UConn Coming (2 and 2)

[HRE Otto IV]

Sal for an OOC game it is close. Hell it is closer than ANY ACC team. 3.5 to 4.5 hrs from CNY, less from the Tri-State and New England.

people who travel will go to the moon. So the where doesn’t matter for them. People who don’t travel often won’t go to UConn or Akron. They don’t care enough to make the trip. So it doesn’t matter for them. if you are someone who plans one road trip a year, you aren’t picking UConn as that game. The people it will benefit the most are the Conn locals.

We have a tiny fan base. Having 500 more people at a road game shouldn’t drive who we play. Now if we got a large turnout, that would be a different story.

 

[Alsacs]

Sal for an OOC game it is close. Hell it is closer than ANY ACC team. 3.5 to 4.5 hrs from CNY, less from the Tri-State and New England.

I swear it’s not playing them that is the issue.
If mixed in a 2 games it’s not as bad.
The issue is the negotiation.
They need us. We don’t need them. If Syracuse says 3 for 2 or no deal what does UConn say?
They say okay. If not they can play New Mexico State or Liberty and we can play Buffalo in the same deal UConn got if close games are the reason for the series.

UConn football vs. Buffalo football are the same thing.

 

[TexanMark]

people who travel will go to the moon. So the where doesn’t matter for them. People who don’t travel often won’t go to UConn or Akron. They don’t care enough to make the trip. So it doesn’t matter for them. if you are someone who plans one road trip a year, you aren’t picking UConn as that game. The people it will benefit the most are the Conn locals.

We have a tiny fan base. Having 500 more people at a road game shouldn’t drive who we play. Now if we got a large turnout, that would be a different story.

Obviously Yukon isn't a "bucket list" trip like USC, Texas, Clemson or LSU but I think you undersell the semi-hardcore SU fan from CNY, Tri-State and New England who might pick Yukon as a easy trip and easy win. Hartford has a ton of vacant corporate hotel rooms on the weekend. It is a pretty cheap trip and can be done spur of the moment...unlike the four I listed. I literally stayed at a 2 star motel out by the airport for about $55 the last time we played at the Rent.

 

[HtownOrange]

I swear it’s not playing them that is the issue.
If mixed in a 2 games it’s not as bad.
The issue is the negotiation.
They need us. We don’t need them. If Syracuse says 3 for 2 or no deal what does UConn say?
They say okay. If not they can play New Mexico State or Liberty and we can play Buffalo in the same deal UConn got if close games are the reason for the series.

UConn football vs. Buffalo football are the same thing.

Respectfully, were you in the negotiations? Serious question. You repeatedly state that the negotiations were bad; therefore, you have insight that has not been properly presented to us. I am not attacking you, rather, asking you to declare your insight or inside information.

You have made your opinion clear. Nobody believes UCan't is a homerun, four-point play, a 97 yard TD play, nor a miracle (on or off ice). However, it is an acceptable deal. No one is telling you that you cannot have an opinion, nor is anyone accepting that you get to form our opinions. I have no desire to play UConn but if HCDB and ADJW are on board, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

You are analyzing the deal in a vacuum. Perhaps ADJW has negotiated a few games with UCan't on hardwood. They certainly do not need SU for the hardwood, they are in the Big East and have plenty of competition.

Your argument regarding SU having greater leverage may be valid, it may not be valid. SU may owe UCan't a favor. The concept that you cannot trust ADJW and HCDB to do what is in the best interest of SU is beyond the pale. ADJW knows far better what SU's negotiating strength is and I am fully confident that he is using any SU advantage for SU's benefit. We may not readily see the benefit, but to think that ADJW and HCDB are negotiation novices is excessive.

 

[Alsacs]

Respectfully, were you in the negotiations? Serious question. You repeatedly state that the negotiations were bad; therefore, you have insight that has not been properly presented to us. I am not attacking you, rather, asking you to declare your insight or inside information.

You have made your opinion clear. Nobody believes UCan't is a homerun, four-point play, a 97 yard TD play, nor a miracle (on or off ice). However, it is an acceptable deal. No one is telling you that you cannot have an opinion, nor is anyone accepting that you get to form our opinions. I have no desire to play UConn but if HCDB and ADJW are on board, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

You are analyzing the deal in a vacuum. Perhaps ADJW has negotiated a few games with UCan't on hardwood. They certainly do not need SU for the hardwood, they are in the Big East and have plenty of competition.

Your argument regarding SU having greater leverage may be valid, it may not be valid. SU may owe UCan't a favor. The concept that you cannot trust ADJW and HCDB to do what is in the best interest of SU is beyond the pale. ADJW knows far better what SU's negotiating strength is and I am fully confident that he is using any SU advantage for SU's benefit. We may not readily see the benefit, but to think that ADJW and HCDB are negotiation novices is excessive.

Basketball has nothing to do with this.
Jim Boeheim playing 1 of 13 nonconference games at MSG with UConn has nothing to do with football.

The rest of this to quote Orange79 is your opinion. It’s fine if you want to have this faith.
I don’t think Dino Barbers would have anything to do with negotiating contracts. Anything more than hey Dino what do you think of playing team X is about it.

 

[Bayside44]

it isn’t easier. UConn is an unattractive road trip for the die hards. On top of that it is a place we have been a ton already and has nothing around it to do. For the non die hards they are not traveling from the NYC or Boston areas to see that game. Playing UConn is throwing a bone to maybe 500 fans. That shouldn’t outweigh the more attractive locations or better recruiting locations that other schools can offer.

We play once every 12 years in GA. Same in South Florida. VA is once every 6 years. These are all areas where we should be playing more games to take advantage of the ACC footprint. Ohio is surrounded by ACC teams. Adding games OOC in that State all of a sudden makes SU more local.

It's a day trip for normal people with busy lives. We had thousands of people at Maryland who drove an hour give or take and went home. Rutgers will be the same. This is basically that.

You said C-USA, Sun Belt. We aren't going to Birmingham or Marshall or Houston. There isn't anything in VA that's easy outside of UVa. We aren't playing at UGa and not some junk 3rd tier school in GA for that matter.

And, we will win.

 

[HtownOrange]

Basketball has nothing to do with this.
Jim Boeheim playing 1 of 13 nonconference games at MSG with UConn has nothing to do with football.

The rest of this to quote Orange79 is your opinion. It’s fine if you want to have this faith.
I don’t think Dino Barbers would have anything to do with negotiating contracts. Anything more than hey Dino what do you think of playing team X is about it.

Thank you, you have confirmed what most are saying, this is YOUR OPINION. You start with two OPINIONS, and state no FACTS other than paraphrasing a poster that disagrees with you. It is your faith in your own opinion that you are right and everyone else is wrong. It is your opinion, not fact, that you believe in. Note how easily you went from the position that your opinions were fact (see earlier posts) to now admitting you are only spewing your opinion, not fact (see you recent post). Ironically, you criticize me for having an opinion and expressing my opinion while refusing to admit you are only spewing your opinion and presenting it as fact, without support or evidence.

You speak authoritatively and you refuse to prove any points you feebly attempt to make. Since you have authoritatively argued that SU-UConn hoops "has nothing to do with this", you have the duty to PROVE your point. Who is your source? When were you involved in the discussion between the two schools? Who else was negotiating with you?

Anyway, hate the games all you want, no one has an issue with you hating UCan't. Most us do not care about them either.

 

[kcsu]

Syracuse has more leverage than UConn.
Has less a need of nonconference games than UConn.
One team is a P5 league the other isn’t.
UConn got a 4 game home/home.
Please tell me how Syracuse won this deal and it was good negotiations.
Common objective analysis says UConn won the deal. My god you think I want to say this?
We made a bad deal.

No we didn't.
Its 4 wins
Out if we need it with zero penalty
Close game for Fans
Close for recruits
Close for parents
Very modest payment
Cost effective trip for Cuse
NYC coverage
Did i mention 4 wins.

 

[Alsacs]

Thank you, you have confirmed what most are saying, this is YOUR OPINION. You start with two OPINIONS, and state no FACTS other than paraphrasing a poster that disagrees with you. It is your faith in your own opinion that you are right and everyone else is wrong. It is your opinion, not fact, that you believe in. Note how easily you went from the position that your opinions were fact (see earlier posts) to now admitting you are only spewing your opinion, not fact (see you recent post). Ironically, you criticize me for having an opinion and expressing my opinion while refusing to admit you are only spewing your opinion and presenting it as fact, without support or evidence.

You speak authoritatively and you refuse to prove any points you feebly attempt to make. Since you have authoritatively argued that SU-UConn hoops "has nothing to do with this", you have the duty to PROVE your point. Who is your source? When were you involved in the discussion between the two schools? Who else was negotiating with you?

Anyway, hate the games all you want, no one has an issue with you hating UCan't. Most us do not care about them either.

If you want to think Dino Babers has anything to do with negotiating contracts feel free to make that argument just to counter mine.
My goodness the level you take it to try and counter me is funny.
Dino Babers doesn’t have anything to do with it but because you want to say it’s my opinion you can.

If you put lipstick on a pig it’s still a pig.
Just to counter me you take it to the literally level. I promise you we can get a 2-2 4 game series from any G5 team.
The fact you want literal evidence just shut the board down. Outside of CTO nobody has the sources she does.
If you don’t care then you arguing this to argue me. Thosd type of posts are the most annoying types of debate. Because they are not on facts but debates based on the person posting them. You are coming into this not because you care as you said but because I am posting it.

Sorry I don’t give a crap to look at posts you make and just argue the other side because you are stating them. I save my energy for stuff I believe.

 

[Alsacs]

No we didn't.
Its 4 wins
Out if we need it with zero penalty
Close game for Fans
Close for recruits
Close for parents
Very modest payment
Cost effective trip for Cuse
NYC coverage
Did i mention 4 wins.

If you don’t see we have more leverage than UConn I can’t help you.
They need 12 games a season we need 4 games.
They need appealing home games.
We get 4 conference home games a season.
I can’t bother to post this stuff more.
I can’t stand the 4 automatic wins crap we have to win the games before this is a point.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

figured out how to settle this. Ask Kaiser what he thinks. Then ask Swish what he thinks. If you are team Kaiser you know you are right. If you are team Swish you know you are wrong.

 

[sutomcat]

no they don’t. Conn has very few recruits. It isn’t close for the majority of the fan base. I want SU to do exactly as you State. We are on the same page with the logic. I just get that you don’t understand that UConn fits NONE of that.

Glad we agree on the criteria we should be using to schedule OOC.

It appears the disagreement now is down to whether UConn is relatively close for our fan base and whether it is a place where if we play there, it could help recruiting.

Regarding proximity, the stadium UConn plays at is on an interstate, relatively close to Boston, Syracuse, and NYC. Boston is 99 miles away. NYC is 119 miles away. Syracuse is 256. Interstate highways all the way. I consistently get there in less than 3.5 hours. It is easier for me (and anyone from CNY anyway) to get to East Hartford than Boston, Philly, NYC, or even West Point. Only Buffalo would be easier. But Buffalo is good enough that playing them, like Temple, is not a no brainer. Playing and losing to either is a possibility and if we lost to either, it would help legitimize those programs. So for those programs, I am in the camp that we should do it only if they are willing to do a home only or a 2 for 1. Pretty sure that will never happen.

We have a ton of fans in upstate NY, downstate NY, Northern NJ, Connecticut and Massachusetts. Look at the states with the most SU alums. These states are all on the list. No rational person would say East Hartford is not close for most of our fans.

Plus, there is a good setup for tailgating there, we can get good seats and it will be cheap. This is all in marked contrast to other easily drivable away games for SU fans at BC and Rutgers.

Regarding recruiting, Connecticut has a lot of good players. It was a gold mine for us for many years. We haven’t recruited well there since Coach P left but with UConn relegated and BC focusing recruiting on NJ, there is a real opportunity to re-establish ourselves there. Playing games there will also help us recruiting in surrounding areas, including downstate NY, Massachusetts, Northern NJ and upstate NY.

A kid from say Iona Prep in New Rochelle will have a chance to play a lot of games in nearby Syracuse, along with away games at Rutgers, Army and UConn in coming years. This is good for our recruiting in the Northeast and good for our fanbase. The ACC has been great for our athletic program in many respects but it has definitely reduced the number of games fans in the Northeast can easily drive to. This strategy addresses this problem, at least to some extent.

 

[GoSU96]

This thread is priceless

 

[Alsacs]

This thread is priceless

Thanks genius.

 

[TexanMark]

figured out how to settle this. Ask Kaiser what he thinks. Then ask Swish what he thinks. If you are team Kaiser you know you are right. If you are team Swish you know you are wrong.

I had to chuckle at that...brings back memories from some epic threads 10-15 years ago.

 

[Bayside44]

If you want to think Dino Babers has anything to do with negotiating contracts feel free to make that argument just to counter mine.
My goodness the level you take it to try and counter me is funny.
Dino Babers doesn’t have anything to do with it but because you want to say it’s my opinion you can.

If you put lipstick on a pig it’s still a pig.
Just to counter me you take it to the literally level. I promise you we can get a 2-2 4 game series from any G5 team.
The fact you want literal evidence just shut the board down. Outside of CTO nobody has the sources she does.
If you don’t care then you arguing this to argue me. Thosd type of posts are the most annoying types of debate. Because they are not on facts but debates based on the person posting them. You are coming into this not because you care as you said but because I am posting it.

Sorry I don’t give a crap to look at posts you make and just argue the other side because you are stating them. I save my energy for stuff I believe.

Dino has a ton of say over the schedule. Again, this isn't a state secret, plenty of people here have heard it from the horse's mouth.

 

[GoSU96]

Thanks genius.

that’s the first thing you’ve gotten right

 

[TexanMark]

Dino has a ton of say over the schedule. Again, this isn't a state secret, plenty of people here have heard it from the horse's mouth.

I know they run by all future proposed games with him (Babers).

Several folks posting here I know are lawyers or guys who review contracts. The devil is always in the details.

Sure we would like more 2 for 1s but we got a 2 for 2. None of us know all the variables but I think the Dome renovations stringing out for several years really played havoc with the schedule.

If we get 4 wins I'll be okay with it.

 

[Alsacs]

Dino has a ton of say over the schedule. Again, this isn't a state secret, plenty of people here have heard it from the horse's mouth.

Dino does what I said in the post he responded too.
I said the AD goes to the coach before making deals and makes sure they are the same page.
Dino doesn’t negotiate contracts but because I don’t physically know that the poster responded that is an opinion.

 

[Bayside44]

Dino does what I said in the post he responded too.
I said the AD goes to the coach before making deals and makes sure they are the same page.
Dino doesn’t negotiate contracts but because I don’t physically know that the poster responded that is an opinion.

My general point is that they see eye to eye on this stuff (as opposed to say Gross and Marrone).

 

[Chip]

So if I understand this correctly, this entire thread is about one game, at UConn, in 2027, that will likely be backed out of free of charge, because it seems impossible that the ACC will be able to maintain an 8 game conference schedule that long.

I need more free time. Or I don't.

 

[Eric15]

So if I understand this correctly, this entire thread is about one game, at UConn, in 2027

Holy crap I'm going to be 45 years old. I hope I don't need Viagra at that point.

 

[Chip]

Holy crap I'm going to be 45 years old. I hope I don't need Viagra at this point.

I'm 46 now and I choose not to answer this.

 

[Alsacs]

So if I understand this correctly, this entire thread is about one game, at UConn, in 2027, that will likely be backed out of free of charge, because it seems impossible that the ACC will be able to maintain an 8 game conference schedule that long.

I need more free time. Or I don't.

Actually this thread is devolved into people not liking 2 posters and outside of one good actor who is actually debating the merits(Bayside) and becoming fighting the posters rather than just saying we disagree with their points/opinions just debate them.

How many P5 teams agree to 4 games series with G5 teams that are 2-2?

 

[Chip]

How many P5 teams agree to 4 games series with G5 teams that are 2-2?

We're pioneers.

Peace and love.

For the record, I'd rather we play Temple. But I know they're pretty good these days, so no guarantee of 4 Ws.