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I graduated in '02 and was president of my fraternity for a period of my time involved.

Assuming it is somewhat like it was back then, I would say, as a general rule, to check it out if he is interested and to only do it if he feels really strongly about his experience meeting all the guys.

It's easy to be sucked into that world and then have your experience at school, especially socially, be dictated by what the fraternity is doing. If he finds the right place and feels comfortable, it should help enhance his experience at SU rather than define it.

Never make a choice that he isn't comfortable with and make sure he knows just how much of a commitment it is - time, money, etc.

Remember, these are organizations run by college kids (at a certain level).

Anyway, happy to expound on my experience if you'd like. I had a great time, but there are two sides to everything.
 
OrangeBlood said:
AEPi. Rak was a honorary member!

I was president of AEPI on the SU campus way back in - wait for it - 1979.

I used to watch Danny Schayes shooting hoops at Sammy directly behind us. Best times of my life - I literally went in a boy and left a man. And not just a man, but one who honed leadership skills at a pretty young age. Had to, it was sink or swim trying to manage 30-40 guys most of whom I am still friends with.

As many have discussed, it can be really great or probably really bad. I would say that it probably magnifies whatever you are destined to become (either bad or good) because you can learn leadership skills and grow and take advantage of it as I did or you can totally crap out really easy too.

I know you didn't ask for feedback for an older graduate like me Rick, but when I saw Rak and AEPI I had to chime in lol.
 
I graduated in '02 and was president of my fraternity for a period of my time involved.

Assuming it is somewhat like it was back then, I would say, as a general rule, to check it out if he is interested and to only do it if he feels really strongly about his experience meeting all the guys.

It's easy to be sucked into that world and then have your experience at school, especially socially, be dictated by what the fraternity is doing. If he finds the right place and feels comfortable, it should help enhance his experience at SU rather than define it.

Never make a choice that he isn't comfortable with and make sure he knows just how much of a commitment it is - time, money, etc.

Remember, these are organizations run by college kids (at a certain level).

Anyway, happy to expound on my experience if you'd like. I had a great time, but there are two sides to everything.
That's a good post. I didn't pledge until my spring semester of my sophomore year. This gave me an opportunity to meet a lot of people and it turned out the people I hung with were the people I met my first weekend freshman year. We ended up all pledging at different times (some as freshman, some sophs, some juniors and one of my friends even pledged as a senior) and remain great friends 39 years later.

As far as my fraternity, we had about 40 brothers (some obviously more active than others) and even though we were all brothers, we didn't hang out with each other all the time. We still had other friends (some in other fraternities) and of course friends in sororities. We had different interests, some liked going out to the bars, drinking beer and meeting women and some liked hanging in their rooms, cranking Pink Floyd and smoking a little herb and maybe some whippets and whatever else. Some were in student government, some wrote for the paper, some were business majors, some IA majors (this was Oswego) and of course some were from Long Island and some from upstate. Some became brain surgeons (yes, for real) a lot of lawyers, and a ton of successful businessmen. You definitely learn communications and leadership skills.

I was hanging with a lot of guys in my fraternity before I pledged and would probably not recommend going into it blind. Make sure he knows some people, understands what is expected, what the guys are like (do they have common interests) and even speak with the advisor and people close to the situation.

I think it is a great opportunity for lifelong friendships and contacts but I'm also open to the fact that it's not for everyone. I'm happy I pledged where I did but I might have had a different outlook if I had pledged elsewhere. I'm sure if you are concerned with a particular fraternity, you could probably talk to the dean of students or the campus security. I'm sure they know who dropped a truckload of fizzies into the varsity swim meet.

Dean Vernon Wormer: Greg, what is the worst fraternity on this campus?

Greg Marmalard: Well that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way.

Dean Vernon Wormer: Cut the , son. I've got their disciplinary files right here. Who dropped a whole truckload of fizzies into the varsity swim meet? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.

Greg Marmalard: You're talking about Delta, sir.

Dean Vernon Wormer: Of course I'm talking about Delta, you TWERP!
 
Looking for the thoughts of fairly recent SU grads. What do you think of SU's Greek system? Have any comments on specific frats? Were you in one?

The frat I was in got kicked off campus for hazing.
 
I'm anti-greek as we all remember from the CTO thread...Nevertheless, guy next to me at work has a son that just graduated, and pretty sure he was President of his frat. Good kid though, definitely an entertaining fellow. I'll check to see what I can find out (what frat, etc...)
 
SU has a great Greek system. Not sure how people who weren't in it can comment on how it is to be in it.

My advice is that he should pledge with his friends. Guys who pledged alone had trouble fitting in. He should be comfortable with most of the guys in the house, not the rep of the house.

I lived in the house for two years. Best thing I ever did. I see many of the guys every year. Next month is our annual trip to NYC to drink and watch hoops, sadly now at a bar rather than MSG.

We came from all walks of life, are now from all walks of life, but party like motherers whenever we meet.
 
its not a Frat, its a Fraternity

would you call your Mother a Moth?
would you call your Father a Fath?
would you call your Country a...
 
Shark58 said:
its not a Frat, its a Fraternity would you call your Mother a Moth? would you call your Father a Fath? would you call your Country a...

Exhibit A as to why I'm anti Greek. Please, you and your frat aren't that important.
 
Exhibit A as to why I'm anti Greek. Please, you and your frat aren't that important.

its called a joke
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I don't care who wore letters or not, but here is some of my real life truth

I was a brother of a national house at 2 schools, 1 being Syracuse. the other was in a major city with a few other chapters nearby.

Not only are some of my brothers among my closest friends, 2 of my attorneys, my insurance brojer and one of my doctors, but several members of my orig house are literally captains of industry (one is CEO of a major TV production company, another controls a company that controls the Kardashians, another owns a major cosmetic company, one is a business partner of LeBron and other NBA stars and married perhaps the most successful businesswoman this side of Oprah, one an EVP for Trump who has been making the rounds on the political talk shows the past few months, an old summer roommate who is now a multiple Emmy winning exec producer for a sports broadcasting network, another is an EVP at a major record label, etc.) Its very fair to say that I am among the least successful, and I'm just a VP at a publicly traded company.

In my career I have done millions of dollars of transactions with fraternity brothers (both from my houses and others), and have facilitated at least 10X that for others, and/or helped with connections and resources, with no personal stake. I've helped over a dozen people find jobs, just because I had a brother in their industry and could pick up the phone. As someone else mentioned above, I also have a network of friends from coast to coast, and some overseas. If I happen to find myself in another city with nothing to do, I can pretty easily dig up a real friend. I randomly run into my brothers at sporting events, concerts, when vacationing or just walking around NYC. Hell, I've even avoided jail because of the letters I wore (long story but the cop turned out to be a brother from Temple)

When my wife and I decided to start our website as a side business, we had no real knowledge of where to even begin, let alone design and build the website, company, marketing plan etc. I am/was a very different kind of "suit." who didn't know a LAMP stack from a lamb chop. Luckily, I had network of resources from the tech world to tap into, many of whom are my brothers. This includes a former exec of both Google & FB who helped with everything from the initial business plan to nitty gritty UI/UX stuff, a venture capitalist who advised on legal structure and hooked us up with an incubator program and its resources, and one of the aforementioned attorneys who handles all our IP work.

Hate on the greek system all you want. there is a tons to truly hate about it. also look at the reality that it does a lot of good. the above was just about how it gave me a set of professional and pretty cool personal connections that could never be duplicated with being a brother. this says nothing of all the personal growth, real kick ass fun times, and pretty fine looking women I used to "know" all because of my crew. Not saying it couldn't be replicated, just saying that for me it was a great path and its been one hell of a ride.

Now, how do I get down from this soapbox?
 
Eric15 said:
My vote is to make friends the old fashioned way -- befriend people that have similar interests as you and will be your friend even if you don't give them the chance to torture you for a week.
A lot of people can make friends in different ways. I had great friends both inside and outside of my fraternity. There seems to be a misconception among many non-Greeks that you can't have a healthy social life outside of the frat. I was in a frat, worked all four years while at SU and was in ROTC. I made great friends in all of those places, plus in the dorms my first two years.
 
SU has a great Greek system. Not sure how people who weren't in it can comment on how it is to be in it.

My advice is that he should pledge with his friends. Guys who pledged alone had trouble fitting in. He should be comfortable with most of the guys in the house, not the rep of the house.

I lived in the house for two years. Best thing I ever did. I see many of the guys every year. Next month is our annual trip to NYC to drink and watch hoops, sadly now at a bar rather than MSG.

We came from all walks of life, are now from all walks of life, but party like mother. . . . ers whenever we meet.

This is what it is all about. Can find friends like this outside of Greek, but it surely does not hurt.
 
Ask ten different people, you'll get ten different answers, with likely lots of overlap. I graduated in 2012 so I am relatively familiar with the Greek system at syracuse, albeit while not being a member of one (social fraternity at least) during my time, so take my opinions/thoughts with a grain of salt.

I rushed freshman year with my roommate and some of my buddies on my floor, mostly as a follower to them. I was relatively reserved compared to many others involved in the process, and because I wasn't all too invested in wanting a bid, I didn't really put much effort into trying to get one. My grandfather was actually the president of the DKE house at SU during his time up there. Greek life just wasn't for me. My neighbor ended up pledging Phi Kappa Psi, the only one of us to commit to it. During that semester I legitimately almost never saw him. He just was so busy running around that he was almost never at his dorm. That semester he ended up on academic probation. We lived in the engineering learning community in Shaw, so yes, we had challenging classes. Some people actually do better in school while they pledge because they have to really practice time management. My neighbor (who I went on to live with soph-senior year) wasn't one of those people. That's the first comment-- pledging is time-consuming and depending on how you manage time/stress, it's a challenge, regardless of how many "study sessions" the fraternity might conduct throughout the pledging process.

As for specific houses, each one has their stereotypes. Does every member fall into the stereotype? Absolutely not. But there is a reason they exist, and similar people tend to gravitate towards eachother. It's not rocket science. That said, don't get caught up in the social ranking of fraternities. Easier said than done when we are talking about 18-22 year olds. It's much worse with sororities though. You might be hot, but I'm not entirely sure behind your massive sunglasses, ugg boots, northface jacket, and extra large Starbucks frappa whatever (yes, non-sorority girls also dress like this). That all said, I had a bunch of friends in various houses that I met through class, gym, etc. Both fraternities and sororities. Formals are also a good time.

potential positives --> lifelong friends, connections, memories through bonding together, being a part of something, service events, partying with sororities-- not sure how much you think your son drinks, but it's more than likely more than you think it is. Sororities have hot girls. Partying with hot girls is fun. Simple. My senior year we had some parties at our house on Comstock with many of my roommate's fraternity members, and it was a fun time.

potential negatives --> difficulty finding time during pledging, doing things you don't feel comfortable doing/being told what to do, getting caught up in the social stigma associated with greek life, $, too much fun (maybe this is a positive :)).

At the end of the day, don't let Greek life force you into anything, and don't think it's not possible to build life-long friendships without it. I agree with what others said-- pledging with close friends is definitely more appealing. Another benefit for underclassmen is having a place to party on weekends before 21. Much more difficult wandering aimlessly around Euclid searching for alcohol and girls when you aren't in a house. Things are different once you can get into the bars and develop relationships with people who have houses. Every now and then I wonder how things might have been different if I joined a house, but I don't regret anything. I lived with 5 of my best friends for two years, including my roommate in greek life, and it was absolutely amazing. As others said, you choose to be as involved as you want to be.

After all that, the moral is- no harm in rushing. Don't force anything. If you find a place you connect with, roll with it. If not, you'll figure it out.
 
I graduated in 2014. I had a hard time making friends for a while, but eventually made a handful the old-fashioned way (bringing food out into the hallway of my freshman dorm when everyone was studying was a hit). I also joined a fraternity called Phi Sigma Pi that basically doubles as a social and an academic fraternity. I know a handful of people that were in the more traditional fraternities and know a ton that rushed, but I personally never saw it as a fit for me.

The people that I know that were in the more traditional fraternities speak very highly of it though; I'm sure if your son finds the right one, he'll have a good time.
 

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