VA TECH Post Game

[phil77]

 

[twinight]

It might be better to shut the program down for a year and restart in 26-27 season.

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

 

[Cusefan0307]

SMU has scored 100+ points 5 times and 90+ points an additional 4 times.

This could be a 2006 DePaul like outcome.

 

[phil77]

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

Just move on from JB and Red period ZERO reason to go back to JB. Trying to move off of JB was the reason why we are stuck with Red in the first place.

 

[Giants1973]

Blow it up.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I’m proud that Red knows the word “defense”.

I think he actually used the word “defense” appropriately in his press conference.

I also think he recognizes what bad “defense” looks like.

I think he even realizes what bad “defense” results in.

The major problem is Red nor anyone else on the team can actually coach or play “defense”.

 

[hoopsupstate]

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

You’re out of your mind.

 

[kcsu]

Players have to make plays and we don’t have enough of them when it really matters. JJ really hurt us defending Young. He just had his way with him and JJ didn’t really put up much resistance. I have a feeling Eddie was either ill or hurting today. He went out a lot. Really tough loss. We have to grind put every possession and if teams keep us from scoring in the paint we’re toast. VT has shooters and it gives them so many more ways to score. I thought Eddie was very unassertive in the second half. He seemed out of it. Carlos is Carlos and he tries to do what he can do, but our backcourt defense is not good and our bigs only compound the problem.

Its coaching for sure but the biggest problem is Talent. When your go to guy is J Davis you're in trouble.

 

[sufan59]

Its coaching for sure but the biggest problem is Talent. When your go to guy is J Davis you're in trouble.

Talent? After a loss to VT! A program that is actually really struggling with NIL. Not the day for the talent narrative.

 

[kcsu]

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

Sweet dreams twinight. Beddy bye time.

 

[BlackSquirrels]

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

James Arthur Boeheim was sleeping in his office at the helm of an eventual FINAL FOUR team 12 years ago. You think he’s going to have the energy to coach as a lame duck in 2026?

 

[hoopsupstate]

I’m proud that Red knows the word “defense”.

I think he actually used the word “defense” appropriately in his press conference.

I also think he recognizes what bad “defense” looks like.

I think he even realizes what bad “defense” results in.

The major problem is Red nor anyone else on the team can actually coach or play “defense”.

They seem to play decent defense in stretches, but when we stop scoring the defense gets even worse. They just can’t sustain it for forty minutes. Our biggest problem on defense is our inability to show on screens. Half of VT’s offense came on little ball screens with no one there to meet the dribbler. Lampkin just camps in the paint and never helps. Our guards do not defend well, but this is really the killer to our defense. Red knows it and doesn’t really have an answer to it. Neither McLeod or Lampkin can defend the pick and roll. Earlier in the year the bigs were all hedging high, but they were getting killed by not recovering. I guess you pick your poison. Neither is exceptable. I’m anxious to see what our portal fix is going to be. One thing I know is White can defend the screen and roll, but he can’t do it by himself.

 

[phil77]

Its coaching for sure but the biggest problem is Talent. When your go to guy is J Davis you're in trouble.

Terrible excuse today, we were the more talented team today, can't say that every time, but today VA Tech was down their best player, so today we had the most talent on the court. Now JJ didn't play like the best player on the court, but that is different than being the most TALENTED. Today we 1000% lost because of coaching not because of talent.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Terrible excuse today, we were the more talented team today, can't say that every time, but today VA Tech was down their best player, so today we had the most talent on the court. Now JJ didn't play like the best player on the court, but that is different than being the most TALENTED. Today we 1000% lost because of coaching not because of talent.

I would take Hammond and Young over any of our wing players and Schuitt is better than any of our small forwards. Poteat is a decent big and so was the big lefty. The talent level was not much different in this game. We came out ready and VT didn’t.

 

[Cusefan95]

People think I'm crazy, but I suggested—if a new excellent head coach option couldn't be identified and brought in quickly—that we should bring Boeheim back for a year.

• It would give us time to identify a really promising head coach.
• It would give us the best chance to hold onto Kiyan Anthony and others and also to potentially bring in some portal players who want to play under a HOF coach on a one-year run.
• It would generate some excitement in the media and the fan base, specifically next year with Anthony.
• It would be a move with a pre-determined end-date, so it provides some stability even while things are up in the air.

I'm not saying it's a better idea than bringing in a proven coach who is available, but I think it's a better idea than hoping for an incremental improvement with Autry or brining in someone who is a crap shoot just to have someone new here.

btw, there is someone in a position of power in SU athletics who loves this idea (no, it's not JB).

Bringing back JB is worse than rolling Red out for another year…so it would totally make sense someone in a position of power supports the idea.

There’s promising coaches every year, if we need more time to identify one that just means the AD is incompetent. And based on how JB left, I wouldn’t be confident of any “firm end-date” if he came back…he’ll probably need to be pried off the bench with a crowbar all over again. I don’t think him coming back will generate any excitement considering everyone that wasn’t his buddy wanted JB gone at least two years ago. It’s a fantasy that there’s any upside at all to bringing JB back - I question the sanity of anyone who would ever consider it.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

They seem to play decent defense in stretches, but when we stop scoring the defense gets even worse. They just can’t sustain it for forty minutes. Our biggest problem on defense is our inability to show on screens. Half of VT’s offense came on little ball screens with no one there to meet the dribbler. Lampkin just camps in the paint and never helps. Our guards do not defend well, but this is really the killer to our defense. Red knows it and doesn’t really have an answer to it. Neither McLeod or Lampkin can defend the pick and roll. Earlier in the year the bigs were all hedging high, but they were getting killed by not recovering. I guess you pick your poison. Neither is exceptable. I’m anxious to see what our portal fix is going to be. One thing I know is White can defend the screen and roll, but he can’t do it by himself.

Crazy that Red stacked half his rosters with guards that can’t defend, shoot or play point. It’s like he’s king of the misfit guards.

 

[phil77]

I would take Hammond and Young over any of our wing players and Schuitt is better than any of our small forwards. Poteat is a decent big and so was the big lefty. The talent level was not much different in this game. We came out ready and VT didn’t.

I think Young played very well, but I don't think he is more talented than JJ. He played better than him today that is for sure, nobody is arguing that, but that is different than talent. Young also looks like he has had better coaching on basketball fundamentals but again, that isn't talent but coaching.

 

[tbonezone]

It’s like he’s king of the misfit guards.

"just try to get past me... i may be glued to the ground but i still have 6" vertical !"

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Its coaching for sure but the biggest problem is Talent. When your go to guy is J Davis you're in trouble.

You're a good poster, but the only time we've seen talent succeed with Red was last year... when they rebelled in-game.

And we didn't even sniff the tourney.

We're never coming back if the AD doesn't demand excellence from the HC. It all starts there.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The major problem is Red nor anyone else on the team can actually coach or play “defense”.

There’s a big difference between understanding defense vs being able to teach it and holding your players accountable.

 

[Janner]

Man! That pesky hi pick and roll is just impossible to defend. I wish one day someone somewhere could figure out how to come up with a way to defend this unicorn of a play thats plagued us game in and game out all season... FFS, the signs and neon lights are screaming the OBVIOUS. Fire. This. Trainwreck. Coach. Please! You have a team of seniors who looks absolutely lost on defending the most basic play in college basketball. Completely lost. It isn't that hard to figure out guys.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

You're a good poster, but the only time we've seen talent succeed with Red was last year... when they rebelled in-game.

And we didn't even sniff the tourney.

We're never coming back if the AD doesn't demand excellence from the HC. It all starts there.

Red hasn’t proven he can coach talent up. If anything, he coaches talent down. He has two McD AA on this team, which is more than we’ve had in the past decade. Even when JJ and Donnie were on the floor together we weren’t a good team.

He’s also struggling to coach SENIORS. It’s not like this is their first time in college basketball.

There’s far more evidence that Red cannot coach than there is to suggest he can coach.

 

[Sherman20]

Watching Seton Hall vs St. John’s in a sold out MSG on CBS just adds insult to injury.

Makes me want to vomit.

 

[baggerbob]

You'd think that would provide some motivation from the AD to move forward, especially with the potential media attention brought by Anthony and company.

Instead, any source of excitement for next year is dead, unless you're an insider that wants one more year of access and fears an outsider (read: actual coach) coming in and restructuring. Literally the only people I know that are not outraged and vocal about a potential Red Year 3 are people who actually know the guy personally.

For the good of the program: GET OVER IT!

Look the people to blame are the ones who let JB stay beyond the time he should have retired. That would be the Chancellor, big donors, and the BOT.
They were the only ones who could have gotten a new coach and they didn't.
It's to late now to start a search for a new coach this year, so hope for the best in the offseason and go from there.

 

[kingtidge]

The sad thing is these games are so bad that often I can only get my dog Buddy to watch them on TV with me.

KS/BOT will be asking serious questions after the season ticket renewals I bet.

If the attendances are really bad and gameday revenues are in the toilet, I could see Wildhack being fired to cast blame.

It won't be his fault, of course, since all these bad decisions have been at the BOT level, but I have little doubt they'd push him off the cliff if they need to.