Tournament Resumes YTD / Selection Show

[Powellfan]

Hempstead, N.Y.
(1) Princeton vs. METRO ATLANTIC/Sacred Heart-AMERICA EAST/Vermont winner
(8) Syracuse vs. PATRIOT/Army

Hempstead, N.Y.
(5) IVY/Cornell vs. BIG EAST/Georgetown
(4) Penn State vs. ATLANTIC 10/Richmond

Annapolis, Md.
(3) North Carolina vs. COASTAL/Towson
(6) Harvard vs. Duke

Annapolis, Md.
(7) BIG TEN/Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
(2) Maryland vs. ATLANTIC SUN/Jacksonville-NORTHEAST/Robert Morris winner

Last three included: Syracuse, Notre Dame, Duke
First three on the outside: Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Rutgers
Moving in: Duke, Georgetown, Towson, Vermont
Moving out: Binghamton, Hofstra, Marquette, Michigan
Conference call: Atlantic Coast (4), Big Ten (3), Ivy (3)

Notre Dame, Syracuse and Duke are all teams with some work to do — and the best opportunities will come against North Carolina. Syracuse-Duke in Durham on April 19 will also be a differentiator. …

 

[FloridaCuse]

Hempstead, N.Y.
(1) Princeton vs. METRO ATLANTIC/Sacred Heart-AMERICA EAST/Vermont winner
(8) Syracuse vs. PATRIOT/Army

Hempstead, N.Y.
(5) IVY/Cornell vs. BIG EAST/Georgetown
(4) Penn State vs. ATLANTIC 10/Richmond

Annapolis, Md.
(3) North Carolina vs. COASTAL/Towson
(6) Harvard vs. Duke

Annapolis, Md.
(7) BIG TEN/Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
(2) Maryland vs. ATLANTIC SUN/Jacksonville-NORTHEAST/Robert Morris winner

Last three included: Syracuse, Notre Dame, Duke
First three on the outside: Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Rutgers
Moving in: Duke, Georgetown, Towson, Vermont
Moving out: Binghamton, Hofstra, Marquette, Michigan
Conference call: Atlantic Coast (4), Big Ten (3), Ivy (3)

Notre Dame, Syracuse and Duke are all teams with some work to do — and the best opportunities will come against North Carolina. Syracuse-Duke in Durham on April 19 will also be a differentiator. …

Thanks for posting.. Did USA Lacrosse Magazine remove their paywall? As he usually does, Patrick Stevens sticks closer to the RPI rankings. Still a long way to go.

 

[kismet35]

There is nothing easier for the committee logistically than bussing Army over to to the Dome to play the first round Sunday night game - seeding is incredibly important. Nobody wants to see Army in the first round.

Agree was literally just thinking about the "flight/no flight" committee thing...Wonder if they take into account past history etc...

 

[JeremyCuse]

There is nothing easier for the committee logistically than bussing Army over to to the Dome to play the first round Sunday night game - seeding is incredibly important. Nobody wants to see Army in the first round.

As I noted before if it's remotely possible the committee will do it. We either need to win put or close to it to get top 3 seed to avoid them or have army win out and get a seed. I fully expect to be playing Army in the 1st round

 

[Faegan]

As I noted before if it's remotely possible the committee will do it. We either need to win put or close to it to get top 3 seed to avoid them or have army win out and get a seed. I fully expect to be playing Army in the 1st round

My son and I have been talking about it for weeks. 100% agree.

 

[Faegan]

As I said on Saturday, I wouldn't want to put ourselves in the position of losing out. If we win 1 of our last 3 and we don't get in it's BS.

 

[nocohalo]

Who would vault ahead at that point? There's a pretty massive drop off after 11 in the RPI.

 

[FloridaCuse]

As I said on Saturday, I wouldn't want to put ourselves in the position of losing out. If we win 1 of our last 3 and we don't get in it's BS.

If we win 1 more we'll get in. May even get a seed if we beat Cornell but lose the last 2. Some who have simulated the last 3 weeks think we have a good chance to still get in the tournament even if lose the last 3.

 

[cuselaxss26]

seems would make this a lot easier for cuse n us if we just win. So think we all agree let’s just do that? Yup official win out !

 

[DMVCuseLax]

 

[wgdsr]

Who would vault ahead at that point? There's a pretty massive drop off after 11 in the RPI.

even if those 11 teams are those to be chosen from, all 11 in would mean no bid steals out of b1g/ivy/army. that's to say, a non zero chance the last 2 in may be bunched in with someone left out.

 

[nocohalo]

even if those 11 teams are those to be chosen from, all 11 in would mean no bid steals out of b1g/ivy/army. that's to say, a non zero chance the last 2 in may be bunched in with someone left out.

Possible bid thieves in the b1g and Ivy yes, that's definitely possible. But I don't know if Army makes it if they lose a Patriot League game. I think they'll drop quite a bit.

 

[wgdsr]

Possible bid thieves in the b1g and Ivy yes, that's definitely possible. But I don't know if Army makes it if they lose a Patriot League game. I think they'll drop quite a bit.

possible. army has 4 opponents lurking outside the top 20, #s 21-24 and they beat them all. and then rutgers 18 (W) and boston 16 (L). and unc. loyola game won't help, but navy + 1 or especially 2 top 4 patriot games can make up for some of that.

they could end up with a good number of top 20's including a top 5/10 and no bad losses. sos won't be great, but may not be a disaster around 20. and the committee stopped going chaulk to rpi with covid.

in any event, you only need one bid steal to topple things for "the magnificent 11".

 

[Powellfan]

possible. army has 4 opponents lurking outside the top 20, #s 21-24 and they beat them all. and then rutgers 18 (W) and boston 16 (L). and unc. loyola game won't help, but navy + 1 or especially 2 top 4 patriot games can make up for some of that.

they could end up with a good number of top 20's including a top 5/10 and no bad losses. sos won't be great, but may not be a disaster around 20. and the committee stopped going chaulk to rpi with covid.

in any event, you only need one bid steal to topple things for "the magnificent 11".

Isn’t everyone above them bolstering their resumes even more? Feels like the time to boost their RPI was before conference play began. ACC, Big 10 and even Ivy are just going to scratch each others backs playing in conference. Even if they lose they still get credit for playing better teams than Army will. What am I missing?

 

[FloridaCuse]

Isn’t everyone above them bolstering their resumes even more? Feels like the time to boost their RPI was before conference play began. ACC, Big 10 and even Ivy are just going to scratch each others backs playing in conference. Even if they lose they still get credit for playing better teams than Army will. What am I missing?

I don't think you're missing anything. I agree with you. Army's only real path may be by winning the Patriot League conference tournament and getting g the AQ.. Otherwise, unless some very strange things happen, they are likely t have RPI problems based on their remaining schedule.

 

[wgdsr]

Isn’t everyone above them bolstering their resumes even more? Feels like the time to boost their RPI was before conference play began. ACC, Big 10 and even Ivy are just going to scratch each others backs playing in conference. Even if they lose they still get credit for playing better teams than Army will. What am I missing?

this is all assuming army takes a loss in their patriot tournament.
1) that's one loss and there will be teams above and below them that take more than one.
2) they're 8 right now, not @ 11. they have room to drop. and after 11 as was stated originally, there's a really large drop to 12. bifurcating teams, for now.
3) the nc$$ tourn is no longer evaluating teams solely by their rpi.

 

[Powellfan]

Feels like Syracuse could very well be a bubble team if they lose to Duke this weekend? Something tells me they would switch places with the Blue Devils, at least in the eyes of the committee. At the very least they would certainly lose a “seed” unless they can win this weekend. Very very big game with big time implications.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Feels like Syracuse could very well be a bubble team if they lose to Duke this weekend? Something tells me they would switch places with the Blue Devils, at least in the eyes of the committee. At the very least they would certainly lose a “seed” unless they can win this weekend. Very very big game with big time implications.

Next week is absolutely enormous for SU. The Harvard loss continues to age well but blowing that game has also evaporated the margin of error. SUs still in pretty good shape but would be well served to take care of business Sat vs a Duke team that has struggled mightily on offense the last month +. SU has 3 games for sure left on the season. It needs to go at messt 2-1 in some combo of the 3.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Next week is absolutely enormous for SU. The Harvard loss continues to age well but blowing that game has also evaporated the margin of error. SUs still in pretty good shape but would be well served to take care of business Sat vs a Duke team that has struggled mightily on offense the last month +. SU has 3 games for sure left on the season. It needs to go at messt 2-1 in some combo of the 3.

that makes sense. The Harvard loss is still brutal for so many reasons, even if it's aging well. We'd be looking a lot better if our only two losses were to Maryland and Cornell on the road/neutral site.

 

[JeremyCuse]

that makes sense. The Harvard loss is still brutal for so many reasons, even if it's aging well. We'd be looking a lot better if our only two losses were to Maryland and Cornell on the road/neutral site.

1000%, you knew at the time it would inevitably come back to haunt us. The silver lining is that Harvard has held up and continues to win and really only has 1 bad loss itself to Gate.

 

[HtownOrange]

Hempstead, N.Y.
(1) Princeton vs. METRO ATLANTIC/Sacred Heart-AMERICA EAST/Vermont winner
(8) Syracuse vs. PATRIOT/Army

Hempstead, N.Y.
(5) IVY/Cornell vs. BIG EAST/Georgetown
(4) Penn State vs. ATLANTIC 10/Richmond

Annapolis, Md.
(3) North Carolina vs. COASTAL/Towson
(6) Harvard vs. Duke

Annapolis, Md.
(7) BIG TEN/Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
(2) Maryland vs. ATLANTIC SUN/Jacksonville-NORTHEAST/Robert Morris winner

Last three included: Syracuse, Notre Dame, Duke
First three on the outside: Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Rutgers
Moving in: Duke, Georgetown, Towson, Vermont
Moving out: Binghamton, Hofstra, Marquette, Michigan
Conference call: Atlantic Coast (4), Big Ten (3), Ivy (3)

Notre Dame, Syracuse and Duke are all teams with some work to do — and the best opportunities will come against North Carolina. Syracuse-Duke in Durham on April 19 will also be a differentiator. …

I know this will break your hearts [said with immense sarcasm!]:

Rutgers lost to Michigan in Jersey. Rutgers may have played themselves off the bubble and into the other rans. They will likely need to outright win the B1G tourney to get the auto bid or enjoy the NCAA tourney from their living rooms.

Rutgers continues their streak of irrelevance 0 for 156 years in everything.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I know this will break your hearts [said with immense sarcasm!]:

Rutgers lost to Michigan in Jersey. Rutgers may have played themselves off the bubble and into the other rans. They will likely need to outright win the B1G tourney to get the auto bid or enjoy the NCAA tourney from their living rooms.

Rutgers continues their streak of irrelevance 0 for 156 years in everything.

The Maryland win was huge for Rutty but that article having them anywhere near the tourney was ridiculous. Even before today's loss they were a .500 team who had lost to SB and been blown out by UMass amongst others. They would have had to win out in the regular season and probably reach the B10 title game to have had a legitimate chance.

 

[HtownOrange]

The Maryland win was huge for Rutty but that article having them anywhere near the tourney was ridiculous. Even before today's loss they were a .500 team who had lost to SB and been blown out by UMass amongst others. They would have had to win out in the regular season and probably reach the B10 title game to have had a legitimate chance.

I can live with that. Rutgers makes lots of B1G money but still cannot operate their AD in a respectable manner and make competitive teams.

 

[orange79]

So, with games through today (including Michigan/Rutgers), Syracuse is #8 in the RPI, with a 0-2 record vs. the top 5, 1-1 vs. 6-10, 2-0 vs. 11-20, and 6-0 21+.

So next week we have Duke (#10) and then close out the regular season with #4 UNC before heading into the ACCT, where the only anchor would be UVA (#20) if they could somehow make it. Otherwise, all the teams in the ACCT would be top 10 teams.

We have a chance to make some noise, but we have to beat Duke. It all starts next week.

All rankings I use above are RPI numbers, not polls.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men?t=epxlwifospeivmd

 

[JeremyCuse]

So, with games through today (including Michigan/Rutgers), Syracuse is #8 in the RPI, with a 0-2 record vs. the top 5, 1-1 vs. 6-10, 2-0 vs. 11-20, and 6-0 21+.

So next week we have Duke (#10) and then close out the regular season with #4 UNC before heading into the ACCT, where the only anchor would be UVA (#20) if they could somehow make it. Otherwise, all the teams in the ACCT would be top 10 teams.

We have a chance to make some noise, but we have to beat Duke. It all starts next week.

All rankings I use above are RPI numbers, not polls.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men?t=epxlwifospeivmd

UVA is in a very tough spot though if SU beats Duke they would just need to beat Duke to get in. Now the fact that they haven't beaten Duke in nearly 20 years in the regular season is something you probably have to take into consideration. If your SU just win the next 2 games or at minimum next week and make it all moot.