wouldn't say you've got 4 unless a kid is really historically aware. You've got 10 NFL players right now, in line with the other schools at the bottom of the list and many G5 schools.
Not slamming Syracuse just being realistic. The good news is that 4-5 is at least partially under your control to improve, and winning and $ goes a long way.
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One more thing. Note this:
"Our experts were instructed to discount the presence of an iconic coach (so no "Alabama is a great recruiting job because Nick Saban is a monster recruiter") or an attractive scheme (so no "Baylor is an attractive recruiting job because Art Briles runs a fun scheme") in making their determinations."
So there are two points which were specifically not included that potentially could result in Syracuse "punching above it's weight" on this list (obviously unknown at this time anyway so wouldn't have changed this list).
"Our experts were instructed to discount the presence of an iconic coach (so no "Alabama is a great recruiting job because Nick Saban is a monster recruiter") or an attractive scheme (so no "Baylor is an attractive recruiting job because Art Briles runs a fun scheme") in making their determinations."
So there are two points which were specifically not included that potentially could result in Syracuse "punching above it's weight" on this list (obviously unknown at this time anyway so wouldn't have changed this list).
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It was more considering how bad our record has been...and we have as many as schools like Texas Tech...and the guys have been 1st round picks (Pugh) and some big name players (Chandler Jones, Freeney).
We've also had a record of putting solid guys in the NFL even when the team was bad. That was more my point.
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No one's mentioned that I've seen the impact of having an on campus dome. Isn't that an advantage over competitors in some aspects?
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Its sad but most people dont know what 50k in the dome sounds like. Its what i live for. I need it back.
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