Unacceptable.

[dasher]

90-81 is not routed. Come on.

Everyone says it is when we lose by that much

 

[pearl31]

90-81 is not routed. Come on.

They were down like 20 in the 2nd half

 

[OrangeDW]

They were down like 20 in the 2nd half

Yeah. It seems to me there are tight games that turn into 9 point losses because of fouls and free throws at the end.

There are blowouts that turn into 9 point losses because of some garbage time points that make the score look respectable.

And then there are the largely competitive games where one team is a little better and wins convincingly enough by 9...never a rout but also never a real doubt on who would win.

I didn’t watch that game to know what it was. Sounds like the second one if they were down 20 in the second half?

 

[SoBeCuse]

Yeah. It seems to me there are tight games that turn into 9 point losses because of fouls and free throws at the end.

There are blowouts that turn into 9 point losses because of some garbage time points that make the score look respectable.

And then there are the largely competitive games where one team is a little better and wins convincingly enough by 9...never a rout but also never a real doubt on who would win.

I didn’t watch that game to know what it was. Sounds like the second one if they were down 20 in the second half?

MTSU’s largest lead was 62-53 in the 2H. Not 20. It was a one possession game the whole way from 4:00 to 1:00 left. Then the free throw/fouling happened at the very end. It was a good one.

 

[pearl31]

MTSU’s largest lead was 62-53 in the 2H. Not 20. It was a one possession game the whole way from 4:00 to 1:00 left. Then the free throw/fouling happened at the very end. It was a good one.

ok, thanks, remembered wrong - fairly certain MSU never had the lead in the game tho

 

[SoBeCuse]

ok, thanks, remembered wrong - fairly certain MSU never had the lead in the game tho

I think so. 76-77 I think was the closest MSU got with a few minutes left. They just couldn’t seize momentum. Giddy Potts and that red headed 1/2 black guy just couldn’t be stopped.

 

[Alsacs]

I believe it is 4-25 But it's bad regardless

Izzo is 1-5 against Jim Boeheim.
He’s 2-7 against Roy Williams.
He’s 1-11 against Mike Krzyzewski.
That is how I got 4-23.
It’s actually 3-23 vs. UNC/SU/Duke as one of those wins against Roy was while he was at Kansas.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Izzo is 1-5 against Jim Boeheim.
He’s 2-7 against Roy Williams.
He’s 1-11 against Mike Krzyzewski.
That is how I got 4-23.
It’s actually 3-23 vs. UNC/SU/Duke as one of those wins against Roy was while he was at Kansas.

How about VS Self, Calipari, and Pitino? Too lazy to look it up

 

[Alsacs]

How about VS Self, Calipari, and Pitino? Too lazy to look it up

Izzo is 4-3 against Self at Kansas 9-5 when counting Illinois.
Izzo is 2-1 against Calipari
Izzo is 2-1 against Pitino all 3 matchups in Elite 8.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Izzo is 4-3 against Self at Kansas 9-5 when counting Illinois.
Izzo is 2-1 against Calipari
Izzo is 2-1 against Pitino all 3 matchups in Elite 8.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[orangehipfan]

Really? How so? Did we not make the final four in 2016? Did we not beat the #1 seed to get there? I asked that he make his argument without saying that 2016 was luck. That seems reasonable to me.

I said we caught a break in 2016 when the 2 seed got upset, and then took advantage of it, congrats to the team. The four game run to the final four in the last 5 seasons has been really one of only few bright spots in the last 5 years. I think even you would agree the trend is not one of an elite, consistent program. The big question is does it get better. I think we need 11 - 12 ACC wins this year to whiff the NCAA tournament, 8 -10 is not doing this year. 10 - 8 with no wins over UVA, UNC, Duke won't cut it. We have no room for error.

You do seem to be connected tot he program and I am interested in your take on next year, ie - Battle & Brissett, freshman impact etc.

 

[orangehipfan]

The idea that we’d beat MSU in 2016 because we beat a completely different MSU team in 2018 by one possession is not a hill I would choose to die on but hey, I want to see where this goes.

we agree on something. scary.

 

[HOFCeluck]

we agree on something. scary.

Ok I literally did lol at this.