What a 2nd half

[atlanticuse]

Ok then we’re still in the 30-day return window right?

SU paid with AMEX. They get 60.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I need to check the lineups, but I would like to see Judah Bell Copeland Brown and McLeod. Not sure that’s been out there much.

ETA: as suspected, it hasn't happened yet. These are the closest and it was for very few minutes:

 

[CuseTG2003]

Both jj and jt were duds out there tonight. Jj in particular just seems to be losing confidence. Thought Gerry was supposed to fix his shooting mechanics?

Taylor had 6 pts, 7 boards, and 5 assists. I'll take that every game.

 

[DoctahLexus]

2nd half shows why you do not put Bell on the bench if he clanks (or airballs) a couple. Red has been consistent in his confidence/support for Bell, despite seeing the same anger inducing moments that we do, and it has paid dividends in all our recent games except Gonzaga.

His rebounding is still putrid, but I would argue that his faults on D are pretty much limited to his play on the boards and around the rim. His one on one D in m2m I would argue has been just as good as anyone else we have out there on the floor. Rim protection situations are overall his second worst area besides the boards, but he has gotten his fair share of blocks this season, both chasedown and in help defense situations. Active hands has lead to some steals too. He is good in the press when we use it. He is a fast athletic guy and that is most apparent with his play on the defensive end. Some team defense errors and space cadet moments, but again I could say the same from almost everyone in our defense.

He has earned the 29 mins a game he is averaging. On a perfect team he plays less, but we don't have that right now. He has stepped up on offense at a time when almost nobody else has. His defense has improved. If Red had him just playing brief spot mins off the bench (something SEVERAL on this board wanted preseason) we would be a much worse team. But Red trusts him despite his faults and we can see why.

 

[Wrinkle]

2nd half shows why you do not put Bell on the bench if he clanks (or airballs) a couple. Red has been consistent in his confidence/support for Bell, despite seeing the same anger inducing moments that we do, and it has paid dividends in all our recent games except Gonzaga.

His rebounding is still putrid, but I would argue that his faults on D are pretty much limited to his play on the boards and around the rim. His one on one D in m2m I would argue has been just as good as anyone else we have out there on the floor. Rim protection situations are overall his second worst area besides the boards, but he has gotten his fair share of blocks this season, both chasedown and in help defense situations. Active hands has lead to some steals too. He is good in the press when we use it. He is a fast athletic guy and that is most apparent with his play on the defensive end. Some team defense errors and space cadet moments, but again I could say the same from almost everyone in our defense.

He has earned the 29 mins a game he is averaging. On a perfect team he plays less, but we don't have that right now. He has stepped up on offense at a time when almost nobody else has. His defense has improved. If Red had him just playing brief spot mins off the bench (something SEVERAL on this board wanted preseason) we would be a much worse team. But Red trusts him despite his faults and we can see why.

Bell has locked down a starting position with his shotmaking alone. I'd be surprised if anyone argued against that.

But then again, this is Syracusefan

 

[two3zone]

Both jj and jt were duds out there tonight. Jj in particular just seems to be losing confidence. Thought Gerry was supposed to fix his shooting mechanics?

JT led the team in rebounds and assists while hitting 2-5 from three.

 

[721Comstock]

Bell has locked down a starting position with his shotmaking alone. I'd be surprised if anyone argued against that.

But then again, this is Syracusefan

His effort on D is MUCH improved.
No longer a gambling matador.

And while he'll likely never be a plus rebounder, at least he's now getting a few.

I've been saying all along I see a lot of Southerland in Bell.
And frankly, he's ahead of the curve as compared to Southy at the same relative points in their careers.
Which is very encouraging!

Seems like his Sophomore Leap is happening right before our eyes.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

JT led the team in rebounds and assists while hitting 2-5 from three.

So, the assists from JT are really good, and better ball movement is a big need. Last night showed us what that could be loke.

And this is going to blow some people's minds, but... when Taylor passes to Bell it leads to more assists because Bell is ready to make a bucket (which happens a lot), and when Bell passes to Taylor it leads to fewer assists because Taylor isn't always ready to shoot and the ball ends up sticking with him for a second.

TL;DR - Taylor benefits from passing to our two best scorers. Our two best scorers don't have the same benefit.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

So, the assists from JT are really good, and better ball movement is a big need. Last night showed us what that could be loke.

And this is going to blow some people's minds, but... when Taylor passes to Bell it leads to more assists because Bell is ready to make a bucket (which happens a lot), and when Bell passes to Taylor it leads to fewer assists because Taylor isn't always ready to shoot and the ball ends up sticking with him for a second.

TL;DR - Taylor benefits from passing to our two best scorers. Our two best scorers don't have the same benefit.

I’ll watch for this next time. Curious if they are comparable situations. E.g. both settled in the corner open.

We all know passes to open guys aren’t always the same. We all know guards who have had an uncanny ability to pass to an open guy just as the openness window is closing.

 

[Newhouser]

Bell's defense last night anyway was fine. He isn't and I don't think ever will be a great rebounder.

I will say he is the best shooter I have seen here in a while. My confidence is higher that he will make it than it was with Buddy, Joe, Cooney or any other designated sniper of recent vintage.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Bell's defense last night anyway was fine. He isn't and I don't think ever will be a great rebounder.

I will say he is the best shooter I have seen here in a while. My confidence is higher that he will make it than it was with Buddy, Joe, Cooney or any other designated snipe of recent vintage.

He makes a lot of shots considering how low his release is. Actually where the shot starts.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’ll watch for this next time. Curious if they are comparable situations. E.g. both settled in the corner open.

We all know passes to open guys aren’t always the same. We all know guards who have had an uncanny ability to pass to an open guy just as the openness window is closing.

I started watching for it when the board conversation started to be about how we should center the offense around Taylor and get him a lot more shots.

It's just not a natural part of his game. He doesn't position himself for shots as often as you'd think. It's actually kind of weird. But once you watch you'll notice how often he ends up not catching it ready to shoot, so then he fakes or puts the ball on the floor for a dribble or too, and then passes back out.

Whereas Bell is actually extremely good at getting in scoring positions and immediately makes the catch in position to launch. Weird skill set.

This is why I think Bell is so intriguing. Wouldn't surprise me if he never played pick up at the park. But he absolutely did a million shooting drills.

 

[jordoo]

I started watching for it when the board conversation started to be about how we should center the offense around Taylor and get him a lot more shots.

It's just not a natural part of his game. He doesn't position himself for shots as often as you'd think. It's actually kind of weird. But once you watch you'll notice how often he ends up not catching it ready to shoot, so then he fakes or puts the ball on the floor for a dribble or too, and then passes back out.

Whereas Bell is actually extremely good at getting in scoring positions and immediately makes the catch in position to launch. Weird skill set.

This is why I think Bell is so intriguing. Wouldn't surprise me if he never played pick up at the park. But he absolutely did a million shooting drills.

I believe Bell is going to develop into the type of shooter that needs little space and less time to get good shots off. The skill set you are trying to describe is why I feel that way. Also for such a quick release with relatively low loft he has great touch. It helps that he isn't over using his leg drive.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I started watching for it when the board conversation started to be about how we should center the offense around Taylor and get him a lot more shots.

It's just not a natural part of his game. He doesn't position himself for shots as often as you'd think. It's actually kind of weird. But once you watch you'll notice how often he ends up not catching it ready to shoot, so then he fakes or puts the ball on the floor for a dribble or too, and then passes back out.

Whereas Bell is actually extremely good at getting in scoring positions and immediately makes the catch in position to launch. Weird skill set.

This is why I think Bell is so intriguing. Wouldn't surprise me if he never played pick up at the park. But he absolutely did a million shooting drills.

My thoughts are that Taylor often receives the ball when coming from inside out, meaning his body is still moving away from the basket. That was hard to do, and dumb, for Andy and Triche, and more so for Justin considering his slow release. But I’ll keep my eye on it. I’ve said before that we need to help free up JT more with screens.

 

[General20]

I started watching for it when the board conversation started to be about how we should center the offense around Taylor and get him a lot more shots.

It's just not a natural part of his game. He doesn't position himself for shots as often as you'd think. It's actually kind of weird. But once you watch you'll notice how often he ends up not catching it ready to shoot, so then he fakes or puts the ball on the floor for a dribble or too, and then passes back out.

Whereas Bell is actually extremely good at getting in scoring positions and immediately makes the catch in position to launch. Weird skill set.

This is why I think Bell is so intriguing. Wouldn't surprise me if he never played pick up at the park. But he absolutely did a million shooting drills.

This is right. Bell has a quick release and is comfortable shooting with a guy closing out on him. Taylor is not. In a game like LSU where they guard in your face Taylor isn't going to score a lot, but Judah is likely to go crazy (as he did).

We need Taylor to be a scorer against zones or man Ds that pack the paint and dare us to shoot from outside. If he can do that, along with the defense and rebounding we are already seeing. I'll be very happy with his contribution to the team.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Bell's defense last night anyway was fine. He isn't and I don't think ever will be a great rebounder.

I will say he is the best shooter I have seen here in a while. My confidence is higher that he will make it than it was with Buddy, Joe, Cooney or any other designated sniper of recent vintage.

Recency bias. He did go 2-18 last week. Girard has been around 40% for over two years.

 

[billsin01]

What about Copeland do you like to take the two best shooters off the floor? Cuffe has a nice shot, I get that. But Copeland doesn’t shoot well and makes at least one bad play for every good play. He’s not a 2 for sure. He rebounds pretty well, and can drive the ball, but he’s got a tendency to get in foul trouble quickly.

He does commit a bunch of fouls and he can’t shoot. I don’t know. I like the energy and ability to make things happen at times. I watch the game and find myself going ‘Taylor played 31 minutes?!? Huh.’

I’m not sure the answer is 31 mins of Copeland and Cuffe, but I think the reality of Bell is that he is exclusively a shooter (he’s working harder on defense, but … it’s still not awesome) and Taylor seems like a kid who still isn’t quite sure what he is offensively and he works hard on defense, but I’m not sure his impact there is great either. Bell is playing because he makes shots at times and Taylor because he has some versatility and typically limits mistakes. That’s ok, but I do like the play-making (defensively in particular) of cope and Cuffe and cope may be our best rebounder. Maybe by a wide margin.

 

[Cheriehoop]

So, the assists from JT are really good, and better ball movement is a big need. Last night showed us what that could be loke.

And this is going to blow some people's minds, but... when Taylor passes to Bell it leads to more assists because Bell is ready to make a bucket (which happens a lot), and when Bell passes to Taylor it leads to fewer assists because Taylor isn't always ready to shoot and the ball ends up sticking with him for a second.

TL;DR - Taylor benefits from passing to our two best scorers. Our two best scorers don't have the same benefit.

He could just start chucking and there’d be no assist to keep track of. In fact tell him to stop rebounding, maybe a teammate would get some of them.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

He could just start chucking and there’d be no assist to keep track of. In fact tell him to stop rebounding, maybe a teammate would get some of them.

It's very generous of Bell to leave the rebounds for his teammates.

No need to be a stat hog.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He does commit a bunch of fouls and he can’t shoot. I don’t know. I like the energy and ability to make things happen at times. I watch the game and find myself going ‘Taylor played 31 minutes?!? Huh.’

I’m not sure the answer is 31 mins of Copeland and Cuffe, but I think the reality of Bell is that he is exclusively a shooter (he’s working harder on defense, but … it’s still not awesome) and Taylor seems like a kid who still isn’t quite sure what he is offensively and he works hard on defense, but I’m not sure his impact there is great either. Bell is playing because he makes shots at times and Taylor because he has some versatility and typically limits mistakes. That’s ok, but I do like the play-making (defensively in particular) of cope and Cuffe and cope may be our best rebounder. Maybe by a wide margin.

Agree about copes rebounding. Too many mistakes come with those though,

 

[billsin01]

Agree about copes rebounding. Too many mistakes come with those though,

Yeah, like the energy and rebounding. Our tempo picks up when he’s in the game. But Taylor is clearly more consistent and does a solid job of limiting mistakes.

 

[SUfanNC]

I need to check the lineups, but I would like to see Judah Bell Copeland Brown and McLeod. Not sure that’s been out there much.

ETA: as suspected, it hasn't happened yet. These are the closest and it was for very few minutes:

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I feel that will be a line up for a unc or a team that has a big team that rebounds