Trebor Pena transferring to PSU

[tep624]

What is ideal timing? When the other school offers affects timing

I’m about 99% he didn’t have an offer and people were just in his ear about what he *could* be offered.

 

[CA Monk]

Everyone is just bitter. If he’s got $2mm locked up he’d be an idiot to not take it…

True but what if he doesn’t. What if he ends up signing for the same amount or slightly more or slightly less because a firm deal was not struck. That would be a waste. A travesty if you will.

 

[Scooch]

He will be the concept of DART for the rest of his life because of Fran just not CCT for SU. CCT “Do you care? Are you committed? Can I just you?”

I might be the only one, but to me DART’s just a slogan. I mean if it helps some guys get their act together, that’s great.

But every coach has a slogan. And they’re cool as long as the team is winning.

 

[OttosShoes]

I might be the only one, but to me DART’s just a slogan. I mean if it helps some guys get their act together, that’s great.

But every coach has a slogan. And they’re cool as long as the team is winning.

DART is definitely a slogan.

That said, it doesn't mean there isn't an attitude behind it. I think it's an attitude and work ethic Fran has had for a long time and we all know what it's like, DART is just an easy way to reference it. He tried to sum up his attitude in a few words, but in reality it will probably need a book to explain. We may just get one one day.

 

[Scooch]

DART is definitely a slogan.

That said, it doesn't mean there isn't an attitude behind it. I think it's an attitude and work ethic Fran has had for a long time and we all know what it's like, DART is just an easy way to reference it. He tried to sum up his attitude in a few words, but in reality it will probably need a book to explain. We may just get one one day.

For sure. Every successful coach builds culture is a purposeful way. So I’m certainly glad to see Brown has that.

I just think people get a little carried away with the “dart, dart, darty dart dart” stuff.

It’s possible my years of enduring similar corporate organizational jargon has made me cynical.

 

[OttosShoes]

It’s possible my years of enduring similar corporate organizational jargon has made me cynical.

I'm with you there. Couple in all the "fake it until you make it" nonsense.

It's easy to come up with an acronym. The hard part is having something worthy of it.

 

[Trueblue25]

Easy advice to follow.

Don’t make a big deal/announcement of your return.

Don’t take a captain position.

Don’t cast doubts on your QB and team to justify your decision on the way out.

I hope he gets the big contract and has a good year, because he just flipped the script on his otherwise positive public profile.

 

[sufan59]

Easy advice to follow.

Don’t make a big deal/announcement of your return.

Don’t take a captain position.

Don’t cast doubts on your QB and team to justify your decision on the way out.

I hope he gets the big contract and has a good year, because he just flipped the script on his otherwise positive public profile.

I’m just stunned by the entire situation. For Fran to flat out say to him that he’s got to go was likely the hardest thing he has had to do in his coaching career so far.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yep. They’re not even close. Beck is brooding and far from the all-business, adult leader role that McCord owned. Going to south beach after a girl and the most money versus going to Syracuse kind of tells you what you need to know.

This gets confusing if you’re thinking this is about Jason Beck, former cuse QB coach.

 

[tep624]

Easy advice to follow.

Don’t make a big deal/announcement of your return.

Don’t take a captain position.

Don’t cast doubts on your QB and team to justify your decision on the way out.

I hope he gets the big contract and has a good year, because he just flipped the script on his otherwise positive public profile.

Kind of going with my gut here, but the more I’ve analyzed this situation and pieced together data points from third parties that would know, I feel like the scenario was Pena getting outside advice from third parties that his NFL potential draft stock would drop without McCord here due to a lack of targets and that Syracuse needed to pay him more NIL to mitigate that risk or he should go to a higher profile program elsewhere, even if for the same NIL. Just the way this has all hastily and sloppily played out makes me feel like that’s the likely scenario.

I sincerely don’t believe he had a standing offer out there for crazy money like this $2mm being referenced.

Could be wrong here for sure but the gist of this makes sense considering what transpired.

 

[GoSU96]

True but what if he doesn’t. What if he ends up signing for the same amount or slightly more or slightly less because a firm deal was not struck. That would be a waste. A travesty if you will.

Isn’t it his business on how he deals with his career risk?

This is just a guess but I bet he has more facts to make a decision than anyone else.

 

[GoSU96]

For sure. Every successful coach builds culture is a purposeful way. So I’m certainly glad to see Brown has that.

I just think people get a little carried away with the “dart, dart, darty dart dart” stuff.

It’s possible my years of enduring similar corporate organizational jargon has made me cynical.

It’s his North Star mission statement of the vision

 

[GoSU96]

Easy advice to follow.

Don’t make a big deal/announcement of your return.

Don’t take a captain position.

Don’t cast doubts on your QB and team to justify your decision on the way out.

I hope he gets the big contract and has a good year, because he just flipped the script on his otherwise positive public profile.

When did he cast doubts on the Qb?

 

[Sdot]

When did cast doubts on the Qb?

Fran mentioned Pena was questioning wether Rickie was good enough and fast enough to play this year.

 

[Scooch]

It’s his North Star mission statement of the of the vision

Why don’t we put a pin in this and circle back.

 

[GoSU96]

Fran mentioned Pena was questioning wether Rickie was good enough and fast enough to play this year.

Right, his coach disclosed a private conversation, Peña never publicly put the Qb on blast.

 

[dasher]

Right, his coach disclosed a private conversation, Peña never publicly put the Qb on blast.

What message does that send to a team when a captain says I'm leaving because I think you are wrong coach about who the QB should be? Hey, this is Pena's life. Not anyone's on this board. He has to do what he thinks is best for himself . And had he done this back in Dec., I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it. Or they shouldn't have. But he did accept being a captain. He did say yes to the deal he made with the team and the school. He did take up a space in the teams plans during the spring.

 

[GoSU96]

What message does that send to a team when a captain says I'm leaving because I think you are wrong coach about who the QB should be? Hey, this is Pena's life. Not anyone's on this board. He has to do what he thinks is best for himself . And had he done this back in Dec., I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it. Or they shouldn't have. But he did accept being a captain. He did say yes to the deal he made with the team and the school. He did take up a space in the teams plans during the spring.

There wouldn’t be any message to the team if Brown had kept it private.

Peña knows more now than he did in December.

 

[Trueblue25]

Right, his coach disclosed a private conversation, Peña never publicly put the Qb on blast.

He’s a captain, that bridge was crossed

 

[dasher]

There wouldn’t be any message to the team if Brown had kept it private.

Peña knows more now than he did in December.

Really? You believe that Pena kept it to himself, he didn't say anything to any teammates on what he thought of Collins? You really believe that? Did Pena handle this the way you would advise your kids to handle the same exact situation? Yes or No.

 

[GoSU96]

He’s a captain, that bridge was crossed

What’s that got to do with anything?

 

[GoSU96]

Really? You believe that Pena kept it to himself, he didn't say anything to any teammates on what he thought of Collins? You really believe that?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

There is zero evidence that he did.

 

[OttosShoes]

What’s that got to do with anything?

You can’t push a string; captains lead by example.

Questioning the team strategy in relation to personal stats is a behavior a captain ought to squash in other players, let alone engage in themselves.

I was honestly shocked that came out. I was one of the people saying it’d be ridiculous if that happened. But evidently it did.

 

[GoSU96]

You can’t push a string; captains lead by example.

Questioning the team strategy in relation to personal stats is a behavior a captain ought to squash in other players, let alone engage in themselves.

I was honestly shocked that came out. I was one of the people saying it’d be ridiculous if that happened. But evidently it did.

Is there any evidence he had a similar conversation with anyone but the coach?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

“I will be DART for the rest of my life”

*leaves*

You can only follow DART at SU? Hmm.