We're Bowling..

[sufandu]

I do. I mean he's not going to be a starter in the NFL

Playing in a bowl game won't affect his draft position one way or another. I doubt he plays.

 

[David321]

The current Bowls are like NFL preseason games, a test of which team has the better backup players.

Except they count, so they are nothing like NFL preseason games.

 

[sufandu]

Except they count, so they are nothing like NFL preseason games.

But really they don't. Everyone now knows that the team playing isn't the same team that played out the season. Nobody really pays attention except the fans of the teams playing, especially with the playoff now expanded.

 

[David321]

But really they don't. Everyone now knows that the team playing isn't the same team that played out the season. Nobody really pays attention except the fans of the teams playing, especially with the playoff now expanded.

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

 

[DomeHolmes]

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

 

[David321]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

Dude, nailed it.

 

[longtimefan]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

The number of players who opt out is climbing rapidly. Not only those who are preparing for the NFL, but those who are entering the portal. It's not unusual these days to have a third of a roster transferring.

So yes, the non-playoff bowls have been devalued.

 

[sufandu]

They literally count, in every conceivable way. Nobody pays attention? Last I checked the ratings continue to be decent for non playoff bowls.

Fans who don't like these games like to say things like "they don't count", "no one cares" etc but really that's ridiculous.

I wonder if Fran Brown thinks they count?

I'm sure Fran does. It's his job to. But that's really a silly argument. I like the bowls, or at least I used to when the teams playing in them were the same as the teams playing during the regular season. With all the opt outs, I just don't care like I used to. It used to be fun seeing my favorite players in a last hurrah in a SU uniform. Now that game is the last regular season game unless we're good enough to make the playoff at some point. I'll still watch, but a win or loss will have no impact on my opinion of the sucess of the team because I know some of the best players from one or both teams won't be playing.

What were the ratings for the non-playoff bowls? I've never seen those numbers. I know most of them have pretty small in person crowds.

A better indicator will be how much time the media spends talking about them. They'll get a quick highlignt shown on sportcenter, but the bulk of the time will be spent talking about the playoff matchups. It's like NCAA tourney talk versus NIT talk.

 

[David321]

I'm sure Fran does. It's his job to. But that's really a silly argument. I like the bowls, or at least I used to when the teams playing in them were the same as the teams playing during the regular season. With all the opt outs, I just don't care like I used to. It used to be fun seeing my favorite players in a last hurrah in a SU uniform. Now that game is the last regular season game unless we're good enough to make the playoff at some point. I'll still watch, but a win or loss will have no impact on my opinion of the sucess of the team because I know some of the best players from one or both teams won't be playing.

What were the ratings for the non-playoff bowls? I've never seen those numbers. I know most of them have pretty small in person crowds.

A better indicator will be how much time the media spends talking about them. They'll get a quick highlignt shown on sportcenter, but the bulk of the time will be spent talking about the playoff matchups. It's like NCAA tourney talk versus NIT talk.

I don't know anything about basketball but bowl season gets plenty of attention, and I don't think you've made your case that my argument is silly. Rather you simply listed the reasons why you don't like them any more.

 

[sufandu]

They say that “they don’t count, and no one cares” and love the word “meaningless” , but then they still watch them! And critique poor play! And get upset about results. I never understood the irrational hatred for lower/mid tier bowls.

as far as caring, most of the fanbases care, hundreds of thousands of TV viewers care, the sponsors care, the economies of the towns the bowls are in care, the coaches care. 98% of the players care, their parents who might get one last chance to see them play care, the kids on bad programs that got to 6/6 that never played at a bowl game before care , the universities who spend millions of dollars on athletic programs that (often) lose money care, the people that love to bet on sports care, the people who realize that a lower tier bowl game is better than anything else on a teusday night care, the people that realize that it’s great to play a rival (like West Virginia) that we don’t get to play anymore in a bowl game care, the people that pay for scholarships for athletes to compete for their school care. The people paying NIL care.

it seems that the only people who don’t care are a few players on draft boards, and a few fans who believe that if you don’t play for a championship that you should just go home. I bet many of those people believe that once you lose two games and can no longer make the playoff, you should probably stop playing and not risk injury too.

You're overstating how much people care. Of course family members care. So do family members of middle school football players, that's hardly an argument. And of course everyone directly involved cares. They have strong vested interest. Outside of direct connections to the bowls and teams involved there is far less interest than any regular season game between highly ranked teams. People betting on sports care because they want something to bet on. That doesn't make the game meaningful. Even playing a former rival is pretty meh when their best players opt out. I'd rather play them in an OOC regular season game that actually does matter. And yeah, some people go crazy when a team doesn't play well after their players opt out. Those people are pretty clueless. I haven't cared less about the result of any games than I have about the results of our last two bowls. They were big shoulder shrugs for me.

The results of bowl games just don't matter that much anymore. Making it to a bowl, and which bowl, is what matters because that is the reflection of the type of season the team had, not the result of the bowl, which is why you don't quit after two losses (another silly argument).

 

[sufandu]

I don't know anything about basketball but bowl season gets plenty of attention, and I don't think you've made your case that my argument is silly. Rather you simply listed the reasons why you don't like them any more.

I listed some reasons why lots of people don't care about them anymore. Did you find those ratings numbers yet?

 

[David321]

I listed some reasons why lots of people don't care about them anymore. Did you find those ratings numbers yet?

I normally don't take homework assignments from people but this one was worth it for me, and took a few seconds. Even the lowly Fenway Bowl which is much maligned on this board had over a million views.

2023 college football TV ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2023 season, from week zero through Michigan's win over Washington in the National Championship.

www.sportsmediawatch.com