Why Red’s “line change” sub pattern is killing this team

[HyattsCuse]

Agree. Also think if we had any guys - who have played their whole life - have any feel for how to play we wouldn't have 18 turnovers, a majority of which stem from lack of game sense.
Red is our biggest problem no doubt. I'm just not seeing all this high end skill level and basketball talent that others are. We don't know how to play the game.

I hear you. A lot of decision making that leads to careless turnovers. Some of the passes yesterday were lazy. Players definitely need to take some of the responsibility for that.

But the same things happened last year. Last year I thought we just had low IQ players that lacked game sense, but it’s happening again this year with a whole new team (JJ being the only returnee, not counting Donnie because he was hurt last year so hardly played).

So is it lack of game sense or confusion on what to do on the court due to the coaching problem? This year, I am leaning heavily to the latter. I can’t believe our guys are this clueless playing basketball.

 

[gmoney44]

The hockey subbing is crazy but to Reds defense yesterday, his closing lineup lost the game. We had the lead, they had to close it out. Kyle gets overpowered on a board, Donnie turns it over and gets blocked at the rim, George does his insanity. Subbing stinks but our closers blew yesterday's game.

Basketball is a game of runs and red is a run killer for us and a run extender for the opponent. The game shouldn’t have been that close to begin with.

Red is the master at keeping opponents in the game that we should crush. If you let garbage teams hang around you’re going to lose some of them.

 

[jimb]

Red CLEARLY has no sense on how or when to substitute during the game. He seems to have defaulted to some predetermined “line change” sub pattern similar to hockey. He’ll make a wholesale change of 3 or 4 players at the same time, usually at predetermined times in the half. This is absolutely the worst thing he can do. There’s no good outcome from this sub pattern. You either disrupt the flow of a team playing well, and hope the subs maintain that flow. Typically, when we’re playing well this ends up with a drop off in play.

The other end of the coin is waiting too long if the team or players are playing poorly. There’s no ability sub out a bad performing player for another when he sticks to his line change.

He seems to stick to the line change sub patterns for the first 12 minutes of each half. My assumption is that he thinks this is keeping his best players on the floor together for the maximum amount of time while also maximizing their “freshness” (minimum fatigue).

This substitution strategy clearly isn’t working. It tanked today’s game after we got up 9 in the 2nd half. It lead to games being closer than they should after we got up big (Pitt). It will lead to far more losses than wins.

Why he doesn’t make individual substitutions based on who is playing well and who is not is beyond me. It’s like he’s trying to come up with his own method of substitution. It’s an utter failure.

There’s a ton of other things Red is bad at, but he’s astronomically bad at substitutions.

It's insane.. (Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results).

 

[Scooch]

Mike asked him specifically about this stretch of the first half. Red's answer was mind-boggling. He essentially said he would do it again because "the way we play you we can't play that way for 40 minutes." It was like he didn't understand the premise of the question, which was you had a lead, you took your players out, and you lost the lead instead of adding to it.

It's a preposterous answer because we don't play THAT intense of a defense. SU sure as heck isn't running 40 minutes of hell. Plus, our no-motion offense isn't particularly taxing for 3 or 4 of our guys every time down the floor.

There really seems to be a disconnect between the way Autry wants to play and the way we actually do. If he really thinks our guys are too gassed 8 minutes into the first half because of the way we play D, he's beyond hope.

 

[Cheriehoop]

It shouldn’t matter what we fans think of the substitution pattern, analytics should be telling the staff what is working and what isn’t. It also should be telling them what each player’s strengths and weaknesses are. It’s obvious that the 2nd line doesn’t play together well enough to keep a lead that the starters have, less increase it. There certainly has been enough games, data points to determine when a starter is struggling, what player off the bench should be the best replacement. I would also think that besides analytics all the practices would give the staff the experience and knowledge necessary also. If a starting player is struggling why substitute for almost the entire team or alternately just ignore it ? If starters are doing well, why substitute just for the sake of substituting? What message is that giving to the starters and the bench? Is there anyone who can play the key point guard position effectively if Nait George is struggling, in foul trouble, or injured? Are all the players being conditioned in practice to play hard defensively and offensively for 40 minutes? LGO!

 

[OrlandoCuse]

It shouldn’t matter what we fans think of the substitution pattern, analytics should be telling the staff what is working and what isn’t. It also should be telling them what each player’s strengths and weaknesses are. It’s obvious that the 2nd line doesn’t play together well enough to keep a lead that the starters have, less increase it. There certainly has been enough games, data points to determine when a starter is struggling what player off the bench should be the best replacement. I would also think that besides analytics all the practices would give the staff the experience and knowledge necessary also. If a starting player is struggling why substitute for almost the entire team or alternately just ignore it ? If starters are doing well, why substitute just for the sake of substituting? What message is that giving to the starters and the bench? Is there anyone who can play the key point guard position effectively if Nait George is struggling, in foul trouble, or injured? Are all the players being conditioned in practice to play hard defensively and offensively for 40 minutes? LGO!

There’s a chart floating around called “the kill shot” that shows college bball teams in a scatter plot. We’re grouped in with the “streakiest” category.

 

[Consigliere]

He basically is doing NBA style subbing in the first half. It’s pre planned that Kingz, JJ or Nait and Kyle are going to sit the first dead ball after the under 16. The second half he tends to adjust by who’s playing well. That said those pre planned subs squashed all momentum we had yesterday.

There is absolutely a rationale for it. And Syracuse added advanced biometric monitoring to analyze when a player’s performance is likely to degrade from fatigue and help plan minutes. It also allows the key bench players to get on the court early to help them be ready to contribute later in the game. But doing it all at once with three key starters, especially when those starters are playing well, is tough to defend. And there should be enough evidence of that by this point to make a necessary adjustment.