Transfers Next Season

[kmart128]

Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll. We potentially could see 3 transfers starting for us next year. Has anyone ever seen 3 transfers start on a syracuse team ever?

Paschal Chukwu may start but Coleman also has a shot.
Andrew White may start if he decides to come here but he and Battle will compete and one will likely get the 6th man role.
John Gillon looks to be a starter unless White signs and Boehiem want to move Battle to PG.

How do you see Syracuse handling the transfers if White picks Syracuse.

I see

PG: John Gillon / Frank Howard
SG: Andrew White III / Tyus Battle (6th man)
SF: Tyler Lydon / Matthew Moyer
PF: Tyler Roberson / Tauren Thompson
C: Paschal Chukwu / Dajuan Coleman

 

[kcsu]

Battle point
White 2
Lydon 3
Robbie 4
Chubaka 5

That is your top 5 but only lydon and Robbie are for sure starters. Probably Battle as well.

 

[Jack Hall]

Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll. We potentially could see 3 transfers starting for us next year. Has anyone ever seen 3 transfers start on a syracuse team ever?

Paschal Chukwu may start but Coleman also has a shot.
Andrew White may start if he decides to come here but he and Battle will compete and one will likely get the 6th man role.
John Gillon looks to be a starter unless White signs and Boehiem want to move Battle to PG.

How do you see Syracuse handling the transfers if White picks Syracuse.

I see

PG: John Gillon / Frank Howard
SG: Andrew White III / Tyus Battle (6th man)
SF: Tyler Lydon / Matthew Moyer
PF: Tyler Roberson / Tauren Thompson
C: Paschal Chukwu / Dajuan Coleman

JB traditionally plays 3 guards, 3 forwards and 2 centers (at most) depth wise. Gillon, Battle, Howard will all play at guard. That doesnt leave too many more mins at the guard positions. If White comes here, imo our 3 best forwards will be Lydon, White, Roberson. If White comes here not convinced MM and TT play much in big ACC games. Can and will White play guard if he comes here? Of course. But my prediction would be that he plays more forward. Ie i think a lineup of Pascal, Lydon, White, Battle, Gillon could be our best lineup. But thats just me

Edit look at Whites rebounding #s. They were very good. If Battle and White are out on the court together with Gillon or Howard, who do you think will be playing in backline of zone? Imo its White

 

[pfister1]

This team would be in a world of hurt if they hadn't changed the transfer rule to allow for immediate eligibility for grad transfers. Yikes.

PG - Gillon or Battle (Howard)
SG - Battle or White
SF - Lydon (Moyer)
PF - Roberson (Thompson)
C - Coleman (Chuckwu)

If we add White JB is going to have a ton of flexibility with the the lineup that I am not sure he has without him, as White might be the best candidate to play or back up at the SF position. I think JB loves players that move between positions. I think White may be a guy that can legitimately and competently play SG or SF. I think we know that Lydon can play PF and C and I am assuming he can play the SF position, but we'll see if JB agrees. We have assumed that Battle can play PG, SG and SF...will be interesting to see if that is true. The more flexibility we have the easier it is for JB to get the right mix of guys out there.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Battle is here because he was told he could play point.

 

[RF2044]

Battle is here because he was told he could play point.

ABC

Sounds like pillow talk to me. Battle isn't going to play much point, although he is certainly capable of filling in there.

 

[wallacecuse]

Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll. We potentially could see 3 transfers starting for us next year. Has anyone ever seen 3 transfers start on a syracuse team ever?

Paschal Chukwu may start but Coleman also has a shot.
Andrew White may start if he decides to come here but he and Battle will compete and one will likely get the 6th man role.
John Gillon looks to be a starter unless White signs and Boehiem want to move Battle to PG.

How do you see Syracuse handling the transfers if White picks Syracuse.

I see

PG: John Gillon / Frank Howard
SG: Andrew White III / Tyus Battle (6th man)
SF: Tyler Lydon / Matthew Moyer
PF: Tyler Roberson / Tauren Thompson
C: Paschal Chukwu / Dajuan Coleman

I would say the transfer count has more to do with early entrants to the NBA, than a lack of scholarships. We wouldn't be able to take these guys on if we were lacking schollys.

 

[orangefan13]

Just a short guess.
I see Battle at SG more, because 1. I think he will be a better shooter to kick it to then Frank. 2. Gillion is smaller can't expect him to run around screens to knock down spot up shots, long twos, and quick passes unless hes really open(which we should count on as a rare occurance against good defense, although he can always drive off his motion similar to SG Triche). and
3. Gillon has a nice pull up shot, which is good for point guards late in the shot clock, but he isn't going to get a good look off motion late in the shot clock, like Battle could.

If we get White though that could change with White and Lydon on the perimeter, or if Roberson and Moyer show they can aid Lydon with some longer shots, even long twos for the drive and kick.

Point guard is also a different position in the full court and the half court, because of abilities to score off of motion and finding holes in the defense. I always say leaders on the basketball court fill in the gaps that the team is missing.

 

[Dave85]

Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll. We potentially could see 3 transfers starting for us next year. Has anyone ever seen 3 transfers start on a syracuse team ever?

Paschal Chukwu may start but Coleman also has a shot.
Andrew White may start if he decides to come here but he and Battle will compete and one will likely get the 6th man role.
John Gillon looks to be a starter unless White signs and Boehiem want to move Battle to PG.

How do you see Syracuse handling the transfers if White picks Syracuse.

I see

PG: John Gillon / Frank Howard
SG: Andrew White III / Tyus Battle (6th man)
SF: Tyler Lydon / Matthew Moyer
PF: Tyler Roberson / Tauren Thompson
C: Paschal Chukwu / Dajuan Coleman

That's a really good lineup. I hope we get White.

 

[HOFCeluck]

ABC

Sounds like pillow talk to me. Battle isn't going to play much point, although he is certainly capable of filling in there.

I've been wrong before about lineups before(hi Kaleb) but I recall this was a major selling point

 

[reedny]

"Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll."

We were at 8 schollies b/ TT committed (DC, Chukwu, Lydon, Moyer, Howard, Battle, Gillon, TR). TT makes it 9, and if White commits it'll be 10. We have 11 to give out (minus 2 this year), and I doubt JB will take any more players after White (10). So we won't even max out the ships we have available. Some might say that prior year's losses (transfers of BJ/Patterson and maybe Thomas Bryant) were related to the sanctions - that's debatable. But this year's defections (Chino, KJ) were about PT/ability more than anything else.

As far as the transfers coming in (Chukwu, Gillon and potentially White) ... Francis, et al, will be able to comment more authoritatively, but I think it's the realities of recruiting and not sanctions. If you don't have program guys ready to step in (harder and harder with the lure of the NBA), you have to fill the holes immediately with highly qualified players -- either HS superstuds or talented transfers. This year at SU is a perfect example: we lose TC, G and MR out of the back court ... all very good players. To fill those holes, the staff didn't have a program guy (KJ didn't work out), so they recruited a mix of highly talented freshmen (Battle), and veteran transfers (Gillon, White). This isn't much different than mixing one-and-dones with program kids ... except the program kids come from other schools.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Coleman has about a 99% chance of starting.

 

[RF2044]

I've been wrong before about lineups before(hi Kaleb) but I recall this was a major selling point

I think that the promise was that the ball would be in his hands, fwiw.

But things change. If Mali had stayed, then maybe our best lineup would have had Battle / Mali at guard. With Mali gone, his best value is at the 2, so that's where he'll play. I also don't see White [after watching his clips] being able to play 2 in our system, he's much more of a 3.

I think we're actually pretty lucky--all three of our guards on paper should be able to play effectively in various combinations.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I think that the promise was that the ball would be in his hands, fwiw.

But things change. If Mali had stayed, then maybe our best lineup would have had Battle / Mali at guard. With Mali gone, his best value is at the 2, so that's where he'll play. I also don't see White [after watching his clips] being able to play 2 in our system, he's much more of a 3.

I think we're actually pretty lucky--all three of our guards on paper should be able to play effectively in various combinations.

I agree with your last paragraph. Whatever wins it's the most games I'm all- in for.

 

[two3zone]

I'm usually not a fan of these 5th year transfer guys but I really like our two. Without them I'd hate to see where this team would be.

Between the early entrants and the transfers, we're lucky to be fielding s team. Kudos to JB and staff, this offseason may have been the most difficult and time crunching one with the best payoff in JBs 110 years on campus.

 

[Alsacs]

Battle, Lydon, Coleman, Roberson start for sure.

Either Gillon or White would be the 5th starter.
Chukwu, Gillon/White, Howard in the rotation.
Moyer/Thompson have to earn their minutes but will be starters in 2017.

If JB gets White he has done OUTSTANDING job this offseason going from 7 guys to 10 guys. 10 scholarships being used is fine. 8 scholarships would have been not acceptable.

 

[Dave85]

Battle, Lydon, Coleman, Roberson start for sure.

Either Gillon or White would be the 5th starter.
Chukwu, Gillon/White, Howard in the rotation.
Moyer/Thompson have to earn their minutes but will be starters in 2017.

If JB gets White he has done OUTSTANDING job this offseason going from 7 guys to 10 guys. 10 scholarships being used is fine. 8 scholarships would have been not acceptable.

If they get White then JB and the coaching staff deserve a HUGE amount of respect.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Coleman has about a 99% chance of starting.

Absent injury, that's low.

 

[SWC75]

If they get White then JB and the coaching staff deserve a HUGE amount of respect.

They also deserve it if they don't get White.

But if they get him, the team will get a huge amount of credit with all the games they will likely win. I see this team as 2011-12 all over again.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Short of being convicted for stealing the Lindberg baby between now and November, DC is starting people. Also, TB will get plenty of run at PG until and unless he proves he can't handle it. Otherwise he would be at Duke or Michigan.

 

[CaptainJ]

Coleman has about a 99% chance of starting.

Is ****yu that bad that at 7'2 he has no chance of getting at least 1 start if Coleman gets in the doghouse? What if the OP had said starters' minutes? Is there no chance Coleman could get Boeheimed the same way centers did quickly in the not too distant past? Some may remember how quickly it happened each game. When it comes to Syracuse, there are multiple definitions of "starter".

 

[RF2044]

Short of being convicted for stealing the Lindberg baby between now and November, DC is starting people. Also, TB will get plenty of run at PG until and unless he proves he can't handle it. Otherwise he would be at Duke or Michigan.

I'd be willing to take that bet.

JB and staff did what they needed to do to close with Battle. Battle might have played some 1 if Mali had returned, and if we hadn't landed Gillon. Now, the team needs him more to play off the ball and to be a scorer, and fortunately he has transcendent offensive capabilities [as Tomcat puts it] where he'll thrive in that capacity.

Whatever the circumstances were during his recruitment, things have changed.

 

[Dcuse]

Looks like lack of scholarships is taking its toll. We potentially could see 3 transfers starting for us next year. Has anyone ever seen 3 transfers start on a syracuse team ever?

Paschal Chukwu may start but Coleman also has a shot.
Andrew White may start if he decides to come here but he and Battle will compete and one will likely get the 6th man role.
John Gillon looks to be a starter unless White signs and Boehiem want to move Battle to PG.

How do you see Syracuse handling the transfers if White picks Syracuse.

I see

PG: John Gillon / Frank Howard
SG: Andrew White III / Tyus Battle (6th man)
SF: Tyler Lydon / Matthew Moyer
PF: Tyler Roberson / Tauren Thompson
C: Paschal Chukwu / Dajuan Coleman

I am astounded by the lack of Franklin Howard respect in this thread. Gillon starting over Howard at the point? Seriously? He is our best option at the point. Battle is a combo guard who could end up being a real good pg option down the road. Howard is a huge key to our season. His jump from year one to two is apparently going to shock a lot here.

 

[longislandcuse]

I am astounded by the lack of Franklin Howard respect in this thread. Gillon starting over Howard at the point? Seriously? He is our best option at the point. Battle is a combo guard who could end up being a real good pg option down the road. Howard is a huge key to our season. His jump from year one to two is apparently going to shock a lot here.

I think Howard will make a noticeable jump, mainly in terms of shooting (I hope) and I believe he starts because Gillon has the better mindset to come off the bench as a spark plug. However, if White comes here, I think we go freak show lineup in Battle-White-Lydon-Roberson-Chukwu. It's just way too much fun to think about on the defensive side and nobody is outrebounding us.

 

[CaptainJ]

Will be interesting to see how JB treats a first year senior that hasnt played here, vs a sophomore who has had a year in the system, albeit with limited playing time. For me, it's a bit too soon to make a definitive call. Of course if that senior were White, it might make a difference. Has SU ever had 2 first year seniors on the squad?