UGH...DINO HOT SEAT ODDS

[cuse309]

He has done nothing since then to change my opinion of him. His insights run from mundane to just plain wrong. He your uncle ?

No I just disagree. You seem angry.

 

[David321]

I’m not crazy about Dino because of his time mismanagement and seemingly inability to help our recruiting (not sure if that’s his fault though). But the players seem to love him and I like his support of the 3-3-5 defense and he hit it out of the park with the new OC and QB coach.

So.. it’s complicated.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

That's fair. Point being, we won 8 games in a season that propelled Marrone to the NFL. And despite losing our QB, top OL, and top WRs, Shafer managed to win 7 the next year. Maybe Marrone would have won 9 or 10, who knows. But Shafer did alright in year 1. It was year 2 when the wheels came off.

I agree with that. Although his year 2 in terms of types of teams he lost to was consistent with his year 1. His year 2 we played 8 Top 50 teams and we went 0-8. That is 3 extra Ls, which is the difference between 6-6 and 3-9. He also lost to #61. Shafer was 3-0 against teams 96 or higher in year 2.

It is hard to image that people didn't want him fired when he was...

Sagarin
Top 60 1-20 (W was in Bowl vs #58, no regular season Ws)
61-75 3-3
76-90 2-0
90+ 8-0

 

[storange]

No I just disagree. You seem angry.

Ha , not really, I’m not a big fan of a lot of sports media, there are a few good ones, it’s just overkill, you can get 12 hours a day of NFL talk on the ESPN family , and that’s off season. ( yea I know , don’t watch … and I don’t for the most part.

 

[Roger N]

Brent still sucks

I think I read one article by him and that was it. He has little talent.

 

[kcsu]

Show me another P5 school in this century that has kept a coach with one winning season in their first 6 years and came back for a 7th season.

Dino is a Unicorn

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Brent still sucks

I'd rather hate him for his general suckitude and not for things he didn't even say.

 

[qdawgg]

It’s ridiculous Dino could be considered on the hot seat. Absolutely ridiculous…….

 

[CanadianSU]

Oh trust me I don’t disagree

I actually felt he should have been fired after last season

However, I have it from pretty reputable sources that there is little to zero chance of him being fired

no bowl and keeping ones coach at another losing record would even lose some diehard fans.

that said, let’s hope it won’t come to that !

 

[javadoc]

Brent posted this. I wonder if there's a thought that the assistants are at the ready if we start out terribly and JW has Bronco on speed dial

Zero point zero

 

[hoopsupstate]

If he comes back next year without an extension, you can forget about recruiting and coaches will be looking for other jobs.

 

[TheCusian]

Show me another P5 school in this century that has kept a coach with one winning season in their first 6 years and came back for a 7th season.

Aye - that’s not what he did.

He beat a ranked conference team in year 1
He beat #2 ranked conference team in year 2
He won 10 games and got an extension

*all P5 schools in our tier would do exactly the same*

He hit his extension at the right time and Covid, that’s it, pretty much the whole story.

 

[gmoney44]

Aye - that’s not what he did.

He beat a ranked conference team in year 1
He beat #2 ranked conference team in year 2
He won 10 games and got an extension

*all P5 schools in our tier would do exactly the same*

He hit his extension at the right time and Covid, that’s it, pretty much the whole story.

That’s exactly what he’s done in addition to those things you have mentioned. You can’t find another P5 school that has keep a coach with 5 of 6 losing seasons.

 

[elimunelson]

Aye - that’s not what he did.

He beat a ranked conference team in year 1
He beat #2 ranked conference team in year 2
He won 10 games and got an extension

*all P5 schools in our tier would do exactly the same*

He hit his extension at the right time and Covid, that’s it, pretty much the whole story.

All fair. To me the comp is Addazio at BC. He basically went 500 absent the 1 clunker year, beat USC and meatheaded his way to 500 seasons. He went to 6 bowls in 7 seasons. We would have an Addazio statue at Syracuse for that.

At a certain point the marriage dissolved because they wanted a touch more. Tom O’Brien was that touch more which was 1-2 more wins a year. If Steve did that he’d still be at BC.

My point is we need Addazio results ar Syracuse and I think people would accept Dino long term.

 

[kcsu]

I don’t agree with it, but I’m telling you right now

Dino is here in 2023 regardless of how this season goes, unless we lose to UCONN AND Wagner

I just want him to let the White and Dr A call the shots, not waste time outs and basically turn game day decisions over to them.

 

[JRHEETER]

I just want him to let the White and Dr A call the shots, not waste time outs and basically turn game day decisions over to them.

I’ve heard that’s the plan

I think Dino is going to take the more CEO type roll and I think that’s a good thing

We shall this if that’s actually the case

 

[PAcuse]

Brent is the worst...

 

[Finwad32]

I’ve heard that’s the plan

I think Dino is going to take the more CEO type roll and I think that’s a good thing

We shall this if that’s actually the case

I’d hope so, but usually the CEO types control the game management.

He needs to turn it over or have an analytics assistant standing next to him because he doesn’t have a strong track record of making good decisions quickly in the heat of the moment.

I’d feel better about it if he owned up to it instead of doubling down on his clock management prowess. Acknowledge, adapt and improve.

I coached with Homer Smith’s grandson on the offensive side of the ball. All of us routinely, as an offensive staff talked situations and had a card for in game decisions. I would argue that any kid who grew up playing Madden has a strong understanding of game management, just because it’s inherent to know what to do bc you get so many “in-game” reps.

 

[MSOrange]

I’d hope so, but usually the CEO types control the game management.

He needs to turn it over or have an analytics assistant standing next to him because he doesn’t have a strong track record of making good decisions quickly in the heat of the moment.

I’d feel better about it if he owned up to it instead of doubling down on his clock management prowess. Acknowledge, adapt and improve.

I coached with Homer Smith’s grandson on the offensive side of the ball. All of us routinely, as an offensive staff talked situations and had a card for in game decisions. I would argue that any kid who grew up playing Madden has a strong understanding of game management, just because it’s inherent to know what to do bc you get so many “in-game” reps.

The lack of ownership bothers me too. I don't expect him to see "Oh yeah I really ***ed that up. ADJW should fire me" - just maybe something like "We evaluate everything after a game,, including myself and whether we're making the best situation decisions." not "I think I'm really good at it" when there is evidence that's not necessarily the case.

 

[kcsu]

The lack of ownership bothers me too. I don't expect him to see "Oh yeah I really ***ed that up. ADJW should fire me" - just maybe something like "We evaluate everything after a game,, including myself and whether we're making the best situation decisions." not "I think I'm really good at it" when there is evidence that's not necessarily the case.

I was listening to Brown last night on ACCN and was impressed with how he owns issues. Dino might want to watch his interview. I just hope that we don't see the wild eyes calling two timeouts while he decides what to do and then the unit rushing onto the field unprepared. I also hope that we don't see Shrader begging for the plays to come in with the clock winding down

 

[Cuse'91]

I wonder what the dynamic will be on GameDays? Anae in the booth, and Beck on the sidelines?

 

[Hoo's That]

I wonder what the dynamic will be on GameDays? Anae in the booth, and Beck on the sidelines?

The past couple of years, it was the opposite; Anae was on the sideline. Armstrong used the sideline telephone to talk to Beck when necessary.

 

[TheCusian]

All fair. To me the comp is Addazio at BC. He basically went 500 absent the 1 clunker year, beat USC and meatheaded his way to 500 seasons. He went to 6 bowls in 7 seasons. We would have an Addazio statue at Syracuse for that.

At a certain point the marriage dissolved because they wanted a touch more. Tom O’Brien was that touch more which was 1-2 more wins a year. If Steve did that he’d still be at BC.

My point is we need Addazio results ar Syracuse and I think people would accept Dino long term.

Comps and what we want is irrelevant in this case. The first three years it looked like we were on our way and gave him an extension, correctly.

We all want better. (And for the record, I’d take yearly ranked wins and a 10 win season over 6-6. Give me a higher ceiling than sustained mediocrity. Obviously, I understand the reverse of that argument)

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I mean the guys with shorter odds just got fired and lost their jobs. Kinda figures. We also have the next head coach on our staff 100%.

 

[ECE '76]

Just a reminder, in Dick MacPherson's 7th year as Syracuse head coach, the team went 11–0–1 and played the SEC champion in the Sugar Bowl. Carry on.