UConn Coming (2 and 2)

[Bayside44]

You are moving the goal posts. They are doing 1 and done. Don’t expect that from SU.

This is page 8, haven't seen one post on what is a better plan for us.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

cuseguy needs a bone.

Last I checked it's between two pretty big population centers with our people. It's as uncomplicated as it can get.

And good friggin grief, we play in the ACC, you really think our recruiting will be any different with one game against Memphis in September?

it’s a hike for nyc area and Boston area fans. It is easier to get to SU for some NYC fans. You are right it is in the middle but bear nothing.

Yes I think playing games locally makes it easier to recruit. Not a novel concept.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is page 8, haven't seen one post on what is a better plan for us.

already did. Mac sunbelt cusa all better options. As is half the AAC. I know you are that dense that you need actual teams and dates listed.

 

[Bayside44]

already did. Mac sunbelt cusa all better options. As is half the AAC. I know you are that dense that you need actual teams and dates listed.

So basically anywhere else in America, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[FasterCuse]

If we beat Bama and LSU...maybe.

Iowa might be caucusing that weekend.

That weekend or for the entire month?

 

[Bayside44]

it’s a hike for nyc area and Boston area fans. It is easier to get to SU for some NYC fans. You are right it is in the middle but bear nothing.

Yes I think playing games locally makes it easier to recruit. Not a novel concept.

It's the equivalent of driving from Northern Virginia to Charlottesville from both cities.

Playing Clemson and FSU and being on ABC makes it easier to recruit.

 

[TexanMark]

The 2 for 2 doesn't make any sense.
All we did was protect ourselves if the ACC expands to 9 conference games. Then we would be stuck having to dump 1 nonconference game and Syracuse doesn't want to have buyout another game so they have a clause to drop the UConn games without penalty.

It's just insurance so we don't have to pay money to drop another game.

Or the playoffs expand too, second time you missed that detail

 

[Alsacs]

Or the playoffs expand too, second time you missed that detail

Playoffs expanding would have no impact on us opting out. It would be because the conference schedule goes from 8 to 9.
These little opt outs don't justify this deal when UConn had no leverage.

 

[TexanMark]

You are moving the goal posts. They are doing 1 and done. Don’t expect that from SU.

But a 2 for 1 is similar. SU would have to send a significant amount of cash to UConn to get the extra game.

I'm sure SU did the Liberty 2 for 1 because we got favorable terms. Liberty had deep pockets and we were the first P5 team to visit.

I'd like SU to look into a 2, 3 or 4 game series with FAU or FIU opposite to the FSU rotation.

 

[TexanMark]

Playoffs expanding would have no impact on us opting out. It would be because the conference schedule goes from 8 to 9.
These little opt outs don't justify this deal when UConn had no leverage.

Sure it would. Expanding to 6 teams not as much...but if they go 8, 10, 12 or 16 teams it surely would.

If SU is a legit Top 25 team in a few years they could drop Yukon and schedule tougher to improve SoS.

 

[cuseguy]

How many fans we really going to bring to UConn? It is in the middle of nowhere and a PIA for most of our fans to get to? How’s the recruiting in that area? So does that help? The MAC, CUSA, and Sunbelt are full of Tomato cans. How are they not better options?

We have played UConn plenty. They are a stale home game and road trip. Variety is better than 4 games.

cuseguy needs a bone.

Last I checked it's between two pretty big population centers with our people. It's as uncomplicated as it can get.

And good friggin grief, we play in the ACC, you really think our recruiting will be any different with one game against Memphis in September?

I try not to get into this argument anymore but I’ll chime in once more. Rentschler Field is in East Hartford, which is about 90 minutes from a good portion of much of our Northeast fan base. So it’s not in the middle of nowhere. And it’s certainly more appealing, now and then, to play a team like UConn than, say, Akron or UAB.

I’ll never understand the backlash of occasionally playing UConn.

But I’m sure I’ll get a number of offhanded responses claiming it’s beneath us.

 

[Alsacs]

I try not to get into this argument anymore but I’ll chime in once more. Rentschler Field is in East Hartford, which is about 90 minutes from a good portion of much of our Northeast fan base. So it’s not in the middle of nowhere. And it’s certainly more appealing, now and then, to play a team like UConn than, say, Akron or UAB.

I’ll never understand the backlash of occasionally playing UConn.

But I’m sure I’ll get a number of offhanded responses claiming it’s beneath us.

We played Akron 2 for 1.
2008, 2009 at the Dome.
2010 at Akron.

We played Central Michigan 2 for 1.
2014 at CMU. 2015 and 2017 at the Dome.

We can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams that need home games.

UConn doesn’t sell any tickets in football at the Dome. Colgate brings double the visiting fans that they will bring.

Sorry I get you live in CT playing UConn to a series that is 2-2 is just bad terrible negotiating.
It’s a bad job.

 

[cuseguy]

it’s a hike for nyc area and Boston area fans. It is easier to get to SU for some NYC fans. You are right it is in the middle but bear nothing.

Yes I think playing games locally makes it easier to recruit. Not a novel concept.

Syracuse is at least 3-4 hours for most NY area fans. East Hartford is 90 minutes, 2 hours tops, for most NY area fans. Syracuse is 4.5 hours for myself in Connecticut. If Syracuse wants to start scheduling Temple or UMass or Army (more often), that would work as well.

I’ll be honest. Our football and basketball schedules are generally a bore and lack little regional interest. It’s nice that SU is trying throw a bone to its Northeast fans.

 

[Consigliere]

How many fans we really going to bring to UConn? It is in the middle of nowhere and a PIA for most of our fans to get to? How’s the recruiting in that area? So does that help? The MAC, CUSA, and Sunbelt are full of Tomato cans. How are they not better options?

We have played UConn plenty. They are a stale home game and road trip. Variety is better than 4 games.

UConn does not play in Storrs. They play in East Hartford. Really easy drive and we've had very strong turn outs there in the past. Excellent tailgating facilities and a short drive to Mystic Seaport and the casinos as well as some excellent golf if you want to make a weekend of it. I'm looking forward to the trip.

 

[cuseguy]

We played Akron 2 for 1.
2008, 2009 at the Dome.
2010 at Akron.

We played Central Michigan 2 for 1.
2014 at CMU. 2015 and 2017 at the Dome.

We can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams that need home games.

UConn doesn’t sell any tickets in football at the Dome. Colgate brings double the visiting fans that they will bring.

Sorry I get you live in CT playing UConn to a series that is 2-2 is just bad terrible negotiating.
It’s a bad job.

I’ve been to see an SU game at Akron. We should never settle for less than 2 for one with them. It was like attending a high school game. And neither Akron or CMU bring much in the way of fans to SU. Sure, a 2 for 1 is the better deal with UConn, but until we start posting winning seasons on a consistent basis, we don’t have a ton of leverage.

 

[Consigliere]

We played Akron 2 for 1.
2008, 2009 at the Dome.
2010 at Akron.

We played Central Michigan 2 for 1.
2014 at CMU. 2015 and 2017 at the Dome.

We can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams that need home games.

UConn doesn’t sell any tickets in football at the Dome. Colgate brings double the visiting fans that they will bring.

Sorry I get you live in CT playing UConn to a series that is 2-2 is just bad terrible negotiating.
It’s a bad job.

You have a valid argument and I'm sure we are all disappointed not to get a 2 for 1. The bad job of scheduling however was having an FBS opening two seasons out. And having 7 home games already scheduled so it had to be a roadie. With the focus on scheduling very winnable games OOC there are very few options. Just checked the MAC schedules and the only teams with openings are Kent State and Western Michigan. Old Dominion might have been a good option. Good recruiting area, very winnable and they have an opening, but beyond that I can't find many others. Agree this should have been locked up three or four years ago, but given the factors I don't see this as a disaster of biblical proportions.

 

[Consigliere]

already did. Mac sunbelt cusa all better options. As is half the AAC. I know you are that dense that you need actual teams and dates listed.

Find the teams in those conferences with a 2022 opening. I'll wait....

 

[Consigliere]

Goal is to schedule 7 home games three out of evey four years. Mission accomplished in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2025. Jury is out on 2024 with one FBS game left to schedule. 2026 is locked with 6 home games.

 

[sutomcat]

We played Akron 2 for 1.
2008, 2009 at the Dome.
2010 at Akron.

We played Central Michigan 2 for 1.
2014 at CMU. 2015 and 2017 at the Dome.

We can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams that need home games.

UConn doesn’t sell any tickets in football at the Dome. Colgate brings double the visiting fans that they will bring.

Sorry I get you live in CT playing UConn to a series that is 2-2 is just bad terrible negotiating.
It’s a bad job.

I think your suggestion to play home and homes with teams from the other division of the ACC is a bad one. I am not sure why you want to do this. But it doesn't matter.

We need to win as many OOC games as possible. Our goal is (and should be) to get to a point where we go to a bowl game every season.

Playing 2 P5 teams OOC in the same season will not help us get to that goal. It is ill advised for a program trying to re-establish itself.

Now if you are switching your scheduling plan now to focus on getting 2 for 1s, I agree this is a good thing to pursue. To your credit, you realize that we are already doing this and have scheduled a number of 2 for 1s with MAC schools. This is not a new concept you have come up with.

You appear to have confidence we can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams whenever we want them. I don't believe this is the case. The huge cash home only buy games the big programs are handing out like candy have changed the playing field. A bunch of MAC schools are signing up for these in lieu of playing 2 for 1s with schools like Syracuse (UB, Kent State, Akron, et al).

I believe we are trying our best to get 2 for 1s but it is a difficult task for a school like ours, with a small stadium and a smallish fan base. There aren't many opportunities out there and the longer we wait for them, our options become fewer and less attractive.

Keep your day job. I am sure you are a lot better at it than football scheduling.

 

[MSOrange]

Goal is to schedule 7 home games three out of evey four years. Mission accomplished in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2025. Jury is out on 2024 with one FBS game left to schedule. 2026 is locked with 6 home games.

There is no way we wouldn't get a FBS at home in 2024 is there?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I try not to get into this argument anymore but I’ll chime in once more. Rentschler Field is in East Hartford, which is about 90 minutes from a good portion of much of our Northeast fan base. So it’s not in the middle of nowhere. And it’s certainly more appealing, now and then, to play a team like UConn than, say, Akron or UAB.

I’ll never understand the backlash of occasionally playing UConn.

But I’m sure I’ll get a number of offhanded responses claiming it’s beneath us.

We should play them occasionally. My issue is we play them often. Fans are more likely to go to that roadie if it isn’t often. What incentive is there to go to a tomato can game if it happens more than once a decade? Especially with BC games every other year?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Syracuse is at least 3-4 hours for most NY area fans. East Hartford is 90 minutes, 2 hours tops, for most NY area fans. Syracuse is 4.5 hours for myself in Connecticut. If Syracuse wants to start scheduling Temple or UMass or Army (more often), that would work as well.

I’ll be honest. Our football and basketball schedules are generally a bore and lack little regional interest. It’s nice that SU is trying throw a bone to its Northeast fans.

No one East of the Hudson in the NYC area is getting there in 90 mins. No one in NYC itself or Ling Island is either. Even coming from West Chester is a PIA with the Connecticut traffic.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Find the teams in those conferences with a 2022 opening. I'll wait...

Well that is part of the issue. If you wait till the end you are left with few options and need to agree to 2 and 2. That is a poor job by the AD.

 

[orange79]

This isn't a LOL situation. When everything I said was true.
UConn won this deal. It's not even a debate.
They got a P5 team to play them and not just play them home/home for 2 games but 4 games.

Syracuse has to schedule 4 nonconference games a year. It is really 3 nonconference games a year as we play a FBS team every year.
UConn has to schedule 12 games a year. They have no conference games.

UConn has no leverage. We don't have to play them. We gave them a sweetheart deal. It's not hard to comprehend when people don't try to spin this deal.

But yeah its funny.

UConn is paying us what we are paying them. Fact
UConn won this deal. Opinion
They have no conference and have to schedule 12 games a year. Fact
They got the 3rd closest P5 team(BC/RU) to them to play agree to them as equals 4 games 2 at home and 2 on the road. Fact

That is a slam dunk pantsing by UConn. Opinion
Of course they wouldn’t get a high paycheck they are getting an equal number of home games. Probably fact

This deal was a terrible job at negotiation with a team that has no leverage. Opinion

Opinions aren't true or false, by their very nature.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think your suggestion to play home and homes with teams from the other division of the ACC is a bad one. I am not sure why you want to do this. But it doesn't matter.

We need to win as many OOC games as possible. Our goal is (and should be) to get to a point where we go to a bowl game every season.

Playing 2 P5 teams OOC in the same season will not help us get to that goal. It is ill advised for a program trying to re-establish itself.

Now if you are switching your scheduling plan now to focus on getting 2 for 1s, I agree this is a good thing to pursue. To your credit, you realize that we are already doing this and have scheduled a number of 2 for 1s with MAC schools. This is not a new concept you have come up with.

You appear to have confidence we can get 2 for 1s with MAC teams whenever we want them. I don't believe this is the case. The huge cash home only buy games the big programs are handing out like candy have changed the playing field. A bunch of MAC schools are signing up for these in lieu of playing 2 for 1s with schools like Syracuse (UB, Kent State, Akron, et al).

I believe we are trying our best to get 2 for 1s but it is a difficult task for a school like ours, with a small stadium and a smallish fan base. There aren't many opportunities out there and the longer we wait for them, our options become fewer and less attractive.

Keep your day job. I am sure you are a lot better at it than football scheduling.

Math says you are wrong. There are a handful of big programs handing out cash. They are taking 1-2 G5 teams a year. That still leaves a ton of other G5 teams that need 1-2 P5 OOC games. The G5 needs more inventory to complete their OOC schedule tgan the entire P5 can fulfill.