WE NEED A KIRK FERENTZ

[jgeorge322]

If there's no need to make a move now, there was absolutely no "NEED" to make a move then.

The guy was four years removed from a 10-3 season and had one losing season in 14. Mismanagement for an AD and Chancellor to make such a big change so soon into their time here. Unbelievable arrogance on both their parts.

Idiots.

sometimes you need change. part of coach p's downfall was his failure to realize that. but its besides the point. they needed to make a better hire than robinson and they failed. that's not because they fired coach p.

 

[GoSU96]

Ah... good points on the coordinators. Deleone was the most 1970's CNY guy ever

Here's what JO said about Deleone -

"BTW - people are idiots regarding DeLeone. He was the Chip Kelly of his era introducing innovative offense to college football."

Mac isn't Mac without him.

I would have had no problem if after 2005 is was still muddling along that there was a change, it's clear they were way behind the power curve in recruiting techniques, they found out what the industry standard was when a bunch went to work for Orgeron.

 

[GoSU96]

Do you remember Pasqualoni's tenure at Uconn a few later? It wasn't pretty.

So what?

That's has nothing to do with how an emotional, panicked decision drove the program over the cliff, which is the major source of all the difficulties since.

One more season and a well thought out search wouldn't have hurt.

 

[Macky44]

We need more fans to be patient. Anyone can see the true freshman talent we have on both sides of the ball, and our offense is more improved and exciting than it has been in the last 15+ years. Let this thing happen people. Shafer and crew can get this done with time. He got rid of Mcdonald when he wasn't cutting it. I have a feeling he will not be afraid to move on from other positional coaches that might not be making the grade as well.

 

[AZOrange]

The heck with Ferentz, give me Art Briles.

 

[CusefanATL]

Here's what JO said about Deleone -

"BTW - people are idiots regarding DeLeone. He was the Chip Kelly of his era introducing innovative offense to college football."

Mac isn't Mac without him.

I would have had no problem if after 2005 is was still muddling along that there was a change, it's clear they were way behind the power curve in recruiting techniques, they found out what the industry standard was when a bunch went to work for Orgeron.

A. Who is JO?
B. I was only talking about George Delone the person being a 1970's CNY guy. He reminds me of all of my dads pictures playing football growing up and at JD. I bet Deleone lived off of Meadowbrook or Scott Ave.

Here is a funny picture of former CBA coach. They are all identical italian guys:

 

[GoSU96]

sometimes you need change. part of coach p's downfall was his failure to realize that. but its besides the point. they needed to make a better hire than robinson and they failed. that's not because they fired coach p.

It absolutely is, you fire a guy with no plan, you end up with Greg Robinson.

You fire a guy with ONE losing season in 14 because you have a plan and clear path to a sure upgrade.

It was a total fail.

And it's resulted in the mess that has occurred since.

 

[GoSU96]

We can rewrite history but the time had come for Coach P to leave...his time at UConn I think shows that.
His recruiting dropped off the cliff near the end...yes, the administration should've done more but he had too many What losses.

The school screwed up by the timing of the firing...and hiring a guy who was in over his head running a program.

My comment about killing for a record like that is from the long recovery from the GRob debacle. The administration dragged their feet on the IPF and that was one of the reasons Doug left us in a bind...

What rewrite, it's what I said at the time.

His time at Uconn has NO bearing on what would have resulted in 2005.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Do we know if Ferentz was ever offered a NFL HC job?

Marrone might not have looked for a NFL job so soon if some of the promises made when he was hired were actually delivered.

 

[rrlbees]

So what? That's has nothing to do with how an emotional, panicked decision drove the program over the cliff, which is the major source of all the difficulties since. One more season and a well thought out search wouldn't have hurt.

You're rewriting history. Your first point may be partially true but there had already been discussions on whether to keep P or not. The bowl game, while an immediate decision, was just the straw that broke the camels back. But it's not like that bowl game was the one and only time it was a consideration.

Your second point is completely wrong and you know the story. You may not have like the answer but a thought out search took place. He wanted to use the model he felt was highly successful at USC. An NFL coach with a defensive background. That's all they interviewed. Four coaches that fit that profile. Narrowed to two for more interviews. So hate the model, the profile and the result, but it was thought out.

 

[elimunelson]

What rewrite, it's what I said at the time.

His time at Uconn has NO bearing on what would have resulted in 2005.

I agree on the Uconn tenure having zero to do with the end of Syracuse. He was FURTHER from college after toiling in the NFL for 5 years and he was an old man. Terrible hire for a program like that.

Having said that, no rational person can say firing P after 2004 was smart at the time or in hindsight. The logical thing was to give him little rope and see how it unfolds. Nancy Cantor was a really low energy Chancellor for Syracuse who ruined football, our academic ranking and the overall vibe for the college (due to both).

We are still digging out from her administration

 

[MadisonCuse]

It absolutely is, you fire a guy with no plan, you end up with Greg Robinson.

You fire a guy with ONE losing season in 14 because you have a plan and clear path to a sure upgrade.

It was a total fail.

And it's resulted in the mess that has occurred since.

You cant put the blame on Gross, that decision was made above his pay grade as GT was dropping 50 on us.

 

[rrlbees]

It absolutely is, you fire a guy with no plan, you end up with Greg Robinson. You fire a guy with ONE losing season in 14 because you have a plan and clear path to a sure upgrade. It was a total fail. And it's resulted in the mess that has occurred since.

We don't know that at all. How are we sure we'd be any better today? It took Marrone all of 2 years to get back to pre-Grob. How do we know P would have been .500 those 4 Marrone years? You keep thinking we were an 8-4 type program when P was fired. We were a .500 program as evidenced by his last 3 seasons.

There is no way to correlate P bring fired to today's results. It's been 11 years.

 

[elimunelson]

You're rewriting history. Your first point may be partially true but there had already been discussions on whether to keep P or not. The bowl game, while an immediate decision, was just the straw that broke the camels back. But it's not like that bowl game was the one and only time it was a consideration.

Your second point is completely wrong and you know the story. You may not have like the answer but a thought out search took place. He wanted to use the model he felt was highly successful at USC. An NFL coach with a defensive background. That's all they interviewed. Four coaches that fit that profile. Narrowed to two for more interviews. So hate the model, the profile and the result, but it was thought out.

The flawed search was the issue and the result was equally so. If Jake and Buzz never left we would never ever had this downward football run IMO. It would have ebbed but it wouldn't have cratered. Those two guys actually knew football.

 

[rrlbees]

Do we know if Ferentz was ever offered a NFL HC job? Marrone might not have looked for a NFL job so soon if some of the promises made when he was hired were actually delivered.

Some of that was on Marrone too.

 

[Millhouse]

It absolutely is, you fire a guy with no plan, you end up with Greg Robinson.

You fire a guy with ONE losing season in 14 because you have a plan and clear path to a sure upgrade.

It was a total fail.

And it's resulted in the mess that has occurred since.

Greg Robinson was a good hire from the perspective of NFL fans/boosters who watch a syracuse game on saturday. Gross was an idiot who went on the recommendation of Pete Carroll, who had no skin in the game and hooked up his buddy. whole thing suffered from navel gazing. Gross's idea of a plan was to ask someone at USC what to do. People of a certain age who went along with Robinson heard Super Bowl rings and west coast offense and nfl defensive experience.

as long as Gross was there, they weren't going to hire anyone any good.

2005 was going to be a mess and I bet gross would've screwed up it up a year later. there is no plan with daryl gross on anything

 

[elimunelson]

Do we know if Ferentz was ever offered a NFL HC job?

Marrone might not have looked for a NFL job so soon if some of the promises made when he was hired were actually delivered.

Kirk was from the Belichick tree. My assumption is he had feelers out there for sure. Belichick still speaks highly of him, Pat Hill, et al. Those guys were part of that great 1995 Browns staff, including Saban.

Ferentz prob saw what happened to Bill in Cleveland made sure he wasn't going to leave for greener grass.

 

[MadisonCuse]

You're rewriting history. Your first point may be partially true but there had already been discussions on whether to keep P or not. The bowl game, while an immediate decision, was just the straw that broke the camels back. But it's not like that bowl game was the one and only time it was a consideration.

Your second point is completely wrong and you know the story. You may not have like the answer but a thought out search took place. He wanted to use the model he felt was highly successful at USC. An NFL coach with a defensive background. That's all they interviewed. Four coaches that fit that profile. Narrowed to two for more interviews. So hate the model, the profile and the result, but it was thought out.

The problem is that the decision should have been made the first week of December or the following year. GRob was doomed from the start by the lack of available asst coaches.

 

[Millhouse]

You cant put the blame on Gross, that decision was made above his pay grade as GT was dropping 50 on us.

he can get blamed for hiring pete carroll's college roommate on pete carroll's recommendation.

 

[Millhouse]

The problem is that the decision should have been made the first week of December or the following year. GRob was doomed from the start by the lack of available asst coaches.

robinson had plenty of time to hire asst coaches and they sucked every year

 

[MadisonCuse]

robinson had plenty of time to hire asst coaches and they sucked every year

Not his first year he had to pick from the crap that was left over.

 

[Millhouse]

Not his first year he had to pick from the crap that was left over.

he might've brought pariani with him anyway. maybe that's the difference between 1 win and 3. either way, the years where he got to pick were awful too

 

[KaiserUEO]

You cant put the blame on Gross, that decision was made above his pay grade as GT was dropping 50 on us.

exactly.

Chip fired P.

and he did it with CTO's blessing, 7 budweisers in to the game...

 

[OrangePA]

The problem is that the decision should have been made the first week of December or the following year. GRob was doomed from the start by the lack of available asst coaches.

The problem, I believe, is that you had three individuals responsible for the SU Football Program who were new and who were just not ready at that point - Cantor, Gross and Robinson.

Not that they lacked talent necessarily - each had talent or some measure of talent. But, none of them had a true knowledge or understanding of the Syracuse Football situation - they did not understand the inherent and very difficult finance and infrastructure issues.

They received a gift box and as they were opening it, they thought they had been given USC or ND or Stanford.

They were surprised by what they actually received.

So, you had three people trying to run a Program who were simply not prepared to run it.

Shaw, Jake and Pasqualoni knew what they had and what the limitations were. And they knew how to compensate for the deficiencies.

I really think that explains the Robinson era.

 

[Millhouse]

exactly.

Chip fired P.

and he did it with CTO's blessing, 7 budweisers in to the game...

seven? keep going