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USC Fires Clay Helton

This is a top 2 worst fan base along with notre dame. 11 years in SoCal and I realized just how annoying USC people truly are. They don’t wave to each other, they do a peace sign and say “fight on”. It’s like a weird secret society where everyone is an entitled POS. So therefore franklin fits in perfect
 
I have to say that after our game, I was looking forward to one of my "family" schools to make me feel better. Mostly USC where my son has undergrad and grad degrees from. Boy was I disappointed. The Saturday "safe" plan fell through. And that is why USC fired Helton already. They were #14 and killed at home by Stanford. I get it. Big boys in football don't mess around.
 
Schiano is a good coach. If Rutgers goes bowling somehow it’ll be a testament to him.

The ruckers offense was worse than ours and you think ‘if they go bowling’. Outside of Delaware they might not win another game.
 
But will he? The defense seems to play a ton of guys. The offense just doesn't seem that way to me. It seems like we run the same guys out there, time after time, whether they are getting the job done or not. We don't seem to play the back-ups nearly as much.

I guess in coach-speak, the justification is that "we have the best chance to win with the more experienced guys" - but in an offense with no playbook* (*supposedly), what is so damn hard about this offense? It's not the zone blocking, that's way simpler to execute than a lot of intricate traps and counters; it's not the same 6 or 8 plays we always call that seem to comprise 85% of our total play calls.

Taking what the defense gives you is hard? Isn't that what players try to do in every sport situation? Find the open spaces, get the defender going one way, and then you go the other.

Can't the QB read where the player is going to be by looking at which way the defender is going? It's the QB's 5th year in the system. If it takes 5 years to learn a system, guess what? That's too damn long!

I think so, yes. That's all I got on that! :)
 
Schiano > Babers

I wonder who the interim USC guy is and if we shouldn’t be calling him since he’s a Syracuse guy who is a monster recruiter
Maybe?

I think they are both mediocre. You can make the case in either direction, but not worth the effort. I just wouldn’t use “good”
 
Helton was perpetually on the hot seat. Losing badly to Stanford (who looked helpless against K State in week 1), combined with Chip Kelly beating LSU, I'm not surprised they acted this quickly.

Frost has the return of the old rivalry game that the college football season used to revolve around. Lose badly to an Oklahoma team that figured out how to evolve long ago, and he jumps quickly to #1. Play them competitively and his leash gets a little longer. Beat them, and the Illinois game is forgotten.
 
Maybe?

I think they are both mediocre. You can make the case in either direction, but not worth the effort. I just wouldn’t use “good”

Greg went to what, 6 bowls for Rutgers. Also was hired as an NFL HC.

There's no real debate who's the better coach IMO. He's a good coach. If he finds 6 wins in the Big 10 this year he will be in demand once again. I wonder if his loyalty to Rutgers is strong to stop those overtures.
 
If Franklin leaves for USC, will Moorhead be a prime candidate for the PS job? What about Urban Meyers to PS after he bolts the NFL after one year? Matt Campbell would be a great p/u if this transpires.
 
Greg went to what, 6 bowls for Rutgers. Also was hired as an NFL HC.

There's no real debate who's the better coach IMO. He's a good coach. If he finds 6 wins in the Big 10 this year he will be in demand once again. I wonder if his loyalty to Rutgers is strong to stop those overtures.

Ug. This using bowl appearances as a litmus is lame and doesn't tell you much. "He took a bunch of teams to .500 vs a schedule that no one remembers"... He flamed out as a NFL coach after riding a wave of mediocre seasons. The Big East stunk. His winning % will suffer in the B1G just like Dino's has in the ACC.

As I said, it's close:

HCWin %SRS (How good they are 0.0 is average)SOS (How hard was the schedule, 0.0 is average)
Babers (BG, MAC - SYR, ACC).483-0.010.75
Schiano (Rutgers, BE-B1G).5000.69-0.15

Also, .500 vs a average schedule is not a "good coach" IMO
 
If Franklin leaves for USC, will Moorhead be a prime candidate for the PS job? What about Urban Meyers to PS after he bolts the NFL after one year? Matt Campbell would be a great p/u if this transpires.
Luke Fickell would be perfect for Penn State.
He is a B1G type of coach and could do damage there.
 
Ug. This using bowl appearances as a litmus is lame and doesn't tell you much. "He took a bunch of teams to .500 vs a schedule that no one remembers"... He flamed out as a NFL coach after riding a wave of mediocre seasons. The Big East stunk. His winning % will suffer in the B1G just like Dino's has in the ACC.

As I said, it's close:

HCWin %SRS (How good they are 0.0 is average)SOS (How hard was the schedule, 0.0 is average)
Babers (BG, MAC - SYR, ACC).483-0.010.75
Schiano (Rutgers, BE-B1G).5000.69-0.15

Also, .500 vs a average schedule is not a "good coach" IMO
Anyone who really dislikes Rutgers (count me in) should hope that Schiano does great the rest of this year and then moves on. It’s a twofer; he’ll flame out at the new job and Rutgers has shown itself completely incapable of hiring anyone else who can win more than 2 games. Even they would not bring him back for a third go around.
 
Greg went to what, 6 bowls for Rutgers. Also was hired as an NFL HC.

There's no real debate who's the better coach IMO. He's a good coach. If he finds 6 wins in the Big 10 this year he will be in demand once again. I wonder if his loyalty to Rutgers is strong to stop those overtures.

Except he’s not winning 6 games so it’s a moot issue. Winning a terrible game, playing terribly against a terrible team doesn’t make him some hero.
 
Anyone who really dislikes Rutgers (count me in) should hope that Schiano does great the rest of this year and then moves on. It’s a twofer; he’ll flame out at the new job and Rutgers has shown itself completely incapable of hiring anyone else who can win more than 2 games. Even they would not bring him back for a third go around.


Plus their financial situation seems to be depending on him turning them around - and quickly.
 
Things have gotten so crazy in CFB. At some point I think you see a HC leave midseason for another job to get a head start. Penn State has no shot at winning the B1G East. If Franklin really wants the USC job why not go there now? You get to evaluate the current players and can recruit right away. It is a scum move but it makes sense. It also kinda helps Penn State get out and look for his replacement earlier.
 

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