We're Bowling..

[sufandu]

I do. I mean he's not going to be a starter in the NFL

Playing in a bowl game won't affect his draft position one way or another. I doubt he plays.

 

[David321]

The current Bowls are like NFL preseason games, a test of which team has the better backup players.

Except they count, so they are nothing like NFL preseason games.

 

[sufandu]

Except they count, so they are nothing like NFL preseason games.

But really they don't. Everyone now knows that the team playing isn't the same team that played out the season. Nobody really pays attention except the fans of the teams playing, especially with the playoff now expanded.

 

[David321]

But really they don't. Everyone now knows that the team playing isn't the same team that played out the season. Nobody really pays attention except the fans of the teams playing, especially with the playoff now expanded.

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

 

[DomeHolmes]

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

 

[David321]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

Dude, nailed it.

 

[longtimefan]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

The number of players who opt out is climbing rapidly. Not only those who are preparing for the NFL, but those who are entering the portal. It's not unusual these days to have a third of a roster transferring.

So yes, the non-playoff bowls have been devalued.

 

[sufandu]

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

I'm sure Fran does. It's his job to. But that's really a silly argument. I like the bowls, or at least I used to when the teams playing in them were the same as the teams playing during the regular season. With all the opt outs, I just don't care like I used to. It used to be fun seeing my favorite players in a last hurrah in a SU uniform. Now that game is the last regular season game unless we're good enough to make the playoff at some point. I'll still watch, but a win or loss will have no impact on my opinion of the sucess of the team because I know some of the best players from one or both teams won't be playing.

What were the ratings for the non-playoff bowls? I've never seen those numbers. I know most of them have pretty small in person crowds.

A better indicator will be how much time the media spends talking about them. They'll get a quick highlignt shown on sportcenter, but the bulk of the time will be spent talking about the playoff matchups. It's like NCAA tourney talk versus NIT talk.

 

[David321]

I'm sure Fran does. It's his job to. But that's really a silly argument. I like the bowls, or at least I used to when the teams playing in them were the same as the teams playing during the regular season. With all the opt outs, I just don't care like I used to. It used to be fun seeing my favorite players in a last hurrah in a SU uniform. Now that game is the last regular season game unless we're good enough to make the playoff at some point. I'll still watch, but a win or loss will have no impact on my opinion of the sucess of the team because I know some of the best players from one or both teams won't be playing.

What were the ratings for the non-playoff bowls? I've never seen those numbers. I know most of them have pretty small in person crowds.

A better indicator will be how much time the media spends talking about them. They'll get a quick highlignt shown on sportcenter, but the bulk of the time will be spent talking about the playoff matchups. It's like NCAA tourney talk versus NIT talk.

I don't know anything about basketball but bowl season gets plenty of attention, and I don't think you've made your case that my argument is silly. Rather you simply listed the reasons why you don't like them any more.

 

[sufandu]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

You're overstating how much people care. Of course family members care. So do family members of middle school football players, that's hardly an argument. And of course everyone directly involved cares. They have strong vested interest. Outside of direct connections to the bowls and teams involved there is far less interest than any regular season game between highly ranked teams. People betting on sports care because they want something to bet on. That doesn't make the game meaningful. Even playing a former rival is pretty meh when their best players opt out. I'd rather play them in an OOC regular season game that actually does matter. And yeah, some people go crazy when a team doesn't play well after their players opt out. Those people are pretty clueless. I haven't cared less about the result of any games than I have about the results of our last two bowls. They were big shoulder shrugs for me.

The results of bowl games just don't matter that much anymore. Making it to a bowl, and which bowl, is what matters because that is the reflection of the type of season the team had, not the result of the bowl, which is why you don't quit after two losses (another silly argument).

 

[sufandu]

I don't know anything about basketball but bowl season gets plenty of attention, and I don't think you've made your case that my argument is silly. Rather you simply listed the reasons why you don't like them any more.

I listed some reasons why lots of people don't care about them anymore. Did you find those ratings numbers yet?

 

[David321]

I listed some reasons why lots of people don't care about them anymore. Did you find those ratings numbers yet?

I normally don't take homework assignments from people but this one was worth it for me, and took a few seconds. Even the lowly Fenway Bowl which is much maligned on this board had over a million views.

2023 college football TV ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2023 season, from week zero through Michigan's win over Washington in the National Championship.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

 

[SWC75]

Eight games in, check off that box. Hasn't always been pretty but won't matter a year from today. Let's go Orange!

But who on the roster will go bowling with us?

 

[sufandu]

I normally don't take homework assignments from people but this one was worth it for me, and took a few seconds. Even the lowly Fenway Bowl which is much maligned on this board had over a million views.

2023 college football TV ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2023 season, from week zero through Michigan's win over Washington in the National Championship.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

You just proved my point. 1 million viewers isn't very good. It would have made it the 117th rated show last week. Even the highest rated non-NY6 bowl at 6.8 million would've been 14th which is actually pretty good. But when you consider bowl games are a once per year event played when no other games are being played and when regular programming is on holiday hiatus, it's not that impressive. Look at your list and notice all of the regular season games that draw more viewers than the lower and mid-level bowls. And that's with other games being played opposite them and drawing away viewers.

Most people don't care about non-NY6 bowl or playoff games unless their team is playing in the game.

This is my last post on this subject. I'm glad we're bowling. I'll watch even when our best players opt out. I won't care all that much about whether we win but will be interested to see some young players we didn't see during the regular season to get a guess as to whether they'll help us next year.

 

[kirbivore]

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

There's enough football junkies / degenerate gamblers to keep the ratings respectable.

 

[kirbivore]

I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

Let me preface this that I don't blame any player who thinks they have an NFL future for opting out of a bowl game. From the day McCaffery opted out of Stanford's bowl game it's gone from elite no doubt first round guys down to the QB from WVU that didn't play the Camping World Bowl that got drafted in Day 2. At some point the scenario you describe above is going to happen.

 

[JRHEETER]

But really they don't. Everyone now knows that the team playing isn't the same team that played out the season. Nobody really pays attention except the fans of the teams playing, especially with the playoff now expanded.

If we win, we will put it up in the Dome that we won.

It’s a huge recruiting piece.

These games count no matter what way you spin it.

If you don’t want to watch because it’s not impactful to you, that’s okay.

But they do count and they will be reflected in our record and if we win we hang it up in the Dome

 

[JRHEETER]

Let me preface this that I don't blame any player who thinks they have an NFL future for opting out of a bowl game. From the day McCaffery opted out of Stanford's bowl game it's gone from elite no doubt first round guys down to the QB from WVU that didn't play the Camping World Bowl that got drafted in Day 2. At some point the scenario you describe above is going to happen.

Eventually, once the NCAA has the teams pay out the $$$$ for NIL there will be obligations to play in Bowl games I would suspect

 

[sufandu]

Eventually, once the NCAA has the teams pay out the $$$$ for NIL there will be obligations to play in Bowl games I would suspect

That'll be cool. I look forward to it.

 

[kirbivore]

Eventually, once the NCAA has the teams pay out the $$$$ for NIL there will be obligations to play in Bowl games I would suspect

If that does happen the no doubt elite guys will just do this to not play

 

[David321]

You just proved my point. 1 million viewers isn't very good. It would have made it the 117th rated show last week. Even the highest rated non-NY6 bowl at 6.8 million would've been 14th which is actually pretty good. But when you consider bowl games are a once per year event played when no other games are being played and when regular programming is on holiday hiatus, it's not that impressive. Look at your list and notice all of the regular season games that draw more viewers than the lower and mid-level bowls. And that's with other games being played opposite them and drawing away viewers.

Most people don't care about non-NY6 bowl or playoff games unless their team is playing in the game.

This is my last post on this subject. I'm glad we're bowling. I'll watch even when our best players opt out. I won't care all that much about whether we win but will be interested to see some young players we didn't see during the regular season to get a guess as to whether they'll help us next year.

Name me some of the games this season we've cracked a million. You know, the ones that "count". Boca had three million.

 

[David321]

If we win, we will put it up in the Dome that we won.

It’s a huge recruiting piece.

These games count no matter what way you spin it.

If you don’t want to watch because it’s not impactful to you, that’s okay.

But they do count and they will be reflected in our record and if we win we hang it up in the Dome

Exactly. It's obviously important to our program. Great point.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Eventually, once the NCAA has the teams pay out the $$$$ for NIL there will be obligations to play in Bowl games I would suspect

yup and that's coming next year. All in motion. There's no chance when the schools control the purses and have contracts that they don't eliminate a lot of these issues.

 

[djorange1989]

Look, we all want to win our bowl games. To me the point of it all is that many bowl wins and losses come with asterisks now. The last two years we were at a major disadvantage in terms of players missing(Boca was a shatshow for other reasons too of course). Camping World was heavily to our advantage. If you can win it, great, it pads the record. If you don’t you hope you get to see some guys shine who haven’t played as much. Ratings are good because it’s football and there is no other football on, people are home for the holidays, gamblers gonna gamble etc. basically, go Cuse but if we lose, don’t jump out a window

 

[UnknownOrange]

McCord could make a roster. he is smart and gets rid of the ball quick

His lack of mobility will hurt, and he has a nice arm, not an elite arm.

How many low mobility QBs are there now?

The Purdue kid for one

There are a bunch of QBs who aren't runners.

Bryce Young, Jameis, Jordan Love, Herbert, Dak, Tua, Flacco, Carr, Goff, Dalton, Rogers, Minshew, etc